2022 NBA Draft Open Thread

[amcoolio]

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Just for fun, what is this about?

I'd be shocked if Atlanta gives up on him early, I think he is good. Its probably about the Collins story

[Dadouv47]

It's time for some fun.

[Dadouv47]

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Just for fun, what is this about?

I'd be shocked if Atlanta gives up on him early, I think he is good. Its probably about the Collins story

Hawks players trolling a bit?

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[Godaddycurse]

You do know that Cojo hate breaks most posters sanity right?

I only like him because his nickname sounds like CuJo who was one of the better goalies that played for the leafs

[HartfordWhalers]

You do know that Cojo hate breaks most posters sanity right?

I only like him because his nickname sounds like CuJo who was one of the better goalies that played for the leafs

I haven't suffered from Cojo-itis directly, but from what has been reported, he seems to be a backup pg that stabilizes a team (and wins unnecessary coach love) by dribbling for 20 seconds and preventing all their budding all star bench prospects from ever getting a chance to do anything and then randomly hot potato-ing some excellent diamond in the rough by forcing them to take a shot they will miss and ruining their stats (and confidence). He single handedly has set teams back years and forever stunted future stars.

The last player I can think of with such strong takes I didn't fully understand was Dion, and that was those people clinging to him and sinking on his island.

[JHFVF07]

Okay let me say this---I love Jalen Brunson. Love everything about his toughness, his professionalism, his demeanor, his incredible footwork, etc....

But this looming bidding war? Make no mistake I want Dallas to re-sign him cost be damned, but I'm not thinking he's going to represent good value on this deal. At all.

Maybe Vivek will help you, leting Ivey drop to Detroit, then Pistons will probably try to open their cap to Ayton and Bridges, If they can keep one of them, its a win.

[esvl]

Memphis apparently trying to move into the lottery per Kevin O Conner, says they are looking at the Knicks.

Brooks, 23, 29 for Fournier, 11? Completed after the draft with space from MEM.

Please… #11 can bring a star…

[Dadouv47]

Where's that Detroit interest in Brunson coming from?

I can see the appeal for him to go to NY because of his father but leaving Dallas for another team is crazy if they are going to pay him almost the same money.

[TheNetsFan]

Don't know the legitimacy of the source, but...

What would the Spurs have received from the Hawks in the proposed trade?
First of all, I’m told that Collins wasn’t headed to the Spurs in the deal that was discussed yesterday. Collins was being sent to a third team. That team, believed to also be in the Western Conference, was set to send further draft compensation to the Spurs.

In total, San Antonio was in line to get at least four first round picks in return for Murray.

https://www.spurstalk.com/dejounte-murray-trade-rumor-atlanta-hawks/

[HartfordWhalers]

Back in the Day, maybe Philadelphia would sell second round picks with the actual transaction completed in the new league/season.

If the LAL - Orlando trade is completed this year/season (2021-22), maybe the Lakers might spend a bit of future Cash (2022-23) on another 2022 second round pick.

I still think this is the most illegal thing I have seen the NBA allow.

Draft this player at #46 (or wherever) for me during June. I had no idea you were drafting them. Oh, It is now July. Can I pay you for that player?

The Ridnour salary laddering is the only possible competition.

[pacers33granger]

You do know that Cojo hate breaks most posters sanity right?

I only like him because his nickname sounds like CuJo who was one of the better goalies that played for the leafs

I haven't suffered from Cojo-itis directly, but from what has been reported, he seems to be a backup pg that stabilizes a team (and wins unnecessary coach love) by dribbling for 20 seconds and preventing all their budding all star bench prospects from ever getting a chance to do anything and then randomly hot potato-ing some excellent diamond in the rough by forcing them to take a shot they will miss and ruining their stats (and confidence). He single handedly has set teams back years and forever stunted future stars.

The last player I can think of with such strong takes I didn't fully understand was Dion, and that was those people clinging to him and sinking on his island.

I am a known hater and the above is accurate (to a point). He's a god awful pg who can't pass or shoot. He made a living on defense but he's also just not good on that end either.

He didn't cause issues for any "prospects" for Indy though we didn't have any really. Was just excruciating to watch and I say that as a fan who grew up on Mark Jackson routinely spending a shot clock backing someone down.

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[MoneyTalks41890]

Don't know the legitimacy of the source, but...

What would the Spurs have received from the Hawks in the proposed trade?
First of all, I’m told that Collins wasn’t headed to the Spurs in the deal that was discussed yesterday. Collins was being sent to a third team. That team, believed to also be in the Western Conference, was set to send further draft compensation to the Spurs.

In total, San Antonio was in line to get at least four first round picks in return for Murray.

https://www.spurstalk.com/dejounte-murray-trade-rumor-atlanta-hawks/

It makes sense. I don't know what the other salary from ATL here would be though. Maybe Huerter or Bogdanovic?

ATL out: Collins, X, 16, 2023 CHA 1st (16/14/14), 2023 ATL 1st, 2025 ATL 1st
ATL in: Barnes, Murray

SAC out: Barnes, 2023 SAC 1st top 8 prot
SAC in: Collins

SAS out: Murray
SAS in: X, 16, 2023 SAC 1st top 8 prot, 2023 CHA 1st (16/14/14), 2023 ATL 1st, 2025 ATL 1st

[Dadouv47]

it's time for the dominoes to fall

[City of Trees]

Everything around Sacramento feels like the Kings are taking Murray. I won't be upset at the pick but it is disappointing they didn't optimize the value of #4

[Resistance]

Back in the Day, maybe Philadelphia would sell second round picks with the actual transaction completed in the new league/season.

If the LAL - Orlando trade is completed this year/season (2021-22), maybe the Lakers might spend a bit of future Cash (2022-23) on another 2022 second round pick.

I still think this is the most illegal thing I have seen the NBA allow.

Draft this player at #46 (or wherever) for me during June. I had no idea you were drafting them. Oh, It is now July. Can I pay you for that player?

The Ridnour salary laddering is the only possible competition.

Is it really that different than teams doing verbal deals at the time of the draft and then completing them in July (next season/year)?

When Philadelphia traded Holiday to New Orleans, I believe that New Orleans picked Noel per instructions from Philadelphia and then they completed the trade in July because of an increase in Holiday's salary being factored in as part of the deal.

[hugepatsfan]

Playing detective and connecting the dots for some Celtics rumors...

I bet the Knicks would trade down from #11 to offload Fournier's full deal, but doubtful they would give up #11. So the reports of BOS trying to get GS's pick and being willing to talk about Grant/Pritchard might be part of a plan to get those picks for NYK to trade down to.

There were talks they liked Eason who projects to be a mid 1st from what I've seen.

Also some reports we're interested in Nic Batum who would play a stretch 4 kind of role that Grant Williams plays.

How about this combination of moves:

1) Trade Grant for a pick in the 20s, Pritchard for an early to mid 2nd rounder. Comparable for Grant would be Landry Shamet trades for a pick round there as a role player. Reason someone gives a 2nd for Pritchard is to avoid using the MLE for that type of 9th/10th man low salary guy that you hope a 2nd rounder turns into.

2) Trade those picks acquired in #1 to NYK for #11 and taking Fournier off their hands into the Fournier TPE

3) use the MLE on Batum (or maybe OPJ?) to replace Grant as the stretch 4 off the bench

Smart / White
Brown / Fournier
Tatum
Horford / Batum
R WIlliams / Theis

plus the player you draft at #11. Presumably a guy that you either want starting at PF long-term after Horford, or maybe a SG/SF that you want to have long term to build around with more Tatum at PF (and Brown maybe moving to SF if it's a SG you draft).

[HartfordWhalers]

Back in the Day, maybe Philadelphia would sell second round picks with the actual transaction completed in the new league/season.

If the LAL - Orlando trade is completed this year/season (2021-22), maybe the Lakers might spend a bit of future Cash (2022-23) on another 2022 second round pick.

I still think this is the most illegal thing I have seen the NBA allow.

Draft this player at #46 (or wherever) for me during June. I had no idea you were drafting them. Oh, It is now July. Can I pay you for that player?

The Ridnour salary laddering is the only possible competition.

Is it really that different than teams doing verbal deals at the time of the draft and then completing them in July (next season/year)?

When Philadelphia traded Holiday to New Orleans, I believe that New Orleans picked Noel per instructions from Philadelphia and then they completed the trade in July because of an increase in Holiday's salary being factored in as part of the deal.

Imo yes. The latter has always been a thing. You agree to a deal, but then need the financing to work so wait a week or two. It is optimizing/making the cap math work but the spirit of the laws are the same, you just agreed to it in advance.

The former is, you are legally restricted in how much cash you can bring in, so you pretend to not agree to a deal yet draft exactly who you are told to. It is getting more money in cash per calendar year than allowed. Might not be a big deal as it beggars the next year so you self handicap as a result of it; but bringing in 11m in the same year {as Philly did} is absolutely floating the max cash in per year rule.

Philly did a bunch of stuff like that while tanking, where they fully exploited league rules {brilliantly/evilly} and the waiver claim on TRob is up there and led to a formal rule change.

I'm of the belief that exploiting rules up to the limit is just smart, but the selling 2nds next calendar year still strikes me as over a line (and not that I cared about the seconds).

[MoneyTalks41890]

Per Smitty the Thunder have 23.4m in 21-22 cap remaining. Get your offers in now

[ejftw]

Playing detective and connecting the dots for some Celtics rumors...

I bet the Knicks would trade down from #11 to offload Fournier's full deal, but doubtful they would give up #11. So the reports of BOS trying to get GS's pick and being willing to talk about Grant/Pritchard might be part of a plan to get those picks for NYK to trade down to.

There were talks they liked Eason who projects to be a mid 1st from what I've seen.

Also some reports we're interested in Nic Batum who would play a stretch 4 kind of role that Grant Williams plays.

How about this combination of moves:

1) Trade Grant for a pick in the 20s, Pritchard for an early to mid 2nd rounder. Comparable for Grant would be Landry Shamet trades for a pick round there as a role player. Reason someone gives a 2nd for Pritchard is to avoid using the MLE for that type of 9th/10th man low salary guy that you hope a 2nd rounder turns into.

2) Trade those picks acquired in #1 to NYK for #11 and taking Fournier off their hands into the Fournier TPE

3) use the MLE on Batum (or maybe OPJ?) to replace Grant as the stretch 4 off the bench

Smart / White
Brown / Fournier
Tatum
Horford / Batum
R WIlliams / Theis

plus the player you draft at #11. Presumably a guy that you either want starting at PF long-term after Horford, or maybe a SG/SF that you want to have long term to build around with more Tatum at PF (and Brown maybe moving to SF if it's a SG you draft).

Based off of everything Batum has said, I find it very unlikely he leaves the Clippers, and with RoCo's recent post showing that he's battling some mental health concerns, it adds to the unlikeliness the Clippers FO doesn't do what they can to keep him.

But hey, if you want a stretch four, Marcus Morris fits the TPE iirc

[gambitx777]

Everything around Sacramento feels like the Kings are taking Murray. I won't be upset at the pick but it is disappointing they didn't optimize the value of #4

When Detroit takes Ivy and some how gets John Collins and Ayton. That rebuild gonna sky rocket !

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