It's Houston (Shams: KD to Houston for Green, Brooks, 10, and 5 seconds)

[DirtyDez]

Dillon Brooks on a lottery team is a bad idea. Suns should be shopping him to a playoff team that needs 3&D.

[giberish]

Dillon Brooks on a lottery team is a bad idea. Suns should be shopping him to a playoff team that needs 3&D.

The Suns FO believe that they're a playoff team.

[daoneandonly]

Why would PHX get a trash player to get worse from the team that owns their picks?

[Billl]

Wow. I didn’t think the suns would get much of a return, but this is brutal. Are they trying to ru n out a lineup of all 2s and 3s?

[SkyHook]

Dillon Brooks on a lottery team is a bad idea. Suns should be shopping him to a playoff team that needs 3&D.

The Suns FO believe that they're a playoff team.

I could think that I'm the emperor of the known universe, but that wouldn't make it true.

[the_process]

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No sane person would think that could possibly work out well, especially with Beal (and Allen) also at SG.

Which either means that the Suns FO is posturing to get a better deal for Green (which should have been lined up before agreeing to this deal - it was still going to be available next week) or else the Suns FO is even dumber then widely believed - which boggles the mind.

I thought this was crazy, then I saw the WT about PHX plans to “trade” or buy out Beal.

Buying out Beal will be just hysterical. A stretch waive would be peak insanity.

[Domejandro]

Phoenix is 100% bummed that they couldn’t go with Minnesota’s offer, because this is pretty terrible. They actually would have been better off with the Julius Randle package, but unfortunately for both teams, Kevin Durant really wanted to go back to Texas.

Phoenix definitely needs some follow-ups to fix this mess, but Houston is STACKED.

Fred VanVleet /
Amen Thompson / Reed Sheppard
Kevin Durant /
Jabari Smith / Tari Eason
Alperin Şengün / Steven Adams / Jock Landale

Probably want to slide Kevin Durant down to Power-Forward, but as a general framework, pretty killer squad. Losing Jalen Green is additional by subtraction.

[JMAC3]

Biggest loser in the deal imo is Miami. They really kept Jovic and Jacquez over getting KD.

Suns did alright to me. Brooks can play the 4, Green getting advice from Booker and Beal actually is intriguing to me. 10th pick is the best pick talked about in these deals among 10-14-17-20, so not down this.

10 brooks and Green is better than 14,Barnes and Vassell to me.

Houston is a win but also think Green and Brooks are big losses for them. Houston defense takes a hit to me because KD is now the three? Don’t love that, also Houston guard rotation looks pretty weak to me now.

Honestly with Jabari and Eason extension eligible I would have rather kept 10 over Jabari if I were Houston.

[jredsaz]

I get the want to do right by superstars - but it feels like Phoenix could’ve got more value elsewhere.

And I think I was pretty low on KD.

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Sure, not surprised at all. Suns fans are shocked because they had ridiculous expectations, at the end of the day this was a 37 year old player on an expiring deal actively pushing teams out, it was a horrible position to negotiate from and overall I don't think they did too bad all things considered.

For the Spurs in particular, I think it’s an opportunity missed.

[jredsaz]

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No sane person would think that could possibly work out well, especially with Beal (and Allen) also at SG.

Which either means that the Suns FO is posturing to get a better deal for Green (which should have been lined up before agreeing to this deal - it was still going to be available next week) or else the Suns FO is even dumber then widely believed - which boggles the mind.

I thought this was crazy, then I saw the WT about PHX plans to “trade” or buy out Beal.

Buying out Beal will be just hysterical. A stretch waive would be peak insanity.

Oh, just wait, Ishbia is cooking. There will be hysterics

[Lenneth]

Dang, Suns' top 7 payrolls are all 6'4"-6'6" players for 197 mils. Perfect for Wingstop commercial...

[jredsaz]

Dang, Suns' top 7 payrolls are all 6'4"-6'6" players for 197 mils. Perfect for Wingstop commercial...

I really hope there is a 6’5” or under guard who the Suns can draft at 10 who helps the team align their roster…

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[Darren]

The League has promised the top pick in this lopsided trade. But can Phoenix keep the pick ?

[RollingWave]

Why would PHX get a trash player to get worse from the team that owns their picks?

There's a pretty reasonable chance they play better next year, because it's hard to play worse, player chemistry does matter.

Heard some local phoenix reporter say their plan is to waive / trade Beal, that would probably help their roster to make a lot more sense, they'll probably also trade Grayson too.

They'd probably draft a center like Sorber right? that would make their team a lot more balanced, so something like Green / Booker / Dillon / Dunn / Sorber, at least it's a lineup that make some sense together.

Green isn't a trash player, he hasn't lived up to the slot so far, but he's been plenty effective, just not consistently so. He's actually answered a lot of the questions about him coming out (he shoots pretty well off the catch, he defends way better than most guys of this archtype.) , the problem is the thing people think he'll be great at he hasn't actually been that so far, and he also do very different things than Booker which would be interesting. Also, I think average non-rockets watchers don't appreciate the Ime Udoka's offensive scheme over the last two years has basically been built around his defensive scheme, i.e he's deliberatly avoiding plays that has a higher chance of getting them caught in bad transition setups, which obviously really hurts their offensive players who's game is about going to the cup. (Even Sengun is going a lot less faceup game then before for this reason.)

Now obiviously, there are some things Jalen needs to do, he was actually quite aggressive in drawing fouls in year 2, but in the Ime era that has just vanished and he became a much more contact averse guy for some reason (maybe it's because Ime rather see him miss then turn it over in a scrum falling down or something.), his handle isn't as tight as it looks on paper and he doesn't always handle ball pressure well, still, there's a very real chance that a different coach / scheme and just development and he at least hit like a lower all star level or something, that would hardly be unthinkable.

Surely, this isn't like a great great haul for the Suns, but this was always going to happen given the leverage, I know the media and a even a lot of fans here seem to think Houston's front office is run by Vlade Divacs or something, but basically the only thing that Stone has been somewhat questionable on is the KPJ saga and it wasn't THAT insane without hindsight. (and he did structure the deal in a way that hedged very hard and eventually ended up trading him for Adams who was huge for them.). Other wise he's been extremely good with trades and contract structures, and have have a better than average hit rate on drafts so far and develop most of their guys pretty well, meanwhile the Phoenix FO is in shambles with a new owner who's really messing things up, I don't know why anyone assumed the team with a bunch of super young guys run by Stone coming off a great season would be the desperate team here as some suggestions have looked like.

[jredsaz]

Dillon Brooks on a lottery team is a bad idea. Suns should be shopping him to a playoff team that needs 3&D.

The Suns FO believe that they're a playoff team.

Suns got a lot more work to do but I can’t wait for a Devin Booker led team without any expectations or all time greats running next to him. They could be 13 in the West but I’m excited to see what he does.

[gswhoops]

What's the PHX depth chart look like rn?

C: Richards, Oso
PF: Dunn
SF: Brooks, O'Neale, (Martin)
SG: Booker, Green, Beal, Allen
PG: (Micic)

Assuming Micic and Martin get let go which is why they're in parens. Seems like any position other than SG should be on the table for the #10 pick.

[JMAC3]

What's the PHX depth chart look like rn?

C: Richards, Oso
PF: Dunn
SF: Brooks, O'Neale, (Martin)
SG: Booker, Green, Beal, Allen
PG: (Micic)

Assuming Micic and Martin get let go which is why they're in parens. Seems like any position other than SG should be on the table for the #10 pick.

Yeah I like Egor Demin at 10th for Phoenix, he gives them SF size but PG skills and he isn't going to take shots away from their glut of guards.
Then with 29 take Yanic Konan or Kalkbrenner.

PG: Booker, Beal
SG: Green, Allen
SF: Egor, Oneal
PF: Brooks, Dunn
C: Richards, Kalkbrenner, Oso

[taikibansei]

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So glad we didn't trade for this bum....

When the trade details first came out, I'd thought about bumping the three threads here where posters warned that they had "bookmarked" my posts stating that KD wasn't going to return much for reuse later (when they'd ostensibly prove me wrong). Yeah.

Now, though, I just feel too sad to do it. Sucks to be a Suns fan...though at least you have a coach (unlike the Knicks.... )!

[taikibansei]

Heard some local phoenix reporter say their plan is to waive / trade Beal, that would probably help their roster to make a lot more sense, they'll probably also trade Grayson too..

If Beal were that easy to get rid of, he'd be gone already. Waiving/stretching Beal doesn't really help the Suns financially, and I doubt that they're going to be able to trade him (without adding ruinous incentives). Probably best to just ride out the last two years of that awful contract....

[daoneandonly]

Even Udoka who coached Green admits the price was low leading to the trade. Most coaches won't say such a thing as it could eb taken as throwing players under the bus, so we have to be honest about who Green is