Ben Simmons Containment Thread Take 3

[Buzzard]

Simmons is one of my favorite non Hawk players. I would love to see him at PF paired up with Trae. Will that be Atlanta's big consolidation move? Probably not; but I do think the Hawks are one of the few teams that can carry Simmons weak shooting.

Offensive Trae and Defensive Simmons paired up would probably scare the heck out of Morey and Doc. I doubt seriously the Hawks are a team they want to send Simmons to.

[Sportfan73]

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[The Sebastian Express]

PDX TRADES - CJ McCollum, CJ Elleby, 2024 FRP, 2026 FRP
PDX RECEIVES - Ben Simmons

PHI TRADES - Ben Simmons, Tyrese Maxey
PHI RECEIVES - CJ McCollum, Dejounte Murray

SAS TRADES - Dejounte Murray
SAS RECEIVES - Tyrese Maxey, CJ Elleby, 2024 FRP, 2026 FRP

PDX also sends 1.7M to SAS to cover the Elleby cut.

PHI ROTATION
G - Dejounte Murray / Seth Curry / Jaden Springer
G - CJ McCollum / Shake Milton / Furkan Korkmaz
F - Danny Green / Mattisse Thybulle / Furkan Korkmaz
F - Tobias Harris / Georges Niang / Paul Reed
C - Joel Embiid / Andre Drummond / Charles Bassey

Who is Murray's agent? Oh... it's also Rich Paul. That could throw a wrench into things.

And do the Blazers really take in Simmons as Rich Paul and LBJ"s trojan horse? No secret that LeBron would like to play with Dame, or get him to a different market. Would Blazers front office really give up so much value to let the Rich Paul circus hijack their team and/or star player?

Same goes for any team interested in trading for Simmons or any high-profile Rich Paul client. The team has to ask-- "Is this worth having my organization infiltrated by the snakes?"

Rich Paul is Jusuf Nurkic's agent. It's not an issue.

[Sportfan73]

PDX TRADES - CJ McCollum, CJ Elleby, 2024 FRP, 2026 FRP
PDX RECEIVES - Ben Simmons

PHI TRADES - Ben Simmons, Tyrese Maxey
PHI RECEIVES - CJ McCollum, Dejounte Murray

SAS TRADES - Dejounte Murray
SAS RECEIVES - Tyrese Maxey, CJ Elleby, 2024 FRP, 2026 FRP

PDX also sends 1.7M to SAS to cover the Elleby cut.

PHI ROTATION
G - Dejounte Murray / Seth Curry / Jaden Springer
G - CJ McCollum / Shake Milton / Furkan Korkmaz
F - Danny Green / Mattisse Thybulle / Furkan Korkmaz
F - Tobias Harris / Georges Niang / Paul Reed
C - Joel Embiid / Andre Drummond / Charles Bassey

Who is Murray's agent? Oh... it's also Rich Paul. That could throw a wrench into things.

And do the Blazers really take in Simmons as Rich Paul and LBJ"s trojan horse? No secret that LeBron would like to play with Dame, or get him to a different market. Would Blazers front office really give up so much value to let the Rich Paul circus hijack their team and/or star player?

Same goes for any team interested in trading for Simmons or any high-profile Rich Paul client. The team has to ask-- "Is this worth having my organization infiltrated by the snakes?"

Rich Paul is Jusuf Nurkic's agent. It's not an issue.

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[Commodor]

They are 100 percent not bidding against those teams. That report was already confirmed as false

Which report?

Because GSW’s stance of generally not wanting Simmons has been reported multiple times including in the last 24 hours.

And LAL & LAC’s stance of not having assets hasn’t changed.

So please explain what has changed.

[Sportfan73]

They are 100 percent not bidding against those teams. That report was already confirmed as false

Which report?

Because GSW’s stance of generally not wanting Simmons has been reported multiple times including in the last 24 hours.

And LAL & LAC’s stance of not having assets hasn’t changed.

So please explain what has changed.

Ben is open to going anywhere that’s not Philly is literally what Chris Broussard said today

[Commodor]

They are 100 percent not bidding against those teams. That report was already confirmed as false

Which report?

Because GSW’s stance of generally not wanting Simmons has been reported multiple times including in the last 24 hours.

And LAL & LAC’s stance of not having assets hasn’t changed.

So please explain what has changed.

Ben is open to going anywhere that’s not Philly is literally what Chris Broussard said today

Let me guess… his next comment was something along the lines of NYK sends out Knox and a couple protected 1sts? Broussards a hack.

Ben’s a diva.

He’s going to a contender or CA.

It’s too late in the off-season for most teams to swing a deal for his salary.

Again, GSW may not win but the offer is Wiggins, 22’ 1st, and maybe Kuminga. Probably a pick swap.

I’ve said I don’t think Simmons is going to GSW. They just don’t value him next to Draymond.

Thinking they’ll offer wiseman, moody, Kuminga, multiple firsts and Wiggins (who they view as a positive asset) is not reality.

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This sort of implies bringing Simmons to Portland to play with Lillard. I'm good with the idea, but 76ers fans don't seem to like anything that Portland has outside of Dame. At this point, I'm also not sure that Morey would trade Simmons to Portland without getting Lillard back. Feels like too much egg on his face to settle for CJ McCollum+stuff.

Granted... with the lowball offers I've seen in this thread lately. CJ+RoCo+young stuff/picks seems like a more interesting package than the Heild and stuff, or the Beasley+picks packages. I think 1a for the 76ers should probably be Fox, but it doesn't look like that's happening.

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This sort of implies bringing Simmons to Portland to play with Lillard. I'm good with the idea, but 76ers fans don't seem to like anything that Portland has outside of Dame. At this point, I'm also not sure that Morey would trade Simmons to Portland without getting Lillard back. Feels like too much egg on his face to settle for CJ McCollum+stuff.

I was implying the same. At some point maybe morey decides he likes his young guys enough that it’s more worth it to get Cj+++ and keep them then to MAYBE at best get Dame if he’s available

[Roy The Natural]

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This sort of implies bringing Simmons to Portland to play with Lillard. I'm good with the idea, but 76ers fans don't seem to like anything that Portland has outside of Dame. At this point, I'm also not sure that Morey would trade Simmons to Portland without getting Lillard back. Feels like too much egg on his face to settle for CJ McCollum+stuff.

I was implying the same. At some point maybe morey decides he likes his young guys enough that it’s more worth it to get Cj+++ and keep them then to MAYBE at best get Dame if he’s available

Yea. It's hard to sift through the bullcrap of reports and fan lowball offers. But I do think that McCollum+RoCo+picks should be more appealing to the 76ers than the Beasley+stuff+picks or Hield+stuff+picks offers I'm seeing in this thread. However, Fox should probably be 1a for the 76ers. That just doesn't seem like it's on the table though. I don't think a Portland offer built around CJ+RoCo is "bad"... I think it makes the 76ers better and probably makes Portland better as well... However, It's hard to see Morey accepting it after all the Lillard talk. Though I don't think a Lillard trade built around Simmons and stuff was ever really potentially on the table.

It is interesting though that when I go into the 76ers forums there's a bunch of members there who just can't for the life of them escape "the process" mindset. The amount of posters who want SUPER YOUNG picks and prospects for Simmons baffles me. The 76ers just extended Embiid.... trying to rebuild again is a recipe for utter disaster. There's a lot of dubious analysis going on about trading Simmons for a package that can be used to acquire Lillard later, but if you trade Simmons to GSW for example and Kaminga sucks all season... and Wiseman doesn't take a step forward... you're stuck with an utter disaster, a bunch of assets that massively depreciated and are even further from getting an all-star level player that fits better to replace Simmons.

[Sportfan73]

This sort of implies bringing Simmons to Portland to play with Lillard. I'm good with the idea, but 76ers fans don't seem to like anything that Portland has outside of Dame. At this point, I'm also not sure that Morey would trade Simmons to Portland without getting Lillard back. Feels like too much egg on his face to settle for CJ McCollum+stuff.

I was implying the same. At some point maybe morey decides he likes his young guys enough that it’s more worth it to get Cj+++ and keep them then to MAYBE at best get Dame if he’s available

Yea. It's hard to sift through the bullcrap of reports and fan lowball offers. But I do think that McCollum+RoCo+picks should be more appealing to the 76ers than the Beasley+stuff+picks or Hield+stuff+picks offers I'm seeing in this thread. However, Fox should probably be 1a for the 76ers. That just doesn't seem like it's on the table though. I don't think a Portland offer built around CJ+RoCo is "bad"... I think it makes the 76ers better and probably makes Portland better as well... However, It's hard to see Morey accepting it after all the Lillard talk. Though I don't think a Lillard trade built around Simmons and stuff was ever really potentially on the table.

It is interesting though that when I go into the 76ers forums there's a bunch of members there who just can't for the life of them escape "the process" mindset. The amount of posters who want SUPER YOUNG picks and prospects for Simmons baffles me. The 76ers just extended Embiid.... trying to rebuild again is a recipe for utter disaster. There's a lot of dubious analysis going on about trading Simmons for a package that can be used to acquire Lillard later, but if you trade Simmons to GSW for example and Kaminga sucks all season... and Wiseman doesn't take a step forward... you're stuck with an utter disaster, a bunch of assets that massively depreciated and are even further from getting an all-star level player that fits better to replace Simmons.

I think they can commit to their own young guys (Maxey, Thybulle, ect), add say CJ and roco, maybe get a first or two? As well and set themselves up well for future moves. Like say they get Portland’s 25 first unprotected so that they can move all their picks again, and someone like Lavine comes available. An offer like green(expiring), Curry(great contract), Maxey, Thybulle, and 3-4 firsts and swaps or something isn’t any less appealing than Simmons. Then your adding to a big 3 of CJ/Tobi/Embiid that has like top 3 offense in tge league potential

[Roy The Natural]

I was implying the same. At some point maybe morey decides he likes his young guys enough that it’s more worth it to get Cj+++ and keep them then to MAYBE at best get Dame if he’s available

Yea. It's hard to sift through the bullcrap of reports and fan lowball offers. But I do think that McCollum+RoCo+picks should be more appealing to the 76ers than the Beasley+stuff+picks or Hield+stuff+picks offers I'm seeing in this thread. However, Fox should probably be 1a for the 76ers. That just doesn't seem like it's on the table though. I don't think a Portland offer built around CJ+RoCo is "bad"... I think it makes the 76ers better and probably makes Portland better as well... However, It's hard to see Morey accepting it after all the Lillard talk. Though I don't think a Lillard trade built around Simmons and stuff was ever really potentially on the table.

It is interesting though that when I go into the 76ers forums there's a bunch of members there who just can't for the life of them escape "the process" mindset. The amount of posters who want SUPER YOUNG picks and prospects for Simmons baffles me. The 76ers just extended Embiid.... trying to rebuild again is a recipe for utter disaster. There's a lot of dubious analysis going on about trading Simmons for a package that can be used to acquire Lillard later, but if you trade Simmons to GSW for example and Kaminga sucks all season... and Wiseman doesn't take a step forward... you're stuck with an utter disaster, a bunch of assets that massively depreciated and are even further from getting an all-star level player that fits better to replace Simmons.

I think they can commit to their own young guys (Maxey, Thybulle, ect), add say CJ and roco, maybe get a first or two? As well and set themselves up well for future moves. Like say they get Portland’s 25 first unprotected so that they can move all their picks again, and someone like Lavine comes available. An offer like green(expiring), Curry(great contract), Maxey, Thybulle, and 3-4 firsts and swaps or something isn’t any less appealing than Simmons. Then your adding to a big 3 of CJ/Tobi/Embiid that has like top 3 offense in tge league potential

Yea I'd agree that getting an established player who's either an all-star or a borderline all-star is a must for the 76ers. Covington is still one of the most valuable roleplayers in the league which also helps out. He'd be a fantastic fit next to Embiid. Picks allow the 76ers freedom to move picks again and round out the team. I still think, against the grain of thought of many others, that CJ will do something like 26-4-7 in Philadelphia. He'll make the all-star game, and people will be shocked at how good he is of a scorer when getting more primary pick and roll and ballhandling duties. His defense will likely not even be a huge issue when played at the 1 and surrounded by elite defenders.

[Sportfan73]

Yea. It's hard to sift through the bullcrap of reports and fan lowball offers. But I do think that McCollum+RoCo+picks should be more appealing to the 76ers than the Beasley+stuff+picks or Hield+stuff+picks offers I'm seeing in this thread. However, Fox should probably be 1a for the 76ers. That just doesn't seem like it's on the table though. I don't think a Portland offer built around CJ+RoCo is "bad"... I think it makes the 76ers better and probably makes Portland better as well... However, It's hard to see Morey accepting it after all the Lillard talk. Though I don't think a Lillard trade built around Simmons and stuff was ever really potentially on the table.

It is interesting though that when I go into the 76ers forums there's a bunch of members there who just can't for the life of them escape "the process" mindset. The amount of posters who want SUPER YOUNG picks and prospects for Simmons baffles me. The 76ers just extended Embiid.... trying to rebuild again is a recipe for utter disaster. There's a lot of dubious analysis going on about trading Simmons for a package that can be used to acquire Lillard later, but if you trade Simmons to GSW for example and Kaminga sucks all season... and Wiseman doesn't take a step forward... you're stuck with an utter disaster, a bunch of assets that massively depreciated and are even further from getting an all-star level player that fits better to replace Simmons.

I think they can commit to their own young guys (Maxey, Thybulle, ect), add say CJ and roco, maybe get a first or two? As well and set themselves up well for future moves. Like say they get Portland’s 25 first unprotected so that they can move all their picks again, and someone like Lavine comes available. An offer like green(expiring), Curry(great contract), Maxey, Thybulle, and 3-4 firsts and swaps or something isn’t any less appealing than Simmons. Then your adding to a big 3 of CJ/Tobi/Embiid that has like top 3 offense in tge league potential

Yea I'd agree that getting an established player who's either an all-star or a borderline all-star is a must for the 76ers. Covington is still one of the most valuable roleplayers in the league which also helps out. He'd be a fantastic fit next to Embiid. Picks allow the 76ers freedom to move picks again and round out the team. I still think, against the grain of thought of many others, that CJ will do something like 26-4-7 in Philadelphia. He'll make the all-star game, and people will be shocked at how good he is of a scorer when getting more primary pick and roll and ballhandling duties. His defense will likely not even be a huge issue when played at the 1 and surrounded by elite defenders.

I get nervous at everyone wanting to bank on getting picks back for Ben as the main return. Like okc can beat everyone’s pick offers and other teams have great of that too. I’ve really warmed up to the idea and I think sending Ben to Portland and making them a contender is also playing nice with Rich Paul and very helpful in the long term as well.

[Devilanche]

Like could you imagine Rosas walking into the owner's office and saying, hey I really want to tie up all of our future draft picks to land Ben Simmons because I think if everything falls right we could be the No. 5 seed in the West!

You aren’t that naive are you? You really think Rosas, a) believes that himself, or b) would actually be his pitch to management?

Just like in Wiggins trade, he thinks and sells his management it will be 15+, lotto is out of the realm of reality, he thinks and pitches. Oops, how did that turn out for him last year (and how well did that reward Warriors taking that bet)?

Reality is different, and Morey is smart enough to see that. Wolves would have a ton of growing pains. Simmons is new, Towns and Russell have played like 3 games together, Edwards is a raw sophomore. Doesn’t scream KD/Harden/Irving confidence now does it? Also not close to Giannis/Middleton/Holiday? Or Kawhi/George?

This is the Wolves organization we are talking about. And the 3 out of 4 of the big 4 hasn’t won a thing. Morey would be smart to take that bet.

That’s still a lot of talent there . Can’t blame philly fans for wanting at least 1 of them as return .

[Village Idiot]

PDX TRADES - CJ McCollum, CJ Elleby, 2024 FRP, 2026 FRP
PDX RECEIVES - Ben Simmons

PHI TRADES - Ben Simmons, Tyrese Maxey
PHI RECEIVES - CJ McCollum, Dejounte Murray

SAS TRADES - Dejounte Murray
SAS RECEIVES - Tyrese Maxey, CJ Elleby, 2024 FRP, 2026 FRP

PDX also sends 1.7M to SAS to cover the Elleby cut.

PHI ROTATION
G - Dejounte Murray / Seth Curry / Jaden Springer
G - CJ McCollum / Shake Milton / Furkan Korkmaz
F - Danny Green / Mattisse Thybulle / Furkan Korkmaz
F - Tobias Harris / Georges Niang / Paul Reed
C - Joel Embiid / Andre Drummond / Charles Bassey

Who is Murray's agent? Oh... it's also Rich Paul. That could throw a wrench into things.

And do the Blazers really take in Simmons as Rich Paul and LBJ"s trojan horse? No secret that LeBron would like to play with Dame, or get him to a different market. Would Blazers front office really give up so much value to let the Rich Paul circus hijack their team and/or star player?

Same goes for any team interested in trading for Simmons or any high-profile Rich Paul client. The team has to ask-- "Is this worth having my organization infiltrated by the snakes?"

Rich Paul is Jusuf Nurkic's agent. It's not an issue.

Portland also signed Ben McLemore, another Klutch client, this off-season. If anything I would guess that was a move Olshey made to ingratiate himself to Paul, not for basketball reasons.

[Village Idiot]

Can Portland even trade a pick? The pick in the Nance trade was lottery protected until 2028 after which it turns into a 2nd, if I recall correctly

[Roy The Natural]

Can Portland even trade a pick? The pick in the Nance trade was lottery protected until 2028 after which it turns into a 2nd, if I recall correctly

True. I guess I thought it was protected for only 2 years. However, I'd argue that considering the protection never lightens, it's likely that Chicago would agree to a lifting of the protection, and that was discussed prior to the trade if Portland finds a deal they like.

[cool93]

This sort of implies bringing Simmons to Portland to play with Lillard. I'm good with the idea, but 76ers fans don't seem to like anything that Portland has outside of Dame. At this point, I'm also not sure that Morey would trade Simmons to Portland without getting Lillard back. Feels like too much egg on his face to settle for CJ McCollum+stuff.

I was implying the same. At some point maybe morey decides he likes his young guys enough that it’s more worth it to get Cj+++ and keep them then to MAYBE at best get Dame if he’s available

Yea. It's hard to sift through the bullcrap of reports and fan lowball offers. But I do think that McCollum+RoCo+picks should be more appealing to the 76ers than the Beasley+stuff+picks or Hield+stuff+picks offers I'm seeing in this thread. However, Fox should probably be 1a for the 76ers. That just doesn't seem like it's on the table though. I don't think a Portland offer built around CJ+RoCo is "bad"... I think it makes the 76ers better and probably makes Portland better as well... However, It's hard to see Morey accepting it after all the Lillard talk. Though I don't think a Lillard trade built around Simmons and stuff was ever really potentially on the table.

It is interesting though that when I go into the 76ers forums there's a bunch of members there who just can't for the life of them escape "the process" mindset. The amount of posters who want SUPER YOUNG picks and prospects for Simmons baffles me. The 76ers just extended Embiid.... trying to rebuild again is a recipe for utter disaster. There's a lot of dubious analysis going on about trading Simmons for a package that can be used to acquire Lillard later, but if you trade Simmons to GSW for example and Kaminga sucks all season... and Wiseman doesn't take a step forward... you're stuck with an utter disaster, a bunch of assets that massively depreciated and are even further from getting an all-star level player that fits better to replace Simmons.

Gsw is a no go, they don't really have anything interesting for Ben. We'll need to take Wiggins ffs, who should come with picks himself.
I personally would prefer fillers from Kings/Wolves + a lot of picks, cause that gives us a very good package of 7-8 picks we'd own + Maxey and Thybulle for the next star.
We surely aren't winning anything with CJ as 2nd best player and he'll be on the wrong side of 30 soon, which is critical for undersized sg.

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[Telfaire]

My new prediction:

Simmons to Sacramento
FVV & Hield to Philly
Mitchell, Maxey & Bagley to Raps

[kalenclayton]

My new prediction:

Simmons to Sacramento
FVV & Hield to Philly
Mitchell, Maxey & Bagley to Raps

I kinda like this for all teams involved. I’m kinda wondering if Toronto needs to add a little to PHI though. FVV is awesome, but I just don’t know if he has this value. It’s close though.