Woj: Indy/Boston/PG

[patman52]

I've been defending Ainge for way too long, I give up. The timing is just to perfect, the guys been floating these names to the media for way too long, and when somone finally becomes available for an affordable price it's on to the next name. I'm a bit convinced that he using the "Tatum was our guy" narrative to shield a bit of the possible backlash if Tatum doesn't end up best in the draft class...I guess I'm still a bit upset he passed on Fultz.

What is a price you would of been comfortable paying for Butler?

People don't seem to understand that by trading for Butler they pushed them selves away from the table as far as FA goes.
OK you get Butler for Zeller, Crowder and #3 to make the money work. How do you a play now for either George or Hayward. Butler does not get you closer to beating the cavs if you are giving up crowder.

[BleedGreen1989]

I've been defending Ainge for way too long, I give up. The timing is just to perfect, the guys been floating these names to the media for way too long, and when somone finally becomes available for an affordable price it's on to the next name. I'm a bit convinced that he using the "Tatum was our guy" narrative to shield a bit of the possible backlash if Tatum doesn't end up best in the draft class...I guess I'm still a bit upset he passed on Fultz.

What is a price you would of been comfortable paying for Butler?

People don't seem to understand that by trading for Butler they pushed them selves away from the table as far as FA goes.
OK you get Butler for Zeller, Crowder and #3 to make the money work. How do you a play now for either George or Hayward. Butler does not get you closer to beating the cavs if you are giving up crowder.

I totally understand it.

I must of misunderstood your stance. I thought you were advocating for Ainge to beat that offer.

[Wizop]

I think Tatum will be traded for PG. Jaylen Brown is gonna be a baller and he is also an SF. So would he need to slide to the 2 guard if Cs keep Tatum? I mean with Crowder and possibly Hayward coming I don't know where Tatum is gonna find the minutes. He is still a very sought out player.

I don't see that happening. Were it on the table, Celts could have sent pick to Indy before the draft. They didn't. As a pacer fan, I've moved on and want 2018 picks from Celts now. If Ainge won't let those assets go, I'm calling the Lakers.

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[Green_teamer]

I think Tatum will be traded for PG. Jaylen Brown is gonna be a baller and he is also an SF. So would he need to slide to the 2 guard if Cs keep Tatum? I mean with Crowder and possibly Hayward coming I don't know where Tatum is gonna find the minutes. He is still a very sought out player.

I don't see that happening. Were it on the table, Celts could have sent pick to Indy before the draft. They didn't. As a pacer fan, I've moved on and want 2018 picks from Celts now. If Ainge won't let those assets go, I'm calling the Lakers.

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If this deal ends up going down I think you guys will get Bradley Crowder Smart with that Lakers pick/sac/Philly. Maybe a couple of other late 1sts too but that'll be the framework.

but yeah like you Id be shocked if Brown Tatum or Brooklyn 18 were part of the trade. But either way that's a much better Package than what I've seen reported from other teams

[pacers33granger]

If this deal ends up going down I think you guys will get Bradley Crowder Smart with that Lakers pick/sac/Philly. Maybe a couple of other late 1sts too but that'll be the framework.

but yeah like you Id be shocked if Brown Tatum or Brooklyn 18 were part of the trade. But either way that's a much better Package than what I've seen reported from other teams

Just to be clear are you saying all of Bradley/Crowder/Smart because I'm not sure Boston does all three plus picks. We'd also have to route some of them elsewhere as we're low on roster spots and Crowder/Bradley aren't rebuilding pieces.

[Green_teamer]

If this deal ends up going down I think you guys will get Bradley Crowder Smart with that Lakers pick/sac/Philly. Maybe a couple of other late 1sts too but that'll be the framework.

but yeah like you Id be shocked if Brown Tatum or Brooklyn 18 were part of the trade. But either way that's a much better Package than what I've seen reported from other teams

Just to be clear are you saying all of Bradley/Crowder/Smart because I'm not sure Boston does all three plus picks. We'd also have to route some of them elsewhere as we're low on roster spots and Crowder/Bradley aren't rebuilding pieces.

Wed have to give up At the very least Bradley and Crowder with another contract like Smart or Rozier or something.

They have to be included so we still have Max space for Heyward. But yeah I'd assume you'd trade them away for picks or maybe they could be dealt elsewhere as part of a 3 team trade or something but to match salaries they have to be there

[pacers33granger]

If this deal ends up going down I think you guys will get Bradley Crowder Smart with that Lakers pick/sac/Philly. Maybe a couple of other late 1sts too but that'll be the framework.

but yeah like you Id be shocked if Brown Tatum or Brooklyn 18 were part of the trade. But either way that's a much better Package than what I've seen reported from other teams

Just to be clear are you saying all of Bradley/Crowder/Smart because I'm not sure Boston does all three plus picks. We'd also have to route some of them elsewhere as we're low on roster spots and Crowder/Bradley aren't rebuilding pieces.

Wed have to give up At the very least Bradley and Crowder with another contract like Smart or Rozier or something.

They have to be included so we still have Max space for Heyward. But yeah I'd assume you'd trade them away for picks or maybe they could be dealt elsewhere as part of a 3 team trade or something but to match salaries they have to be there

Understood. I'd personally keep Smart, still have hopes for his offense and he's young enough to fit. Would seem best for you guys to have the other be Bradley since he's expiring.

[Green_teamer]

Just to be clear are you saying all of Bradley/Crowder/Smart because I'm not sure Boston does all three plus picks. We'd also have to route some of them elsewhere as we're low on roster spots and Crowder/Bradley aren't rebuilding pieces.

Wed have to give up At the very least Bradley and Crowder with another contract like Smart or Rozier or something.

They have to be included so we still have Max space for Heyward. But yeah I'd assume you'd trade them away for picks or maybe they could be dealt elsewhere as part of a 3 team trade or something but to match salaries they have to be there

Understood. I'd personally keep Smart, still have hopes for his offense and he's young enough to fit. Would seem best for you guys to have the other be Bradley since he's expiring.

Yeah basically to get Heyward and George the team has to be gutted except IT Hortford and Brown and Tatum. We don't have any bad contracts on our team..Ideally wed keep smart but i don't think he's worth getting in the way of getting George/Heyward if he has to be dealt too to make it work.

[basketballwacko2]

I still don't know how much that increases his value cause by all accounts he'd only agree to an extension with us.

The idea from the reports is that he wants to play with Hayward, if boston was not willing to make a good offer then Indiana could treat them like every other team dealing george to the Cavs, Spurs, clippers or some one else willing to rent him.

It's time for Celtics fans and the management to consolidate assets, by my count they have LAL 2018, Brooklyn 2018, their own 2018, their own 2019, Clippers 2019 and Griz 2019, and I'm assuming a bunch of 2nds. Plus players stashed in Europe.

The current players there's IT, Bradley, Smart, Brown, Crowder, Horford, Tatum, Olynyk, Rozier, Amir Johnson, Jerebko and Zeller. And assorted minor players.

That group is not getting past the Cavs or Warriors. They are not garbage by any stroke of the imagination, but not good enough to advance and Washington is right behind them.

Adding Hayward in FA would be a huge step in the right direction and if Paul George did want to sign a 3 yr extension and play for the Celtics the new team of IT, Smart, Brown Tatum, George, Horford, Hayward looks a lot more formidable.

The assumption being you give Bradley, Crowder and some assortment of draft picks to get George once Hayward is signed.

The lal/sac/Phi pick will absolutely involved but I guarantee you that Tatum Brooklyn 18 and a Jaylen Brown aren't involved..

Bradley Crowder Rozier lal/sac/Phi bos 18 mephis pick clipper pick.

I doubt any other team would offer even close to that. No need for a Brooklyn pick involved. It does give them a good chance at a high lottery pick though which they need

When you say LAL/sac/phi are you speaking of the LAL pick that has a protection 2-5, if not in that range it then becomes the Sac 2019 unprotected correct? I'm just not sure exactly what you mean by the part I put in bold. is the Offer: Bradley, Crowder, and Rozier plus the 2018 LAL protected pick, a 2018 boston pick and the 2019 memphis and 2019 Clippers pick? If so that is 4 #1 picks?

That would be a great offer better than anyone could match.

[Green_teamer]

The idea from the reports is that he wants to play with Hayward, if boston was not willing to make a good offer then Indiana could treat them like every other team dealing george to the Cavs, Spurs, clippers or some one else willing to rent him.

It's time for Celtics fans and the management to consolidate assets, by my count they have LAL 2018, Brooklyn 2018, their own 2018, their own 2019, Clippers 2019 and Griz 2019, and I'm assuming a bunch of 2nds. Plus players stashed in Europe.

The current players there's IT, Bradley, Smart, Brown, Crowder, Horford, Tatum, Olynyk, Rozier, Amir Johnson, Jerebko and Zeller. And assorted minor players.

That group is not getting past the Cavs or Warriors. They are not garbage by any stroke of the imagination, but not good enough to advance and Washington is right behind them.

Adding Hayward in FA would be a huge step in the right direction and if Paul George did want to sign a 3 yr extension and play for the Celtics the new team of IT, Smart, Brown Tatum, George, Horford, Hayward looks a lot more formidable.

The assumption being you give Bradley, Crowder and some assortment of draft picks to get George once Hayward is signed.

The lal/sac/Phi pick will absolutely involved but I guarantee you that Tatum Brooklyn 18 and a Jaylen Brown aren't involved..

Bradley Crowder Rozier lal/sac/Phi bos 18 mephis pick clipper pick.

I doubt any other team would offer even close to that. No need for a Brooklyn pick involved. It does give them a good chance at a high lottery pick though which they need

When you say LAL/sac/phi are you speaking of the LAL pick that has a protection 2-5, if not in that range it then becomes the Sac 2019 unprotected correct? I'm just not sure exactly what you mean by the part I put in bold. is the Offer: Bradley, Crowder, and Rozier plus the 2018 LAL protected pick, a 2018 boston pick and the 2019 memphis and 2019 Clippers pick? If so that is 4 #1 picks?

That would be a great offer better than anyone could match.

yes. 1 high first 3 late 1sts and Bradley Crowder rozier [or smart] and exactly I don't think anyone beats that offer.

weD have It/Smart/George/Heyward/Hortford
With Brown Tatum Zizic Yabusele and Nader coming off the bench with Brooklyn 18 still coming in the next year. It's a win/win for all involved. Well as far as a win win as the Pacers can get right now

[Wizop]

I think Tatum will be traded for PG.

I don't see that happening. Were it on the table, Celts could have sent pick to Indy before the draft. They didn't. As a pacer fan, I've moved on and want 2018 picks from Celts now.

If this deal ends up going down I think you guys will get Bradley Crowder Smart with that Lakers pick/sac/Philly. Maybe a couple of other late 1sts too but that'll be the framework.

but yeah like you Id be shocked if Brown Tatum or Brooklyn 18 were part of the trade. But either way that's a much better Package than what I've seen reported from other teams

Pacers need a wing with George and CJ Miles moving on and you need to match salaries but I don't expect brown or tatum even though I think you could give one up if you get both George and Hayward. I'm holding out for a good pick though and yes it could be the one you just got from Philly rather than Nets pick but a Boston pick isn't enough.

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[basketballwacko2]

The lal/sac/Phi pick will absolutely involved but I guarantee you that Tatum Brooklyn 18 and a Jaylen Brown aren't involved..

Bradley Crowder Rozier lal/sac/Phi bos 18 mephis pick clipper pick.

I doubt any other team would offer even close to that. No need for a Brooklyn pick involved. It does give them a good chance at a high lottery pick though which they need

When you say LAL/sac/phi are you speaking of the LAL pick that has a protection 2-5, if not in that range it then becomes the Sac 2019 unprotected correct? I'm just not sure exactly what you mean by the part I put in bold. is the Offer: Bradley, Crowder, and Rozier plus the 2018 LAL protected pick, a 2018 boston pick and the 2019 memphis and 2019 Clippers pick? If so that is 4 #1 picks?

That would be a great offer better than anyone could match.

yes. 1 high first 3 late 1sts and Bradley Crowder rozier [or smart] and exactly I don't think anyone beats that offer.

weD have It/Smart/George/Heyward/Hortford
With Brown Tatum Zizic Yabusele and Nader coming off the bench with Brooklyn 18 still coming in the next year. It's a win/win for all involved. Well as far as a win win as the Pacers can get right now

Yeah that would be a great deal for both teams. If the Pacers are gonna rebuild they'd have multiple picks in each of the next 2 drafts and the Celtics would have a formidable team to take on the Cavs.

[Green_teamer]

I don't see that happening. Were it on the table, Celts could have sent pick to Indy before the draft. They didn't. As a pacer fan, I've moved on and want 2018 picks from Celts now. If Ainge won't let those assets go, I'm calling the Lakers.

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If this deal ends up going down I think you guys will get Bradley Crowder Smart with that Lakers pick/sac/Philly. Maybe a couple of other late 1sts too but that'll be the framework.

but yeah like you Id be shocked if Brown Tatum or Brooklyn 18 were part of the trade. But either way that's a much better Package than what I've seen reported from other teams

Pacers need a wing with George and CJ Miles moving on and you need to match salaries but I don't expect brown or tatum even though I think you could give one up if you get both George and Hayward. I'm holding out for a good pick though and yes it could be the one you just got from Philly rather than Nets pick but a Boston pick isn't enough.

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To Pacers:
LA Pick in 2018 if 2-5 if not better of 2019 1st between Sacramento/philly [unless 1 then other one]
Mephis 2019 pick[1-8 protected 1-6 protected in 2020 and unprotected in 2021]
2019 Clipper pick[top 14 protected in 2019 and 2020. If not conveyed it becomes 2 second rounders]
BOS 18
Bradley
Crowder
Smart or Rozier.

Tell me who beats this offer and what their offer is

[basketballwacko2]

Are the Memphis and LAC picks protected currently or are you adding protection? I'd prefer them to not have any protection except maybe top 5.

[Green_teamer]

Are the Memphis and LAC picks protected currently or are you adding protection? I'd prefer them to not have any protection except maybe top 5.

Those are the protections already on them

[basketballwacko2]

Are the Memphis and LAC picks protected currently or are you adding protection? I'd prefer them to not have any protection except maybe top 5.

Those are the protections already on them

It's a fine offer I'll toss some banana's to the chimps running the pacers and get them to make their mark on the deal.

[Golabki]

I don't know that either LaVine or No. 7 is a dime.

7 is the quarter. LaVine and Dunn are dimes.

LaVine averaged almost 19 ppg w/ an effective FG% of .544 last year.

And is among the worst defensive players in the league, and is coming off a major injury.

I'm always relatively low on the "high PPG, low everything else" players (LaVine, Wiggins, Parker, etc).

[Golabki]

7 is the quarter. LaVine and Dunn are dimes.

LaVine averaged almost 19 ppg w/ an effective FG% of .544 last year.

And conceded 25 ppg with an eFG of 61%

No doubt he can score. But so could Kevin Martin. Not as flashy but even more efficient. But until he can do more than that, he's not really a positive impact guy.

agreed

[phraoh]

We really should put a ban on Celtic trade talk until u know they actually make a trade. I really doubt they will ever pull the trigger on one. Celtic fans say well if they got Butler they would be out of free agency, so they are doing that first. What a gigantic pile of u know what! They could of traded like $, and still added Hayward if he wanted to come. Their GM and fans drastically overrate their talent...so its difficult if not impossible to make a trade with them.......since there is only one Billy King and he isn't a GM anymore!

[pacers33granger]

We really should put a ban on Celtic trade talk until u know they actually make a trade. I really doubt they will ever pull the trigger on one. Celtic fans say well if they got Butler they would be out of free agency, so they are doing that first. What a gigantic pile of u know what! They could of traded like $, and still added Hayward if he wanted to come. Their GM and fans drastically overrate their talent...so its difficult if not impossible to make a trade with them.......since there is only one Billy King and he isn't a GM anymore!

Please don't bait. Comments like this serve no legitimate purpose and bog down discussion.