Shams: Jrue to Milwaukee

BlazersBroncos · Post #121 » by **BlazersBroncos** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 12:46 pm

Well Giannis cant say the Bucks arent trying to put the best team around him possible. This is a stars league and Holiday is just that, Eric isnt. As long as Giannis resigns, and I think the two moves made today may greatly improve that chance, this deal is a win for MIL.

That team with Giannis + Jrue and BB is netting you 25 and below picks for the next 5 years. Thats not a bad price to pay for the upgrade that Holiday provides.

That bench though, they better hope all the ring chasers in this league come to them.

Post #122 » by **VCfor3** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 12:53 pm

Bucks had to make a move and they did. I think they got better overall, but I really want to see the protections on those picks. They are likely late picks that they give up with the swaps not being executed, but it still has the potential for absolute disaster if Jrue and Giannis don't resign.

Post #123 » by **Ruzious** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 1:01 pm

BlazersBroncos wrote:Well Giannis cant say the Bucks arent trying to put the best team around him possible. This is a stars league and Holiday is just that, Eric isnt. As long as Giannis resigns, and I think the two moves made today may greatly improve that chance, this deal is a win for MIL.

That team with Giannis + Jrue and BB is netting you 25 and below picks for the next 5 years. Thats not a bad price to pay for the upgrade that Holiday provides.

That bench though, they better hope all the ring chasers in this league come to them.

Lol, Jrue is also a free agent after next season. This trade also makes it so the Bucks are f'd not only if Giannis doesn't re-sign, but also if Jrue doesn't re-sign. So the Bucks have probably dramatically increased Jrue's asking price. If the Bucks don't re-sign BOTH Giannis and Jrue, this trade is a complete disaster for them. And right now, they have no legit backups - just 5 starters on their roster and 2 developmental type players. Not to mention, they have zero draft picks on Wednesday to bolster their non-existent bench.

And how is Jrue a star? Look at his stats and Bledsoe's stats. Bledsoe's are actually a little better. Saying Jrue is a star doesn't make it happen.

BlazersBroncos · Post #124 » by **BlazersBroncos** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 1:06 pm

Holiday shows up for the playoffs, even elevates his game. Eric has been MIA for 2 postseasons now. Thats unacceptable.

patman66 · Post #125 » by **patman66** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 1:19 pm

Scoot McGroot wrote:

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The celts just got outbid for Okongwu with the knicks.

atlantabbq99 · Post #126 » by **atlantabbq99** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 1:21 pm

This trade puts the Bucks as the clear #1 in the east, way way above Miami and Boston, buuuuuuut, Giannis and Jrue are still not good enough to beat Curry or Lebron.

JHFVF07 · Post #127 » by **JHFVF07** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 1:23 pm

Im curious, if NOP takes this package add the #14 pick and show themselves willing to take some bad sallary, what is the best pick they can get? #2? #4?
And whats the best player?(Beal, maybe?)

Wolveswin · Post #128 » by **Wolveswin** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 2:16 pm

JHFVF07 wrote:Im curious, if NOP takes this package add the #14 pick and show themselves willing to take some bad sallary, what is the best pick they can get? #2? #4?
And whats the best player?(Beal, maybe?)

Pelicans have #13.

But I think they should still be on the phone with Hawks. They don’t have Holiday but Bledsoe and Hill both could be viable vets they are after.

Bledsoe + Hill (or even Redick) + #13 FOR #6 + Dedmon (not needed)

Or wrap in Wolves to get up to #1.

Hawks: #6 + Dedmon (not needed) FOR Bledsoe + Hill (or Redick) + #13

Wolves: #1 FOR #6 + Future 1sts from Pelicans

Pelicans: #13 + Bledsoe + Hill + Future 1sts FOR #1 + Dedmon

R-DAWG · Post #129 » by **R-DAWG** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 2:34 pm

Remeber when 26 year old Kyrie Irving was traded for 1 1st round pick, an injured guy, and a role player who's greatest Real GM attribute was his market rate contract?

RandyBreuer · Post #130 » by **RandyBreuer** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 3:17 pm

Bledsoe is too expensive for a good team. I think he will get dumped to drive someone's tank.

Couch Potato · Post #131 » by **Couch Potato** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 3:32 pm

skones wrote:
youngthegiant wrote:Is Jrue even a major upgrade over Bledsoe? Milwaukee overpaid but if Giannis extends then it's probably worth it .

No, he's not. He's a lateral move.

For regular season stats is pretty much lateral other then Holiday shoots a few more threes. Playoff vanishing Bledsoe isn't as close as playoff Holiday. Also if Giannis signs the max. Them pick swaps probably wont happen long as Giannis and Middleton stay healthy. Swaps only sounds good to Pelicans if Giannis and Holiday bolt.

As for the 3 first round picks. Any news if any protections at all? Still if Giannis is in Milwaukee and healthy team, them picks are late 20's. Besides one being used in this weak draft selected by the Bucks to get away from the Stepien rule.

This isn't as bad as what Clippers gave up for burned out PG13. PG13 was worthless in the playoffs. Yet gave up all them picks and SGA and Gallinari.

Post #132 » by **Scoot McGroot** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 3:33 pm

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Post #133 » by **Texas Chuck** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 3:34 pm

I have Gallo as a big winner here btw. Miami and Dallas probably just got a bit more interested in a longer deal than they were 24 hours ago. Both teams want him, both teams are good--I mean Miami was in the Finals and he fits perfectly in Miami.

R-DAWG · Post #134 » by **R-DAWG** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 3:39 pm

Pushing the pick out to 2027 is something to pay attention to. Milwaukee now won't be eligible to trade a future draft pick until the 2022 offseason, although they can trade their 2021 pick on draft night 2021.

Having said that - assuming they keep Giannis - it's worth it. Even if this is a short term extension, give yourself a 2-3 year window to win a title and live with the consequences of not having future draft picks.

R-DAWG · Post #135 » by **R-DAWG** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 3:43 pm

Texas Chuck wrote:I have Gallo as a big winner here btw. Miami and Dallas probably just got a bit more interested in a longer deal than they were 24 hours ago. Both teams want him, both teams are good--I mean Miami was in the Finals and he fits perfectly in Miami.

I feel like Dallas has more pressure on them now to add to the roster, or they risk falling into the play-in tournament.

Lakers
Clippers
Warriors
Nuggets
Jazz

That seems to be the top 5.

The battle for #6 with Dallas includes Portland (just added Covington), Phoenix (just added Paul), Houston (until Harden is traded they are still in the mix) along with improving New Orleans and Memphis. I don't consider New Orleans and Memphis a threat for #6, but in play for the play-in tournament. But between Dallas, Portland, Pheonix and potentially Houston, that's a toss up for the 6th seed.

Post #136 » by **Texas Chuck** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 3:48 pm

R-DAWG wrote:I feel like Dallas has more pressure on them now to add to the roster, or they risk falling into the play-in tournament.

I agree. I've been the only guy on the board telling people that 21 Mavs pick the Knicks own is a higher variance asset than they think. Now it helps that OKC is taking themselves out unless they bring back Gallo and maybe even then. Houston appears to be possibly out, New Orleans just signaled a step back. But there are still so many good teams and Dallas is Luka and a lot of duct tape.

But on Gallo specifically I just think he does more for the Heat than the Mavs.

basketballwacko2 · Post #137 » by **basketballwacko2** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 3:51 pm

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Those picks down the road could end up being a massive haul for NO.

basketballwacko2 · Post #138 » by **basketballwacko2** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 3:58 pm

Kurt Heimlich wrote:
Papi_swav wrote:Wow 3 picks to NO for one player. I just hope it's within the next couple years while Giannis is still there. I understand it for the Bucks tho, they are in win now mode and needed a big time splash player for Giannis to be happy. Jrue is one of the best on both sides of the floor, good for them.

Giannis could be gone after this year lol. Hopefully MKE was clear headed enough to not go full Billy King here.

With those picks out to 2027 being "Unprotected" this has a feel of that Boston/Brooklyn trade for KG, Pierce and Allen.

buckboy · Post #139 » by **buckboy** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 4:00 pm

Chicago-Bull-E wrote:3 firsts and 2 pick swaps for a 30 year old expiring?

This will go down as the worst trade of all time. It will make the Brooklyn and Boston deal look like nothing.

I almost feel bad for Bucks fans, as they just lost a decade of basketball. This may change the rules again on trading draft picks.

R-DAWG · Post #140 » by **R-DAWG** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 4:06 pm

Texas Chuck wrote:
R-DAWG wrote:I feel like Dallas has more pressure on them now to add to the roster, or they risk falling into the play-in tournament.

I agree. I've been the only guy on the board telling people that 21 Mavs pick the Knicks own is a higher variance asset than they think. Now it helps that OKC is taking themselves out unless they bring back Gallo and maybe even then. Houston appears to be possibly out, New Orleans just signaled a step back. But there are still so many good teams and Dallas is Luka and a lot of duct tape.

But on Gallo specifically I just think he does more for the Heat than the Mavs.

Dallas, if they stand pat, could be a Luka sprained ankle away from missing the playoffs - assuming KP misses his 25% of the season.

Yes, it helps that OKC isn't in the playoff mix (we assume), but Golden State replaces them in the top 8:

Based on last years playoffs - Lakers-Nuggets-Clipper- Warriors (replacing OKC)-Houston-Utah-Dallas-Portland - - Memphis was technically the 8th seed but lost the play-in tournament. New Orleans (if Zion stays healthy - major IF) and Pheonix should be right in the hunt. And don't overlook Minnesota - Russell is a big upgrade over Wiggins, plus they have the #1 and #17 pick, movable expiring contracts, and other young talent around KAT. And Sacramento isn't a total slouch.

So that's 9 times thats 9 teams in play for 5 slots - final 3 playoff slots and 2 play in slots.

The West is loaded man. With all these teams a 2 week, 8 game injury can be the difference between the #6 seed and missing the play-in tournament.

Who won the trade?