Thoughts in General, Rumors, etc 5.0

NYG · Post #121 » by **NYG** » Mon Jan 17, 2022 2:41 am

FYI, if you would like to simulate the standings going into the NBA Trade Deadline: https://playoffpredictors.com/Basketball/CustomLeague/SchedulePicker/1B0D506D-A9C9-448C-8BD6-9B680313BFF9?L=IzBM9EXLJ7JgTO9YI+1UldisNJOZQ7WABiuptrvocaZtGbfY86+597-4GChwkaLHiJkqdPbFciNCkSFoqiBBWk5GggpKqc8AgeW7lazDqXncm0zjkqlDojoz78ZF+Re+Th219TBTIjdVtXbGsSVHt-PSwNZBCvK3cTXTVFAONzcJCbbWtbClj5RRDqaAp5Gs86qNdMTSKrGPga7E6kqBkBIA

dodongo · Post #122 » by **dodongo** » Mon Jan 17, 2022 2:41 am

psman2 wrote:
jbk1234 wrote:
dodongo wrote:If Westbrook is dumped and bought out, which contender (if any) will want to sign him?

No matter how bad it gets, the Lakers are still better off with Westbrook as an expiring contract that can be traded this summer than Westbrook's dead money on their books that cannot.

I think the term dumped here refers to him getting traded and then the new team is buying him out. I am not sure there is a trade that makes sense to do that but I think that is the scenario the poster is contemplating.

Yes you are right. Just thought about after seeing zimpy's Russ to OKC trade. If the Lakers were adamant in getting rid of Russ could maybe send him to OKC or HOU for some role players?

Not saying it will happen, just throwing it out there

Ell Curry · Post #123 » by **Ell Curry** » Mon Jan 17, 2022 2:59 am

I think Philly is the Westbrook buy-out team. They need some juice and Embiid can shoot 3s, though who knows what Morey thinks of him. And they know how to play with a non-shooter.

Boston is possible just because they're a mess and he is a PG and they would still have spacing with a Westbrook-Richardson-Brown-Tatum-Horford lineup for him. Not a good influence on the shot selection of Tatum or Brown, but it makes some sense.

Nuggets if Jokic likes him, but Murray apparently should be back for the playoff so probably a no.

Clippers is Paul George or Kawhi is coming back is a nice basketball fit.

Pelicans don't have a PG really and are coming on strong, but you'd figure they just want Zion to come back and be the main ballhandler.

Don't think the Raptors would do it but we do need a bench guard if he'd be our 6th man and we can surround him with shooting and if he tries he fits the constantly rotating D in theory since he'd get to guard wings inside more and focus on rebounding.

The Wizards know him and he played well there the end of the season. They'd piss off Dinwiddie if they made Westbrook the starter and Dinwiddie the 6th man but they could close or start whoever is hot and KCP-Beal-Kuzma at the 2-3-4 is a lot of shooting for him to work with.

Ell Curry · Post #124 » by **Ell Curry** » Mon Jan 17, 2022 3:07 am

zimpy27 wrote:
jbk1234 wrote:
dodongo wrote:If Westbrook is dumped and bought out, which contender (if any) will want to sign him?

No matter how bad it gets, the Lakers are still better off with Westbrook as an expiring contract that can be traded this summer than Westbrook's dead money on their books that cannot.

Definitely. Lakers have Westbrook and 2 FRPs to trade in offseason. They will be able to recalibrate if they need to.

There are less bad contracts out there which hurt them, but the 2023 free agent class has to be better than this upcoming one (right?) so maybe teams looking to shed money.

I still think Westbrook to the Knicks with a first rounder for Fournier, Rose and Noel and 3 2nds isn't insane in that it saves New York like 18M in 2 years by dumping Fournier's last year and Rose and Noel making 22M next year, and the Knicks turn 3 of their 9 extra 2nd rounders over the next 5 drafts into an actual first, which makes more sense than just cutting guys (they're not going to have 15 rookie contracts guys rostered from their next 5 drafts which they have 20 picks in, with the extra first from Dallas coming too). And the Lakers get some 2nds to draft cheap guys or move them for the bench guys they still need. Most people probably think that's basically getting Rose for free, but cap space in 2 years should matter to the Knicks, they're New York and if Reddish or Barrett hits they can probably get someone to join them.

Resistance · Post #125 » by **Resistance** » Mon Jan 17, 2022 3:26 am

NYG wrote:FYI, if you would like to simulate the standings going into the NBA Trade Deadline: https://playoffpredictors.com/Basketball/CustomLeague/SchedulePicker/1B0D506D-A9C9-448C-8BD6-9B680313BFF9?L=IzBM9EXLJ7JgTO9YI+1UldisNJOZQ7WABiuptrvocaZtGbfY86+597-4GChwkaLHiJkqdPbFciNCkSFoqiBBWk5GggpKqc8AgeW7lazDqXncm0zjkqlDojoz78ZF+Re+Th219TBTIjdVtXbGsSVHt-PSwNZBCvK3cTXTVFAONzcJCbbWtbClj5RRDqaAp5Gs86qNdMTSKrGPga7E6kqBkBIA

If you have some input to the people running/developing that web site, let them know that I think they need to stack the standings for the Eastern & Western Conferences on top of each other in the same column on one side of the web page. Then adjust the formatting of the main column that has the games/matchups.

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It could be said that there are actually five columns

So adjust it by putting the standings in one column

Then redo the formatting for the columns with Western Conference games, Eastern vs. Western Conference games and Eastern Conference games.

NYG · Post #126 » by **NYG** » Mon Jan 17, 2022 9:34 am

One interesting idea is Memphis as a small market team knowing to get talent, they will have to overpay for it, going out and giving up Kyle Anderson, Dillon Brooks and picks galore for Jaylen Brown.

Ell Curry · Post #127 » by **Ell Curry** » Mon Jan 17, 2022 11:02 am

NYG wrote:One interesting idea is Memphis as a small market team knowing to get talent, they will have to overpay for it, going out and giving up Kyle Anderson, Dillon Brooks and picks galore for Jaylen Brown.

Celtics need a PG badly, so maybe Tyus Jones. Did well as a starter with Ja out and he's a UFA but they'd have bird rights and I bet he'd stay because he'd be their starter.

Tyus Jones, one of the Grizzlies 3 first rounders this year, Golden State's 2024 top 4 protected (Steph will be 35 and Draymond 33 that season and maybe the young guys won't be quite ready yet), another first rounder, Dillon Brooks and Konchar for Brown and a Celtics minimum guy?

Feels a little light without Bane, but it is 3 firsts, a starting backcourt and the cheap and productive Konchar and it gets Celtics out of the tax this year and the next (assuming Jones signs for less than 16 or 17M, which is probably the max he might get).

Grizz: Morant-Bane-Brown-Jackson-Adams with a still decent bench of Melton, Ziaire, Clarke, Tillman, their first rounder and probably an MLE point guard. Maybe they bring back Kyle Anderson.

Fencer reregistered · Post #128 » by **Fencer reregistered** » Mon Jan 17, 2022 1:03 pm

NYG wrote:One interesting idea is Memphis as a small market team knowing to get talent, they will have to overpay for it, going out and giving up Kyle Anderson, Dillon Brooks and picks galore for Jaylen Brown.

That doesn't sound remotely like overpayment.

Fencer reregistered · Post #129 » by **Fencer reregistered** » Mon Jan 17, 2022 1:05 pm

Ell Curry wrote:
NYG wrote:One interesting idea is Memphis as a small market team knowing to get talent, they will have to overpay for it, going out and giving up Kyle Anderson, Dillon Brooks and picks galore for Jaylen Brown.

Celtics need a PG badly, so maybe Tyus Jones. Did well as a starter with Ja out and he's a UFA but they'd have bird rights and I bet he'd stay because he'd be their starter.

Tyus Jones, one of the Grizzlies 3 first rounders this year, Golden State's 2024 top 4 protected (Steph will be 35 and Draymond 33 that season and maybe the young guys won't be quite ready yet), another first rounder, Dillon Brooks and Konchar for Brown and a Celtics minimum guy?

Feels a little light without Bane, but it is 3 firsts, a starting backcourt and the cheap and productive Konchar and it gets Celtics out of the tax this year and the next (assuming Jones signs for less than 16 or 17M, which is probably the max he might get).

Grizz: Morant-Bane-Brown-Jackson-Adams with a still decent bench of Melton, Ziaire, Clarke, Tillman, their first rounder and probably an MLE point guard. Maybe they bring back Kyle Anderson.

And a good backup PG doesn't change the valuation.

By the way -- the unkindest reasonable take on Smart is that he's a good backup PG.

jayu70 · Post #130 » by **jayu70** » Mon Jan 17, 2022 2:28 pm

The Pacers are seeking two first-round picks or a promising young player and a first-round pick in exchange for Myles Turner, the NBA’s top shot blocker, league sources told HoopsHype.
– via Michael Scotto @ HoopsHype

Indiana’s asking price for Caris LeVert is a first-round pick and a good young player, league sources told HoopsHype.
– via Michael Scotto @ HoopsHype

Houston is seeking a first-round pick in trade talks for the veteran scoring guard, league sources told HoopsHype.
– via Michael Scotto @ HoopsHype

Post #131 » by **VCfor3** » Mon Jan 17, 2022 3:15 pm

Ell Curry wrote:
NYG wrote:One interesting idea is Memphis as a small market team knowing to get talent, they will have to overpay for it, going out and giving up Kyle Anderson, Dillon Brooks and picks galore for Jaylen Brown.

Celtics need a PG badly, so maybe Tyus Jones. Did well as a starter with Ja out and he's a UFA but they'd have bird rights and I bet he'd stay because he'd be their starter.

Tyus Jones, one of the Grizzlies 3 first rounders this year, Golden State's 2024 top 4 protected (Steph will be 35 and Draymond 33 that season and maybe the young guys won't be quite ready yet), another first rounder, Dillon Brooks and Konchar for Brown and a Celtics minimum guy?

Feels a little light without Bane, but it is 3 firsts, a starting backcourt and the cheap and productive Konchar and it gets Celtics out of the tax this year and the next (assuming Jones signs for less than 16 or 17M, which is probably the max he might get).

Grizz: Morant-Bane-Brown-Jackson-Adams with a still decent bench of Melton, Ziaire, Clarke, Tillman, their first rounder and probably an MLE point guard. Maybe they bring back Kyle Anderson.

The Memphis offer would need to be more honestly. I love Brooks and think he will thrive in the playoffs more than the regular season, but he isn't close to Brown atm. If he goes off in the playoffs again this year it will help his value, but one good playoff run last year feels like teams could write it off as a fluke. Will take more for Boston to consider parting with their young All Star wing. Ziaire has been playing very well since coming back from injury. He looks like he could be Ingram-esque down the road (maybe Ingram-lite but too early to tell anything). I think Boston would want him in the deal as well. Feels like this is more of an offseason trade than a trade deadline deal and only happens if Boston continues to struggle and misses the play-in all together.

Bologna Smasher · Post #132 » by **Bologna Smasher** » Mon Jan 17, 2022 4:32 pm

jayu70 wrote:Houston is seeking a first-round pick in trade talks for the veteran scoring guard, league sources told HoopsHype.
– via Michael Scotto @ HoopsHype

The only first-round pick I see Houston getting for Gordon is one that will end up as a second-round pick in a few years. He's a nice role-player, but his contract is still hideous, even with the non-guarantee.

Post #133 » by **MoneyTalks41890** » Mon Jan 17, 2022 4:40 pm

jayu70 wrote:The Pacers are seeking two first-round picks or a promising young player and a first-round pick in exchange for Myles Turner, the NBA’s top shot blocker, league sources told HoopsHype.
– via Michael Scotto @ HoopsHype

Indiana’s asking price for Caris LeVert is a first-round pick and a good young player, league sources told HoopsHype.
– via Michael Scotto @ HoopsHype

Houston is seeking a first-round pick in trade talks for the veteran scoring guard, league sources told HoopsHype.
– via Michael Scotto @ HoopsHype

The latter two seem unlikely, though LeVert more so

NYG · Post #134 » by **NYG** » Mon Jan 17, 2022 5:25 pm

jayu70 wrote:The Pacers are seeking two first-round picks or a promising young player and a first-round pick in exchange for Myles Turner, the NBA’s top shot blocker, league sources told HoopsHype.
– via Michael Scotto @ HoopsHype

I'm guessing if I had to better define this, the final offer for Myles Turner is probably similar to Vuc to the Bulls...

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/31133908/orlando-magic-trade-nikola-vucevic-chicago-bulls-sources-say

The Orlando Magic traded All-Star center Nikola Vucevic and Al-Farouq Aminu to the Chicago Bulls in exchange for Wendell Carter Jr., Otto Porter Jr. and two first-round picks, it was announced Thursday.

The first-round picks going to the Magic are for 2021 and 2023, sources told ESPN's Adrian Wojnarowski.

The 2021-22 version of the 2020-21 Bulls to me is the Kings here.

NYG · Post #135 » by **NYG** » Mon Jan 17, 2022 5:31 pm

Fencer reregistered wrote:
NYG wrote:One interesting idea is Memphis as a small market team knowing to get talent, they will have to overpay for it, going out and giving up Kyle Anderson, Dillon Brooks and picks galore for Jaylen Brown.

That doesn't sound remotely like overpayment.

Maybe not overpayment, but there aren't a lot of other teams with all of their picks that would offer them for Brown. I guess the Cavs could put together a better offer and a few other teams, but 7 1st round picks isn't nothing.

Boston Celtics get:
Kyle Anderson
Dillon Brooks
2022 Lakers 1st
2022 Jazz 1st
2022 Grizzlies 1st
2024 Warriors 1st
2024 Grizzlies 1st
2026 Grizzlies 1st
2028 Grizzlies 1st

Memphis Grizzlies get:
Jaylen Brown

Godaddycurse · Post #136 » by **Godaddycurse** » Mon Jan 17, 2022 5:37 pm

NYG wrote:
Fencer reregistered wrote:
NYG wrote:One interesting idea is Memphis as a small market team knowing to get talent, they will have to overpay for it, going out and giving up Kyle Anderson, Dillon Brooks and picks galore for Jaylen Brown.

That doesn't sound remotely like overpayment.

Maybe not overpayment, but there aren't a lot of other teams with all of their picks that would offer them for Brown. I guess the Cavs could put together a better offer and a few other teams, but 7 1st round picks isn't nothing.

Boston Celtics get:
Kyle Anderson
Dillon Brooks
2022 Lakers 1st
2022 Jazz 1st
2022 Grizzlies 1st
2024 Warriors 1st
2024 Grizzlies 1st
2026 Grizzlies 1st
2028 Grizzlies 1st

Memphis Grizzlies get:
Jaylen Brown

lol jaylen brown is not worth 8 picks worth of value. Thats for someone whose top 10 in talent.

psman2 · Post #137 » by **psman2** » Mon Jan 17, 2022 5:42 pm

NYG wrote:
Fencer reregistered wrote:
NYG wrote:One interesting idea is Memphis as a small market team knowing to get talent, they will have to overpay for it, going out and giving up Kyle Anderson, Dillon Brooks and picks galore for Jaylen Brown.

That doesn't sound remotely like overpayment.

Maybe not overpayment, but there aren't a lot of other teams with all of their picks that would offer them for Brown. I guess the Cavs could put together a better offer and a few other teams, but 7 1st round picks isn't nothing.

Boston Celtics get:
Kyle Anderson
Dillon Brooks
2022 Lakers 1st
2022 Jazz 1st
2022 Grizzlies 1st
2024 Warriors 1st
2024 Grizzlies 1st
2026 Grizzlies 1st
2028 Grizzlies 1st

Memphis Grizzlies get:
Jaylen Brown

We are not doing that, love to have Brown but not near that cost.

HornetJail · Post #138 » by **HornetJail** » Mon Jan 17, 2022 5:57 pm

that's more of a Tatum offer than a Jaylen Brown offer lol

babyjax13 · Post #139 » by **babyjax13** » Mon Jan 17, 2022 6:18 pm

I disagree. It's a bunch of nickles for a dollar type trade that makes Boston much worse in the short to medium term and requires a lot of subsequent dealing/drafting to get them back to the kind of foundation they have now, and they might not get there. Meanwhile for Memphis it gives them an incredible four-player core for the next decade of Ja-Bane-Brown-JJJ...they'd be a perennial contender.

Godaddycurse · Post #140 » by **Godaddycurse** » Mon Jan 17, 2022 6:34 pm

babyjax13 wrote:I disagree. It's a bunch of nickles for a dollar type trade that makes Boston much worse in the short to medium term and requires a lot of subsequent dealing/drafting to get them back to the kind of foundation they have now, and they might not get there. Meanwhile for Memphis it gives them an incredible four-player core for the next decade of Ja-Bane-Brown-JJJ...they'd be a perennial contender.

id say its more like quarters and thats 8 quarters for a dollar. Thats even more than what Harden or George fetched for example.