Woj and Shams: Chris Paul to Phoenix

[DirtyDez]

I’m not overreacting to a pick that might backfire in 4-5 years until it actually backfires.

Until then my biggest winner in this deal Is Ayton unless he’s such a beta that CP3 makes him turtle. Amare got Nash in his third season and he was a top-10 player. Let’s see.

[Texas Chuck]

Amare got Nash in his third season and he was a top-10 player. Let’s see.

Paul and Ayton aren't going to be as symbiotic as Nash and Amare so I don't expect a similar burst based on Paul's arrival.

But if Ayton becomes a top 10 player next year the Suns are going to be an enormous problem for the league.

[Crives]

I really hate this trade for Phoenix. It seems they do not understand that CP3 is a plodding, methodic guard that excels in a slower pace and only gets injured in a faster paced game. He also refuses to not have the ball in his hands to setup plays (of which he runs his own mostly) and as such, coaches are forced to adjust their style to CP3's speed limitations. Phoenix needs to run.

When CP3 was with the Clips and we had Blake / DJ, we were always screaming for the team to play faster. Now that we have Kawhi / George, the team is trying to play slower. I wish CP3 spent his time here with Kawhi. Phoenix will regret this move.

That is not the way Paul played last year w/ OKC. A slower pace, yes, but he shared the ball w/ SGA and Schroder, who both improved, while keeping Gallo and Adams happy.

OKC has a different lineup to PHX. In OKC, CP3 was training SGA and had confidence in Schroders ability to handle the ball as a facilitator. In PHX, CP3 is the only legit facilitator in the lineup. Booker will always try to score before passing. In OKC, they had limited offense and needed a lot of ball movement. In PHX, they are more of an ISO team with plenty of scoring already.

In addition, CP3 will look to shoot much more than Rubio and that can disrupt Bookers “beat me first” scoring mentality. If you force CP3 to become a catch and shoot player, then this becomes massive overpay.

Phx led the league in assists last year. They played a beautiful spurs system of basketball with a “.5 offense”, where you make a decision to pass, shoot or drive within .5 seconds of receiving to ball. That is not going to change, passing will actually get better with Oubre’s minutes getting eliminated.

I don’t mind having two of the best iso scorers when things slow down though.. not sure why you think that’s a problem.

[BarbaGrizz]

Does Rubio/Oubre makes OKC a worst team next season?

[clippertown]

That is not the way Paul played last year w/ OKC. A slower pace, yes, but he shared the ball w/ SGA and Schroder, who both improved, while keeping Gallo and Adams happy.

OKC has a different lineup to PHX. In OKC, CP3 was training SGA and had confidence in Schroders ability to handle the ball as a facilitator. In PHX, CP3 is the only legit facilitator in the lineup. Booker will always try to score before passing. In OKC, they had limited offense and needed a lot of ball movement. In PHX, they are more of an ISO team with plenty of scoring already.

In addition, CP3 will look to shoot much more than Rubio and that can disrupt Bookers “beat me first” scoring mentality. If you force CP3 to become a catch and shoot player, then this becomes massive overpay.

Phx led the league in assists last year. They played a beautiful spurs system of basketball with a “.5 offense”, where you make a decision to pass, shoot or drive within .5 seconds of receiving to ball. That is not going to change, passing will actually get better with Oubre’s minutes getting eliminated.

I don’t mind having two of the best iso scorers when things slow down though.. not sure why you think that’s a problem.

Its not a problem. CP3 will definitely improve the team under certain conditions, but he is not the facilitator Rubio is, especially when he is looking to score. I just don't see how he fits when the pace is fast. I also don't know if CP3 is willing to give up the ball in tight situations, whereas with Rubio, anybody can get the ball in closing moments. That was part of the Phoenix charm.

[phx#7]

Paul and Ayton aren't going to be as symbiotic as Nash and Amare so I don't expect a similar burst based on Paul's arrival.

But if Ayton becomes a top 10 player next year the Suns are going to be an enormous problem for the league.

I've seen other Suns fans pushing the same sentiment. Ayton does most things better than Amare, but he isn't close to Amare when it comes to attacking the rim and I don't see Paul who is much more conservative with the ball than Nash changing that.

I'd love to be proven wrong and watch Ayton go to the line 10 times a game while leading the league in and1s(provided he continues to improve defensively as well) the way Amare used to.

[Spin Move]

After Chris Paul finshes the contract in 2 years the suns should have enough room to have a max salary slot afterwards. You look good for 2 years with Paul and attract his younger replacement as a FA after he goes.

[Saberestar]

Think of the point guards now to have donned a Suns jersey:
Steve Nash
Jason Kidd
Penny Hardaway (even if he was there as a forward)
Chris Paul
Kevin Johnson
Stephon Marbury
Goran Dragic

That's pretty amazing

And Dennis Johnson.

[MoneyTalks41890]

After Chris Paul finshes the contract in 2 years the suns should have enough room to have a max salary slot afterwards. You look good for 2 years with Paul and attract his younger replacement as a FA after he goes.

Depends what happens with Ayton and Bridges, no? They are both RFAs that same offseason.

[MoneyTalks41890]

Does Rubio/Oubre makes OKC a worst team next season?

Yes, but they won't be around long enough for us to find out.

[Snakebites]

Think of the point guards now to have donned a Suns jersey:
Steve Nash
Jason Kidd
Penny Hardaway (even if he was there as a forward)
Chris Paul
Kevin Johnson
Stephon Marbury
Goran Dragic

That's pretty amazing

And Dennis Johnson.

They had Kidd, KJ, and Nash at the same time.

[BarbaGrizz]

Does Rubio/Oubre makes OKC a worst team next season?

Yes, but they won't be around long enough for us to find out.

Your future looks absolutely bright. I'm jealous.

[Spin Move]

After Chris Paul finshes the contract in 2 years the suns should have enough room to have a max salary slot afterwards. You look good for 2 years with Paul and attract his younger replacement as a FA after he goes.

Depends what happens with Ayton and Bridges, no? They are both RFAs that same offseason.

Ayton will get maxed I don't see Bridges demanding near max, could be wrong. So yes expect a space.

[irfunk_]

I checked at here and espn’s trade machine that Rubio can still be moved so what if they get T.Young for him? Bulls wants a veteran guard if I’m remember correctly and starter 4 is needed by Wolves.

[Scoot McGroot]

I checked at here and espn’s trade machine that Rubio can still be moved so what if they get T.Young for him? Bulls wants a veteran guard if I’m remember correctly and starter 4 is needed by Wolves.

Minnesota traded an expiring 4 for Rubio. I think they really acquired Rubio because they really want him. Trading him for a bit quite expiring 4 in Thad makes little sense, especially since Minnesota plays a unique 4 out type offense, so they’ll play more guards and wings than most teams and less big men.

[Texas Chuck]

I checked at here and espn’s trade machine that Rubio can still be moved so what if they get T.Young for him? Bulls wants a veteran guard if I’m remember correctly and starter 4 is needed by Wolves.

Minnesota traded an expiring 4 for Rubio. I think they really acquired Rubio because they really want him. Trading him for a bit quite expiring 4 in Thad makes little sense, especially since Minnesota plays a unique 4 out type offense, so they’ll play more guards and wings than most teams and less big men.

I saw today that Josh Okogie is going to play PF for them. So that problem is clearly solved.

[RiRuHoops]

I checked at here and espn’s trade machine that Rubio can still be moved so what if they get T.Young for him? Bulls wants a veteran guard if I’m remember correctly and starter 4 is needed by Wolves.

come on, stop posting about stuff you clearly have zero clue about.