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Re: Trade offers for Darius Garland? 

Post#121 » by Euphonetiks » Thu May 16, 2024 10:40 pm

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Zeno wrote:As I mentioned in another thread Garland,Ty Jerome for KAT could work and get the Wolves almost completely out of the tax. It would then be down to the Cavs trading one of Mobley or Allen for a 3.


If Pel's keep Ingram, trade Allen for Herb

Mitchell
Struss
Herb
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Mobley

I like the fit a lot better and think they could compete in the East.


Pels, and likely the vast majority of teams, would value Herb over Allen. With Herb’s improved perimeter shooting and elite on-ball defense, he’s a very good pairing with Zion. I don’t see a path where we would trade Herb for a rim-runner/rim-protector big.
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Post#122 » by eitanr » Thu May 16, 2024 11:43 pm

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babyjax13 wrote:Not even close and Ivey is a TERRIBLE fit with Mitchell.


I'd be wary of taking on Garland if I am someone else. The comparisons to a young D-lo are interesting and concerning. Does he need to be your highest usage rate guy to be effective? I don't love that he was not effective playing off Mitchell. His trajectory feels like Kemba Walker.


Curious that you want your team to trade for him then.


I wouldn't want Detroit trading for him. But, I could see a FO looking for a quick win in hopes of making a flirtation with the play in being tempted to so (i.e. what they would do vs. what I think they should do). This Pistons team was rumored to be interested in Murray and Lavine at the deadline, this seems on brand considering.
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Post#123 » by jbk1234 » Thu May 16, 2024 11:45 pm

Based on the offers posted here, I wouldn't be shocked if Garland gets dealt for LBJ and a couple firsts.
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Re: Trade offers for Darius Garland? 

Post#124 » by Slim Charless » Fri May 17, 2024 12:28 am

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Maybe I shouldn’t have said super star.

I would include them for a player at Mitchell’s level but not Garland.

Bridges is certainly on the table in the right scenario.


Again. Like I said Luka, Giannis and Embiid level players aren't a possibility for the Nets. I just don't see why 1 of those players....or anyone else on their level would come there.

Mitchell is probably the highest level of player quality you can expect back. It appears that he might be re-signing with Cleveland.


There are 3 reasons actually.

New. York. City.

Anything else is just icing on the cake.


Knicks will be far higher on any list than you guys as far as Biid, Luka and Giannis are concerned. Like I said, I think the best you can get is Mitchell.
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Post#125 » by Slava » Fri May 17, 2024 6:16 am

jbk1234 wrote:Based on the offers posted here, I wouldn't be shocked if Garland gets dealt for LBJ and a couple firsts.


You mean Cleveland is adding picks? Because I don’t see a scenario where the lakers are trading the better player and picks for their trouble and I don’t see Lebron declining to a level worse than garland even in the next two seasons.
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Post#126 » by babyjax13 » Fri May 17, 2024 6:24 am

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jbk1234 wrote:Based on the offers posted here, I wouldn't be shocked if Garland gets dealt for LBJ and a couple firsts.


You mean Cleveland is adding picks? Because I don’t see a scenario where the lakers are trading the better player and picks for their trouble and I don’t see Lebron declining to a level worse than garland even in the next two seasons.

Obviously everything is unprecedented with LeBron, but he is 39 right now and will be 40 next season. Jordan at 39 averaged 20 a game then retired - I think that is the nearest comp in terms of 'quality of longevity.' At some point he has to slow down, and I think now is the moment to assume it will happen. (Malone at 39: 21/8/5, at 40: 13/9/4; Duncan at 39: 9/7/3; Kareem at 39: 18/7/3; 40: 15/6/2; 41: 10/5/1)

I am sure LeBron will be the best 40 year old player ever, just like he was the best 39 year old player ever - but in terms of trade value I don't think his > Garland to most teams. Maybe for a couple just because if you feel like your window is *right now* LeBron has a better chance to get you there + sales.
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Re: Trade offers for Darius Garland? 

Post#127 » by TheBrooklynKidd » Fri May 17, 2024 11:03 am

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Again. Like I said Luka, Giannis and Embiid level players aren't a possibility for the Nets. I just don't see why 1 of those players....or anyone else on their level would come there.

Mitchell is probably the highest level of player quality you can expect back. It appears that he might be re-signing with Cleveland.


There are 3 reasons actually.

New. York. City.

Anything else is just icing on the cake.


Knicks will be far higher on any list than you guys as far as Biid, Luka and Giannis are concerned. Like I said, I think the best you can get is Mitchell.


Sure but will they make the cap space necessary to sign those guys? They’re about to be locked into this core once Brunson and OG get their deals.

When it comes to trade assets they certainly can’t compete with Brooklyn.
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Post#128 » by toooskies » Fri May 17, 2024 11:27 am

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jbk1234 wrote:Based on the offers posted here, I wouldn't be shocked if Garland gets dealt for LBJ and a couple firsts.


You mean Cleveland is adding picks? Because I don’t see a scenario where the lakers are trading the better player and picks for their trouble and I don’t see Lebron declining to a level worse than garland even in the next two seasons.

In this scenario LeBron has opted out of his contract and LA is simply happy to take back value.
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Re: Trade offers for Darius Garland? 

Post#129 » by Slava » Fri May 17, 2024 11:32 am

toooskies wrote:
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jbk1234 wrote:Based on the offers posted here, I wouldn't be shocked if Garland gets dealt for LBJ and a couple firsts.


You mean Cleveland is adding picks? Because I don’t see a scenario where the lakers are trading the better player and picks for their trouble and I don’t see Lebron declining to a level worse than garland even in the next two seasons.

In this scenario LeBron has opted out of his contract and LA is simply happy to take back value.


Yes, so long as they are not the ones attaching picks.
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Re: Trade offers for Darius Garland? 

Post#130 » by toooskies » Fri May 17, 2024 11:59 am

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You mean Cleveland is adding picks? Because I don’t see a scenario where the lakers are trading the better player and picks for their trouble and I don’t see Lebron declining to a level worse than garland even in the next two seasons.

In this scenario LeBron has opted out of his contract and LA is simply happy to take back value.


Yes, so long as they are not the ones attaching picks.

You don't get Darius Garland just because you're willing to facilitate. You might get neutral salary and a pick or two.
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Post#131 » by Skybox » Fri May 17, 2024 12:27 pm

I'll get shelled...probably from both sides, but:

ORL sends: Franz Wagner, Mo Wagner, Cole Anthony (combined salary for next season $28m), DEN 25 frp, ORL 27 frp (Top 5 protection)
CLE sends: Garland, Allen (combined salary for next season $56.7m)

CLE gets the perfect 3 (who can slide 1-4, even at a long 6'10) for the future, still on a rookie deal. His brother is a solid, physical bench big and an excellent PnR finisher- he could actually play a complementary, offensive-minded big PF next to Mobley. Cole provides 3rd guard scoring off the bench and excellent rebounding for a guard. Two frps and a LOT of cap space saved - assuming Mitchell has a handshake, they can go shopping in FA first, then extend him. Allen is great for CLE, but only when Mobley is out - if they're choosing one, they go with Mobley's upside and youth. Garland is a valuable player, but severely diminished in Mitchell's giant shadow and, as a result, will forever appear way overpaid in CLE. CLE shouldn't be sad when Garland goes off for big numbers elsewhere - because they know Mitchell is a much bigger fish. Same goes for ORL, wistfully admiring Franz' progress and wondering what could have been. Franz looks like a Top 50 (or better) guy, as well rounded on both ends as anyone and very unlikely to be defined by his disappointing shooting in his first playoff series. He's a fantastic complement to Donovan's fierce offensive style.

Agonizing for ORL to consider moving off Franz, but team-building is first. Allen is a perfect C next to Paolo, finishing his drop offs, rebounding and rim protecting at an elite level at a reasonable price point. Franz is angling for a (deserved) near-max extension this summer, so ORL FO has to consider long-term investment in balancing their lineup. Garland is, offensively, just what ORL ordered...a guy who can go for 40 on any given night, but not such a dominant presence that he limits Paolo's growth as a star (like Trae would, for example).
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Post#132 » by BK_2020 » Fri May 17, 2024 12:47 pm

Garland's scored 40 or more just 4 times in his career, which is a little over 1% of his games. I wouldn't say he's a guy who can go for 40 on any given night, even if he's probably better than how he's looked this season.
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Post#133 » by toooskies » Fri May 17, 2024 1:26 pm

Skybox wrote:I'll get shelled...probably from both sides, but:

ORL sends: Franz Wagner, Mo Wagner, Cole Anthony (combined salary for next season $28m), DEN 25 frp, ORL 27 frp (Top 5 protection)
CLE sends: Garland, Allen (combined salary for next season $56.7m)

CLE gets the perfect 3 (who can slide 1-4, even at a long 6'10) for the future, still on a rookie deal. His brother is a solid, physical bench big and an excellent PnR finisher- he could actually play a complementary, offensive-minded big PF next to Mobley. Cole provides 3rd guard scoring off the bench and excellent rebounding for a guard. Two frps and a LOT of cap space saved - assuming Mitchell has a handshake, they can go shopping in FA first, then extend him. Allen is great for CLE, but only when Mobley is out - if they're choosing one, they go with Mobley's upside and youth. Garland is a valuable player, but severely diminished in Mitchell's giant shadow and, as a result, will forever appear way overpaid in CLE. CLE shouldn't be sad when Garland goes off for big numbers elsewhere - because they know Mitchell is a much bigger fish. Same goes for ORL, wistfully admiring Franz' progress and wondering what could have been. Franz looks like a Top 50 (or better) guy, as well rounded on both ends as anyone and very unlikely to be defined by his disappointing shooting in his first playoff series. He's a fantastic complement to Donovan's fierce offensive style.

Agonizing for ORL to consider moving off Franz, but team-building is first. Allen is a perfect C next to Paolo, finishing his drop offs, rebounding and rim protecting at an elite level at a reasonable price point. Franz is angling for a (deserved) near-max extension this summer, so ORL FO has to consider long-term investment in balancing their lineup. Garland is, offensively, just what ORL ordered...a guy who can go for 40 on any given night, but not such a dominant presence that he limits Paolo's growth as a star (like Trae would, for example).

The Cleveland fanbase doesn't love Mo Wagner after that playoff series.

The issue with any Allen trade is that while you clear a logjam at the 5, you create a hole at the 4. Mo doesn't properly fill that hole in the starting lineup.

The Cavs could use their ensuing trade exception and a 1st to get a low-level starter at the 4 (maybe the Denver 1st for Harrison Barnes?). Let Barnes and Wade battle for minutes, and use Mo as the backup 5.

It still feels like a big talent downgrade in Cleveland.
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Post#134 » by DowJones » Fri May 17, 2024 1:44 pm

toooskies wrote:
Skybox wrote:I'll get shelled...probably from both sides, but:

ORL sends: Franz Wagner, Mo Wagner, Cole Anthony (combined salary for next season $28m), DEN 25 frp, ORL 27 frp (Top 5 protection)
CLE sends: Garland, Allen (combined salary for next season $56.7m)

CLE gets the perfect 3 (who can slide 1-4, even at a long 6'10) for the future, still on a rookie deal. His brother is a solid, physical bench big and an excellent PnR finisher- he could actually play a complementary, offensive-minded big PF next to Mobley. Cole provides 3rd guard scoring off the bench and excellent rebounding for a guard. Two frps and a LOT of cap space saved - assuming Mitchell has a handshake, they can go shopping in FA first, then extend him. Allen is great for CLE, but only when Mobley is out - if they're choosing one, they go with Mobley's upside and youth. Garland is a valuable player, but severely diminished in Mitchell's giant shadow and, as a result, will forever appear way overpaid in CLE. CLE shouldn't be sad when Garland goes off for big numbers elsewhere - because they know Mitchell is a much bigger fish. Same goes for ORL, wistfully admiring Franz' progress and wondering what could have been. Franz looks like a Top 50 (or better) guy, as well rounded on both ends as anyone and very unlikely to be defined by his disappointing shooting in his first playoff series. He's a fantastic complement to Donovan's fierce offensive style.

Agonizing for ORL to consider moving off Franz, but team-building is first. Allen is a perfect C next to Paolo, finishing his drop offs, rebounding and rim protecting at an elite level at a reasonable price point. Franz is angling for a (deserved) near-max extension this summer, so ORL FO has to consider long-term investment in balancing their lineup. Garland is, offensively, just what ORL ordered...a guy who can go for 40 on any given night, but not such a dominant presence that he limits Paolo's growth as a star (like Trae would, for example).

The Cleveland fanbase doesn't love Mo Wagner after that playoff series.

The issue with any Allen trade is that while you clear a logjam at the 5, you create a hole at the 4. Mo doesn't properly fill that hole in the starting lineup.

The Cavs could use their ensuing trade exception and a 1st to get a low-level starter at the 4 (maybe the Denver 1st for Harrison Barnes?). Let Barnes and Wade battle for minutes, and use Mo as the backup 5.

It still feels like a big talent downgrade in Cleveland.


I think Dean Wade is your starting 4. I would offer Wade a 2 year/$20 million extension this summer and tell him he is the starting 4. I would spend the off-season gassing him up and telling him to be prepared to shoot as many 3's a game as he can. Wade is an ideal low-level starting 4 in a situation like Cleveland's. He can shoot from distance, he quickly passes when he isn't open, he is a solid rebounder, he won't get abused by any 4 in the paint, and he can switch out on perimeter players and not be totally exposed.
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Post#135 » by DowJones » Fri May 17, 2024 1:46 pm

Skybox wrote:I'll get shelled...probably from both sides, but:

ORL sends: Franz Wagner, Mo Wagner, Cole Anthony (combined salary for next season $28m), DEN 25 frp, ORL 27 frp (Top 5 protection)
CLE sends: Garland, Allen (combined salary for next season $56.7m)

CLE gets the perfect 3 (who can slide 1-4, even at a long 6'10) for the future, still on a rookie deal. His brother is a solid, physical bench big and an excellent PnR finisher- he could actually play a complementary, offensive-minded big PF next to Mobley. Cole provides 3rd guard scoring off the bench and excellent rebounding for a guard. Two frps and a LOT of cap space saved - assuming Mitchell has a handshake, they can go shopping in FA first, then extend him. Allen is great for CLE, but only when Mobley is out - if they're choosing one, they go with Mobley's upside and youth. Garland is a valuable player, but severely diminished in Mitchell's giant shadow and, as a result, will forever appear way overpaid in CLE. CLE shouldn't be sad when Garland goes off for big numbers elsewhere - because they know Mitchell is a much bigger fish. Same goes for ORL, wistfully admiring Franz' progress and wondering what could have been. Franz looks like a Top 50 (or better) guy, as well rounded on both ends as anyone and very unlikely to be defined by his disappointing shooting in his first playoff series. He's a fantastic complement to Donovan's fierce offensive style.

Agonizing for ORL to consider moving off Franz, but team-building is first. Allen is a perfect C next to Paolo, finishing his drop offs, rebounding and rim protecting at an elite level at a reasonable price point. Franz is angling for a (deserved) near-max extension this summer, so ORL FO has to consider long-term investment in balancing their lineup. Garland is, offensively, just what ORL ordered...a guy who can go for 40 on any given night, but not such a dominant presence that he limits Paolo's growth as a star (like Trae would, for example).


I don't think Spida would like this and I think it makes Orlando a real problem for us in the East. I would pass as a Cavs fan.
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Post#136 » by toooskies » Fri May 17, 2024 1:48 pm

DowJones wrote:
toooskies wrote:
Skybox wrote:I'll get shelled...probably from both sides, but:

ORL sends: Franz Wagner, Mo Wagner, Cole Anthony (combined salary for next season $28m), DEN 25 frp, ORL 27 frp (Top 5 protection)
CLE sends: Garland, Allen (combined salary for next season $56.7m)

CLE gets the perfect 3 (who can slide 1-4, even at a long 6'10) for the future, still on a rookie deal. His brother is a solid, physical bench big and an excellent PnR finisher- he could actually play a complementary, offensive-minded big PF next to Mobley. Cole provides 3rd guard scoring off the bench and excellent rebounding for a guard. Two frps and a LOT of cap space saved - assuming Mitchell has a handshake, they can go shopping in FA first, then extend him. Allen is great for CLE, but only when Mobley is out - if they're choosing one, they go with Mobley's upside and youth. Garland is a valuable player, but severely diminished in Mitchell's giant shadow and, as a result, will forever appear way overpaid in CLE. CLE shouldn't be sad when Garland goes off for big numbers elsewhere - because they know Mitchell is a much bigger fish. Same goes for ORL, wistfully admiring Franz' progress and wondering what could have been. Franz looks like a Top 50 (or better) guy, as well rounded on both ends as anyone and very unlikely to be defined by his disappointing shooting in his first playoff series. He's a fantastic complement to Donovan's fierce offensive style.

Agonizing for ORL to consider moving off Franz, but team-building is first. Allen is a perfect C next to Paolo, finishing his drop offs, rebounding and rim protecting at an elite level at a reasonable price point. Franz is angling for a (deserved) near-max extension this summer, so ORL FO has to consider long-term investment in balancing their lineup. Garland is, offensively, just what ORL ordered...a guy who can go for 40 on any given night, but not such a dominant presence that he limits Paolo's growth as a star (like Trae would, for example).

The Cleveland fanbase doesn't love Mo Wagner after that playoff series.

The issue with any Allen trade is that while you clear a logjam at the 5, you create a hole at the 4. Mo doesn't properly fill that hole in the starting lineup.

The Cavs could use their ensuing trade exception and a 1st to get a low-level starter at the 4 (maybe the Denver 1st for Harrison Barnes?). Let Barnes and Wade battle for minutes, and use Mo as the backup 5.

It still feels like a big talent downgrade in Cleveland.


I think Dean Wade is your starting 4. I would offer Wade a 2 year/$20 million extension this summer and tell him he is the starting 4. I would spend the off-season gassing him up and telling him to be prepared to shoot as many 3's a game as he can. Wade is an ideal low-level starting 4 in a situation like Cleveland's. He can shoot from distance, he quickly passes when he isn't open, he is a solid rebounder, he won't get abused by any 4 in the paint, and he can switch out on perimeter players and not be totally exposed.

It would be great if you could count on Dean Wade to be the starting 4 but he has never shown the ability to stay healthy. You need at least one more guy at that spot that isn't Georges Niang.

Hmm, maybe #20 + DEN 2025 1st for DFS...
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Post#137 » by DowJones » Fri May 17, 2024 1:58 pm

toooskies wrote:
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toooskies wrote:The Cleveland fanbase doesn't love Mo Wagner after that playoff series.

The issue with any Allen trade is that while you clear a logjam at the 5, you create a hole at the 4. Mo doesn't properly fill that hole in the starting lineup.

The Cavs could use their ensuing trade exception and a 1st to get a low-level starter at the 4 (maybe the Denver 1st for Harrison Barnes?). Let Barnes and Wade battle for minutes, and use Mo as the backup 5.

It still feels like a big talent downgrade in Cleveland.


I think Dean Wade is your starting 4. I would offer Wade a 2 year/$20 million extension this summer and tell him he is the starting 4. I would spend the off-season gassing him up and telling him to be prepared to shoot as many 3's a game as he can. Wade is an ideal low-level starting 4 in a situation like Cleveland's. He can shoot from distance, he quickly passes when he isn't open, he is a solid rebounder, he won't get abused by any 4 in the paint, and he can switch out on perimeter players and not be totally exposed.

It would be great if you could count on Dean Wade to be the starting 4 but he has never shown the ability to stay healthy. You need at least one more guy at that spot that isn't Georges Niang.

Hmm, maybe #20 + DEN 2025 1st for DFS...


I agree with you on availability. There always seems to be one nagging issue or another with Wade. That is why I think an extension/raise/added responsibility could help. Maybe he pushes through some minor pain if he knows how relied upon he is.

I think that Den 2025 first should be enough to turn Niang into DFS. I wouldn't trade 2 firsts for him. DFS only has 1 year left on his deal.
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Post#138 » by jbk1234 » Fri May 17, 2024 2:14 pm

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jbk1234 wrote:Based on the offers posted here, I wouldn't be shocked if Garland gets dealt for LBJ and a couple firsts.


You mean Cleveland is adding picks? Because I don’t see a scenario where the lakers are trading the better player and picks for their trouble and I don’t see Lebron declining to a level worse than garland even in the next two seasons.


I don't really want to trade Garland for LBJ at all. I think it's pretty foolish for a team to tie up $100M in cap space on a guy turning 40 and who doesn't have another half a step to lose. Obviously, this trade wouldn't just be about the next two years as Garland is 24 and locked up. If the Lakers wouldn't add a couple picks, the Cavs move on.
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Post#139 » by oldncreaky » Fri May 17, 2024 3:02 pm

Skybox wrote:I'll get shelled...probably from both sides, but:

ORL sends: Franz Wagner, Mo Wagner, Cole Anthony (combined salary for next season $28m), DEN 25 frp, ORL 27 frp (Top 5 protection)
CLE sends: Garland, Allen (combined salary for next season $56.7m)

CLE gets the perfect 3 (who can slide 1-4, even at a long 6'10) for the future, still on a rookie deal. His brother is a solid, physical bench big and an excellent PnR finisher- he could actually play a complementary, offensive-minded big PF next to Mobley. Cole provides 3rd guard scoring off the bench and excellent rebounding for a guard. Two frps and a LOT of cap space saved - assuming Mitchell has a handshake, they can go shopping in FA first, then extend him. Allen is great for CLE, but only when Mobley is out - if they're choosing one, they go with Mobley's upside and youth. Garland is a valuable player, but severely diminished in Mitchell's giant shadow and, as a result, will forever appear way overpaid in CLE. CLE shouldn't be sad when Garland goes off for big numbers elsewhere - because they know Mitchell is a much bigger fish. Same goes for ORL, wistfully admiring Franz' progress and wondering what could have been. Franz looks like a Top 50 (or better) guy, as well rounded on both ends as anyone and very unlikely to be defined by his disappointing shooting in his first playoff series. He's a fantastic complement to Donovan's fierce offensive style.

Agonizing for ORL to consider moving off Franz, but team-building is first. Allen is a perfect C next to Paolo, finishing his drop offs, rebounding and rim protecting at an elite level at a reasonable price point. Franz is angling for a (deserved) near-max extension this summer, so ORL FO has to consider long-term investment in balancing their lineup. Garland is, offensively, just what ORL ordered...a guy who can go for 40 on any given night, but not such a dominant presence that he limits Paolo's growth as a star (like Trae would, for example).


As an outsider, I think that's a pretty fair trade for both
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Re: Trade offers for Darius Garland? 

Post#140 » by Slava » Fri May 17, 2024 3:55 pm

jbk1234 wrote:
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jbk1234 wrote:Based on the offers posted here, I wouldn't be shocked if Garland gets dealt for LBJ and a couple firsts.


You mean Cleveland is adding picks? Because I don’t see a scenario where the lakers are trading the better player and picks for their trouble and I don’t see Lebron declining to a level worse than garland even in the next two seasons.


I don't really want to trade Garland for LBJ at all. I think it's pretty foolish for a team to tie up $100M in cap space on a guy turning 40 and who doesn't have another half a step to lose. Obviously, this trade wouldn't just be about the next two years as Garland is 24 and locked up. If the Lakers wouldn't add a couple picks, the Cavs move on.


I think Lebron with half a step less is still a better player than Garland could ever be and I don’t see the lakers doing the Cavs a favor by agreeing to a sign and trade, taking a step back and adding a couple of picks for that trouble. That’s the kind of offer Daryl Morey makes for fun to canvass trade values for his spreadsheet.
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