Offers for Kyrie Irving

[hege53190]

Henson, Knight, 2015 unprotected #1, 2017 unprotected #1, cap space

for

Irving, Jack

Does that get it done for Cavs fans

It would have to happen after the season sometime.

Irving
Giannis
Wiggins
Middleton
Sanders

Ersan
Mayo
Jack
Zaza

Could be a solid core. I don't know if I do it as a Bucks fan but I think that package at least has to get the Cavs attention

An absolute no. You aren't offering 1 of your team's 2 best trade chips for Kyrie. Any deal with Milwaukee needs to start with the 2014 1st (no protection) or maybe both Giannis and Henson (plus additional pieces).

LOL....Start with a guaranteed top 4 pick in the 2014 draft for Kyrie Irving. Just because a team has trade chips doesn't mean they should use them. I don't think any GM in the league would trade the bucks pick for Kyrie. The offer should start with a top 4 pick. Wow.

[hege53190]

Henson, Knight, 2015 unprotected #1, 2017 unprotected #1, cap space

for

Irving, Jack

Does that get it done for Cavs fans

It would have to happen after the season sometime.

Irving
Giannis
Wiggins
Middleton
Sanders

Ersan
Mayo
Jack
Zaza

Could be a solid core. I don't know if I do it as a Bucks fan but I think that package at least has to get the Cavs attention

Those 2015 and 2017 first round picks from the Bucks wouldn't be very valuable given that they would be a sure fire playoff team in the East.

The Bucks have only had 1 winning season in the past decade and Kyrie hasn't really been the model of health. A lot can go wrong with a young team especially when their expected leader is unbelievably injury prone. I don't know if I would do that trade because of Kyrie's health concerns. I just figured that would be the type of offer that Cavs fans would need. I was wrong. They expect a top 4 pick this year plus other assets.

[Boarder Patrol]

Henson, Knight, 2015 unprotected #1, 2017 unprotected #1, cap space

for

Irving, Jack

Does that get it done for Cavs fans

It would have to happen after the season sometime.

Irving
Giannis
Wiggins
Middleton
Sanders

Ersan
Mayo
Jack
Zaza

Could be a solid core. I don't know if I do it as a Bucks fan but I think that package at least has to get the Cavs attention

An absolute no. You aren't offering 1 of your team's 2 best trade chips for Kyrie. Any deal with Milwaukee needs to start with the 2014 1st (no protection) or maybe both Giannis and Henson (plus additional pieces).

Where do you honestly rank Kyrie league wide? Because the way I see it he's an average starting PG (i.e 12-18 range). Teams don't give up tons of assets for guys like him, unless they're a small market and want to sell tickets. Still, even then, they wouldn't give up great young assets as they'd naturally think those guys could make them money too. Teams aren't giving up copious assets for an ok PG. Cavs should take this deal and run.

[DowJones]

I'm not sure what you expect. Kyrie is a fantastic player with many years of team control left. He isn't going to be traded for $.70 on the dollar.

[DowJones]

If you think Kyrie Irving is in the bottom half of the starting PG's in this league then don't even post itt. It's that simple.

[Boarder Patrol]

If you think Kyrie Irving is in the bottom half of the starting PG's in this league then don't even post itt. It's that simple.

I said average for a starting point guard. I wouldn't take Kyrie over:

Lowry
Curry
Paul
Dragic
Bledsoe
Thomas
Conley
Parker
Wall
Lawson
Lillard
Westbrook

Meaning he's 13th. So yes, average. Here are some packages I put out there for Kyrie earlier:

Burke
Kanter
2015 Utah 1st (top 6 protected)
Expiring

for

Kyrie
Jack (or bad contract of Cleveland's choice)

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Vucevic
Denver 2014 1st
2 x Orlando 2nd

for

Kyrie

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Michael Kidd-Gilchrist
Zeller
Detroit #1, Portland #1, Charlotte 2014 #1 (if not conveyed to Chicago)
Other prospect(s) not too familiar with what Charlotte has

for

Kyrie
+?

[DowJones]

Like I said, you are better off not posting itt if you think guys like Bledsoe, Lowry, and Dragic are better than Kyrie. Your opinion is fine....but it isn't shared by any Cavalier fan, which leads to you posting offers WAY below what Cleveland fans would accept.

[Boarder Patrol]

Like I said, you are better off not posting itt if you think guys like Bledsoe, Lowry, and Dragic are better than Kyrie. Your opinion is fine....but it isn't shared by any Cavalier fan, which leads to you posting offers WAY below what Cleveland fans would accept.

Bledsoe you could argue either way, I'd actually give it to Kyrie. I forgot about Bledsoe's injury. But what argument would you have for Kyrie over Lowry or Dragic? Both are better passers, defenders and shooters. Kyrie puts up a couple more puts but on shockingly low efficiency.

Cleveland fans seem like they're only going to expect multiple early lottery firsts, A+ young talent, and teams to take their bad salary. I'd temper your expectations a bit if Kyrie is actually going to be dealed. I'm guessing he won't.

[DowJones]

I'm not interested in debating Kyrie Irving vs Kyle Lowry or Goran Dragic.

I never said Cleveland needs multiple lottery firsts, A+ young talent, and salary relief. They need a key re-building piece though.

1. Cleveland has no bad contracts. The worst is Jack but he only has 2 years and $12 million left. (roughly) That contract isn't terrible.

2. Cleveland needs 1 central piece like Favors was to Utah when they traded DWill. They need some young player to start another re-build. Henson is not that. Cody Zeller is not that. Trey Burke/Enes Kanter are not that.

3. We would be MUCH better off talking about a Kyrie trade AFTER the lottery. That way Cleveland knows where they are picking and the hope of the #1 pick is gone for a team looking to obtain Kyrie, making it easier for them to trade whatever lotto pick it is that they have.

Cleveland would start off by looking for a pick in the Top-7 of the 2014 draft. If a pick is closer to the 5, 6, 7 range then more may be required. If it is in the 2 or 3 range, that pick alone might be enough.

My talking point #2 is the most important one. Ask yourself what the main piece is for any Kyrie trade. Adding a few future mid first round picks is ok, but it won't allow anyone to get Kyrie for someone like Henson or Burke.

[Darren]

Calderon and 2 seconds for Irving

[MotownMadness]

Wish we had our pick this year. I would trade anything out side of Drummond for him. I think Kyrie is overrated but Irving and Drummond would be a nice building block for years.

[BossHoggin]

Calderon and 2 seconds for Irving

I know English isn't your first language but re-read this topic.

[Ruckusmh]

I think the Jazz are probably the best partner asset wise, especially if it's after the season where it won't bump them too high for the pick to have value to Cleveland.

[Golabki]

OKC fans... Would you trade us Westbrook? Saves you some immediate money for a year or so.

Serriously doubt OKC would consider this.

Irving is worse, with more injury concerns (probably) and is questionable fit with Durrant.

[mcfly1204]

OKC fans... Would you trade us Westbrook? Saves you some immediate money for a year or so.

Serriously doubt OKC would consider this.

Irving is worse, with more injury concerns (probably) and is questionable fit with Durrant.

More injury concerns? If I am comparing the injury concern of two players, I will take the guy who has not had a knee surgically repaired multiple times. Even the fit comment doesn't make sense, Kyrie is the better shooter, which should only open things up more for Durant.

[Fido]

What about from Utah:

Burke
14 1st unprotected
14 Golden State 1st

and either another first in the future or we can take one of your contracts for RJ, Biedrins, or Marv.

What makes you think that this trade helps Utah in their rebuild? They traded up to get Burke last year and you are already willing to not only trade him but 3 1st round picks including an assumed top 7 pick in this year's draft for another PG? I'd be more okay with it if the Jazz were a PG away from being rebuilt and they wanted to not wait for Burke to develop--but the team isn't. They have a young core they are building around. Think about it for a minute--if Cleveland fans are good with the trade, they would rather have what you are giving away than Irving. So with the Jazz where they are in their rebuild, why would you do that?

Irving is very talented. But his willingness to sleepwalk through a season because he isn't "happy" is a big red flag to me and certainly hurts his value.

[Winglish]

This Jazz fan would do the suggested trade after the season and only if the pick were 4th or lower. Call it 4th-7th pick, GSW pick, future pick, and Burke for Kyrie.

[ZCM93]

Don't see the Cavs trading Irving and if they did it'd take a T4 pick in this draft and future picks. Not trading a 21 year old all star game starter for scraps. Much easier to just fire Grant, Brown and trade Waiters.

[Golabki]

Kyrie's rookie season was the highest PER of any teenager EVER in the NBA.

The other guys in the top 5 were -
Kobe, LBJ, Melo, Howard (since then Davis took the #1 spot)

So that's pretty good company... he looked untradable in the best sense of the word.

Since then he has struggled with health and hasn't gotten much better and his stock has dropped. But, in fairness to him, he's still very impressive for his age and has been saddled with a bad franchise.

His value is still huge. If I had to put money on the PG, other Chris Paul, most likely to be a top 5 player in the NBA, it would be Irving, although it's a long shot.

His trade value is also still high because you have RFA control over him. So, in a vacum, I think you've still got to consider him a huge value that probably takes two blue chippers... like and unprotected pick from a high lotto team in the 2014 draft + a really good young player still on rookie scale.

But if he's pressuring his way out of Cleveland, he's probably going to give a short list of teams he'd be happy with and it would be hard to get full value out of other teams. If he wants to go to LA or NY and no where else, he could make it pretty hard for Cleveland to get value.

[N.O.R.E.]

What about something based around the following:

Magic get: Kyrie, Jarrett Jack, Wiz 1st via PHO
Suns get: Deng + Jameer Nelson (to fill in for Bledsoe)
Cavs get: Oladipo, '14 Magic 1st (top 1 protected, if land #1, Cavs get Wiz 1st via PHO and 2015 Magic 1st, Mo Harkless, Okafor