VeritasTri wrote:Chinook wrote:It's not the opposite. No one with actual win-now pieces is going to take the B- or C-Level picks that aren't going to Philly for their win-now players. If the Sixers don't get a star for Simmons, then they'll need to retain the ability to acquire one later. That means they'll want future value in addition to the present value. Minny can't both provide that and give teams what they'd want for their pieces. A 2028 unprotected first isn't valueless, but most GMs don't have the job security to trade for a pick that'll likely be made by another exec. It's even more the case when factoring in swaps with teams trading their win-now pieces to help Minny get a star. It's not likely that a team like Orlando will feel confident that a 2027 swap will even convey, let alone be good enough on its own to do a deal.
#1. Philly wont get a star for Simmons, sorry if this obvious reality is hard to accept.
#2. Not every team with "win now" pieces is trying to "win now", and may value the future benefit of picks over a few wins in a non competitive season. Its literally the basis of how teams rebuild in the NBA.
#3. Why do you talk about 2027/2028 as if the next 6 years dont exist? Do you really think Simmons is fetching players and 3-4 picks and swaps? Jesus.
#4. At first I felt bad for Philly fans and the crushing reality that is going to be dropped on their heads when Simmons is dealt. Now im kinda looking forward to it.
#1 It's not about Philly getting a star for Simmons. It's about Philly getting a star to put around Embiid. That has to be their main goal for what they do in the near future. They're not just looking for guys to be competitive now if they can add to the picks to send to a team with a disgruntled star later.
#2 That's true, but I specifically mentioned why those teams wouldn't want what's left over after Philly gets their fill of Minny's picks. Most teams aren't willing to trade real win-now pieces for far-off firsts or swap that may not convey.
#3 Do I think Simmons is going to encumber three or four years of Minny's picks while also getting win-now players? Yes, probably. Obviously, it depends on the bidders, but we're really only talking about the Wolves offering one unprotected pick and one protected to the Sixers in order to get into 2026-2028 territory for what they're offering other teams. It's not that no team can trade for Simmons. But Minny in particular doesn't have the flexibility if they're leaving Edwards, Towns and Russell out. Most competitors aren't going to be purposefully taking so much of their value out of the conversation.
#4 Talking smack of Philly fans doesn't bother me? No idea why this was a point you felt needed a number. I like the Sixers well enough, but I don't route for them. I certainly don't care about them getting whatever trade value.
