Boston Early Offseason in Review (HW/Slava/bondom34/Mamba4goat)

[bondom34]

Stevens believes in 3 positions. Ball handlers, wings and bigs. The traditional 2-4 is interchangeable. Jaylen Brown started double digit games there last year, and Hayward will play the two as well. Morris, Crowder and Tatum will play both the 3 and 4. Try again.



Quote me where I said this. If you need to make things up to try to make a point, chances are your point is wrong.



Or 3, which is the plan.



Agreed.



Disagreed.



Did you read half of your posts in this thread? Cuz that's pretty much all you do.

Could you show me where I was snarky? I was short, because I was on a phone, but not snarky. And we agree you didn't fix the single massively gaping weakness the team had while adding to depth at a position you don't need. You apparently graded the offseason rather well because I gave a B and you think much higher than me.

I like Stevens but if that's the game plan you're always going to be bad at rebounding because you've got no good rebounders. And AB was a better one than Morris.

Edit: And note my review, where I said I don't even think AB is that good, but hate the fit.

Baynes is a good rebounder, so is Jaylen Brown, so is Terry Rozier

One of those 3 is a new addition, and he shouldn't be playing much (Baynes) because he's a decent 3rd big or slightly below average backup. The other two were already on the team, and they sucked at rebounding last year.

[bondom34]

Definatly no snark here.

That was. Because according to this thread Boston had a perfect offseason.

And we know they were the 1 seed in the East with the most assets to start the offseason of any team.

Why wouldn't you expect a title? I mean, you started with the most and maximized it, there's no excuse.

Nobody said Boston had a perfect offseason, that was you waving the white flag. I'm on record in this thread as an A- because I didn't like the Philly trade.

And others did like it and called it an A+.

[BullyKing]

The four grades that the OPs gave were A, A-, A-, and a B or B+. These are the grades that some Boston fans are losing it over.

[Homerclease]

Could you show me where I was snarky? I was short, because I was on a phone, but not snarky. And we agree you didn't fix the single massively gaping weakness the team had while adding to depth at a position you don't need. You apparently graded the offseason rather well because I gave a B and you think much higher than me.

I like Stevens but if that's the game plan you're always going to be bad at rebounding because you've got no good rebounders. And AB was a better one than Morris.

Edit: And note my review, where I said I don't even think AB is that good, but hate the fit.

Baynes is a good rebounder, so is Jaylen Brown, so is Terry Rozier

One of those 3 is a new addition, and he shouldn't be playing much (Baynes) because he's a decent 3rd big or slightly below average backup. The other two were already on the team, and they sucked at rebounding last year.

Rozier might have been the best rebounder on the team last year, and those other two are going to be playing more minutes this year

[Homerclease]

The four grades that the OPs gave were A, A-, A-, and a B or B+. These are the grades that some Boston fans are losing it over.

Who's losing anything over grades? We are simply arguing against takes we disagree with like Amir Johnson was actually a good basketball player and that Jaylen Brown was somehow a reach. Are you going to debate the topic or attack the Boston fan base?

[BullyKing]

Baynes is a good rebounder, so is Jaylen Brown, so is Terry Rozier

One of those 3 is a new addition, and he shouldn't be playing much (Baynes) because he's a decent 3rd big or slightly below average backup. The other two were already on the team, and they sucked at rebounding last year.

Rozier might have been the best rebounder on the team last year, and those other two are going to be playing more minutes this year

Well Rozier's total rebounding percentage was 10%. If that's the best rebounder on the team - that's, uh, not a good thing.

[bondom34]

Baynes is a good rebounder, so is Jaylen Brown, so is Terry Rozier

One of those 3 is a new addition, and he shouldn't be playing much (Baynes) because he's a decent 3rd big or slightly below average backup. The other two were already on the team, and they sucked at rebounding last year.

Rozier might have been the best rebounder on the team last year, and those other two are going to be playing more minutes this year

Which isn't a good thing, and he still was on the team. Also having your backup/3rd PG as the "best" rebounder seems....well pretty bad. And Baynes hasn't ever played over 16 mpg.

[Homerclease]

One of those 3 is a new addition, and he shouldn't be playing much (Baynes) because he's a decent 3rd big or slightly below average backup. The other two were already on the team, and they sucked at rebounding last year.

Rozier might have been the best rebounder on the team last year, and those other two are going to be playing more minutes this year

Well Rozier's total rebounding percentage was 10%. If that's the best rebounder on the team - that's, uh, not a good thing.

Which is why stats without context are useless

[Homerclease]

One of those 3 is a new addition, and he shouldn't be playing much (Baynes) because he's a decent 3rd big or slightly below average backup. The other two were already on the team, and they sucked at rebounding last year.

Rozier might have been the best rebounder on the team last year, and those other two are going to be playing more minutes this year

Which isn't a good thing, and he still was on the team. Also having your backup/3rd PG as the "best" rebounder seems....well pretty bad. And Baynes hasn't ever played over 16 mpg.

Which is about the same amount of minutes Amir Johnson played.

[BullyKing]

Rozier might have been the best rebounder on the team last year, and those other two are going to be playing more minutes this year

Well Rozier's total rebounding percentage was 10%. If that's the best rebounder on the team - that's, uh, not a good thing.

Which is why stats without context are useless

So we can't cite stats anymore to support our opinions. So what's that leave other than "I watch the games".

[SmartWentCrazy]

Could you show me where I was snarky?

So you think Boston needs more SFs? Great, who needs other players!

I fully expect a title based on your comments here A+ offseason.

Like really, you have no concept of fit? At all? Or just think you can play 5 wings at once all the time?

That's from your last post alone.

I was short, because I was on a phone, but not snarky.

Semantics. If you're gunna do it, own it.

And we agree you didn't fix the single massively gaping weakness the team had

100% agree. We couldn't agree more on this.

You apparently graded the offseason rather well because I gave a B and you think much higher than me.

I gave it an A in the poll, but reading this thread has caused me to realize I overrated it and I'd drop it to an A-.

I like Stevens but if that's the game plan you're always going to be bad at rebounding because you've got no good rebounders.

Agreed.

And AB was a better one than Morris.

Disagreed. AB had one good year as a rebounder where the team schemed for guards to rebound while bigs boxed out. This inflates his past year. Morris played next to Drummond, who vacuums up boards and biases his TRB% downward. It's more complex than what raw stats indicate.

[Homerclease]

Well Rozier's total rebounding percentage was 10%. If that's the best rebounder on the team - that's, uh, not a good thing.

Which is why stats without context are useless

So we can't cite stats anymore to support our opinions. So what's that leave other than "I watch the games".

https://www.google.com/amp/s/hardwoodhoudini.com/2017/05/04/terry-roziers-remarkable-postseason-rebounding/amp/

[bondom34]

Rozier might have been the best rebounder on the team last year, and those other two are going to be playing more minutes this year

Which isn't a good thing, and he still was on the team. Also having your backup/3rd PG as the "best" rebounder seems....well pretty bad. And Baynes hasn't ever played over 16 mpg.

Which is about the same amount of minutes Amir Johnson played.

1. Amir played 20 minutes per game.
2. Amir played the four mostly. Baynes isn't a four.

[BullyKing]

Which is why stats without context are useless

So we can't cite stats anymore to support our opinions. So what's that leave other than "I watch the games".

https://www.google.com/amp/s/hardwoodhoudini.com/2017/05/04/terry-roziers-remarkable-postseason-rebounding/amp/

Wait, so your evidence is to cite an article citing this: For the postseason, Rozier is second on the Celtics in both defensive rebounding percentage and defensive rebounds per 36 minutes (for anyone to play more than 20 minutes). With Rozier on the floor, Boston has grabbed 73.9 percent of available defensive rebounds. They’ve managed to secure only 66.2 percent with him off. Good for a difference of 7.7 percent.

So the argument itself cites to Rozer's playoff rebounding percentage. And that's more persuasive than citing his total rebound percentage over the course of the season? So what's the argument - Rozier was boxing out the entire other team that allowed someone else to grab the rebound?

[Homerclease]

Which isn't a good thing, and he still was on the team. Also having your backup/3rd PG as the "best" rebounder seems....well pretty bad. And Baynes hasn't ever played over 16 mpg.

Which is about the same amount of minutes Amir Johnson played.

1. Amir played 20 minutes per game.
2. Amir played the four mostly. Baynes isn't a four.

Amir played center, and guarded opponents centers. That was strictly his role, to bang inside to keep Horford fresh

[bondom34]

Could you show me where I was snarky?

So you think Boston needs more SFs? Great, who needs other players!

I fully expect a title based on your comments here A+ offseason.

Like really, you have no concept of fit? At all? Or just think you can play 5 wings at once all the time?

That's from your last post alone.

I was short, because I was on a phone, but not snarky.

Semantics. If you're gunna do it, own it.

And we agree you didn't fix the single massively gaping weakness the team had

100% agree. We couldn't agree more on this.

You apparently graded the offseason rather well because I gave a B and you think much higher than me.

I gave it an A in the poll, but reading this thread has caused me to realize I overrated it and I'd drop it to an A-.

I like Stevens but if that's the game plan you're always going to be bad at rebounding because you've got no good rebounders.

Agreed.

And AB was a better one than Morris.

Disagreed. AB had one good year as a rebounder where the team schemed for guards to rebound while bigs boxed out. This inflates his past year. Morris played next to Drummond, who vacuums up boards and biases his TRB% downward. It's more complex than what raw stats indicate.

So your reply to where was I snarky is my reply to you being snarky. Hm. Interesting.

And I'm not writing a long post on my phone from earlier in the day, sorry but I'm at work and not doing it.

And we're in near agreement grade wise because I was a B, you were an A-. I don't give many As, and there's probably 3 this offseason at most.

And Bradley was actually a better rebounder.

[Homerclease]

So we can't cite stats anymore to support our opinions. So what's that leave other than "I watch the games".

https://www.google.com/amp/s/hardwoodhoudini.com/2017/05/04/terry-roziers-remarkable-postseason-rebounding/amp/

Wait, so your evidence is to cite an article citing this: For the postseason, Rozier is second on the Celtics in both defensive rebounding percentage and defensive rebounds per 36 minutes (for anyone to play more than 20 minutes). With Rozier on the floor, Boston has grabbed 73.9 percent of available defensive rebounds. They’ve managed to secure only 66.2 percent with him off. Good for a difference of 7.7 percent.

So the argument itself cites to Rozer's playoff rebounding percentage. And that's more persuasive than citing his total rebound percentage over the course of the season? So what's the argument - Rozier was boxing out the entire other team that allowed someone else to grab the rebound?

Yes, it's almost like a young player got better throughout the season in his first year in the rotation, remarkable I know

[bondom34]

Which is about the same amount of minutes Amir Johnson played.

1. Amir played 20 minutes per game.
2. Amir played the four mostly. Baynes isn't a four.

Amir played center, and guarded opponents centers. That was strictly his role, to bang inside to keep Horford fresh

So you'd call Horford a PF? And are going to play essentially 2 Cs this year? That's not what I expected, and rather interesting. Not going to lie I don't like the idea. But I'm no coach.

[Homerclease]

1. Amir played 20 minutes per game.
2. Amir played the four mostly. Baynes isn't a four.

Amir played center, and guarded opponents centers. That was strictly his role, to bang inside to keep Horford fresh

So you'd call Horford a PF? And are going to play essentially 2 Cs this year? That's not what I expected, and rather interesting. Not going to lie I don't like the idea. But I'm no coach.

Id call pidgeonholing players into specific positions an extinct practice in todays NBA. Nevermind the fact that the two teams in the finals this year were trotting out lineups with Lebron and Durant at "center" for stretches

[BullyKing]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/hardwoodhoudini.com/2017/05/04/terry-roziers-remarkable-postseason-rebounding/amp/

Wait, so your evidence is to cite an article citing this: For the postseason, Rozier is second on the Celtics in both defensive rebounding percentage and defensive rebounds per 36 minutes (for anyone to play more than 20 minutes). With Rozier on the floor, Boston has grabbed 73.9 percent of available defensive rebounds. They’ve managed to secure only 66.2 percent with him off. Good for a difference of 7.7 percent.

So the argument itself cites to Rozer's playoff rebounding percentage. And that's more persuasive than citing his total rebound percentage over the course of the season? So what's the argument - Rozier was boxing out the entire other team that allowed someone else to grab the rebound?

Yes, it's almost like a young player got better throughout the season in his first year in the rotation, remarkable I know

Or it's almost like an incredibly small sample size is a bad basis on which to judge a player. For the record, Rozier played 277 total minutes in the playoffs last year. So, you know, less than 10 games of starter level minutes.