Ben Simmons Containment Thread Take 3

[the_process]

My new prediction:

Simmons to Sacramento
FVV & Hield to Philly
Mitchell, Maxey & Bagley to Raps

That’s just not enough for Philly to move Simmons.

[HotelVitale]

My new prediction:

Simmons to Sacramento
FVV & Hield to Philly
Mitchell, Maxey & Bagley to Raps

That’s just not enough for Philly to move Simmons.

They’re also giving up maxey here, in exchange for Hield I guess? That’s a pretty rough one to swallow.

[Soulyss]

I still think some Toronto deal is the most likely, but that is only if the Kangz continue to balk at Fox... If SAC is willing to deal Fox, I think he goes there.

[the_process]

The Sixers are in a win-now Mode and Buddy Hield is probably the best player that they can get in any trade...so I would say the Kings.

Buddy Hield, Marvin Bagley and a lottery protected FRP for Ben Simmons. No Maxey involved.

If Maxey is added to the trade the Kings would need to send another FRP to the Sixers.

What kind of winning have Hield accomplished in his career..?

Hield is a great scorer and in his prime. Bagley is a good young player with untapped potential. Add a pick and I think that is a solid package for Simmons at his salary.

Bagley is a bust. Hield is negative value. Simmons is definitely not negative value, even now.

If you want to send just those two for Ben, IMO it’s 3 1sts (two unprotected, one lotto protected) and 2 swaps.

If Sacto wants to add Ben cheaply as possible? A good way to start is to add value by offering a Barnes-Tobias swap. Build out from there.

[Slim Tubby]

KAT for Simmons straight up.

Philly adds talent and goes twin towers plus KAT likes to play from outside anyways.

Minnesota enters a new era building around Edwards and Simmons making defense a priority. They can also trade DLO later.

I counter with Embiid for Josh Okogie. Philly can build around the terrific contracts of Simmons and Harris.

Please don’t insult the board with horrific takes.


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[Saberestar]

What kind of winning have Hield accomplished in his career..?

Hield is a great scorer and in his prime. Bagley is a good young player with untapped potential. Add a pick and I think that is a solid package for Simmons at his salary.

Bagley is a bust. Hield is negative value. Simmons is definitely not negative value, even now.

If you want to send just those two for Ben, IMO it’s 3 1sts (two unprotected, one lotto protected) and 2 swaps.

If Sacto wants to add Ben cheaply as possible? A good way to start is to add value by offering a Barnes-Tobias swap. Build out from there.

I think Simmons value is not that high. That offer that I was suggesting is more than fair IMO.

Well, in less than a month we will know his truth value around the league and what package he brings to the Sixers.

[Telfaire]

My new prediction:

Simmons to Sacramento
FVV & Hield to Philly
Mitchell, Maxey & Bagley to Raps

That’s just not enough for Philly to move Simmons.

They’re also giving up maxey here, in exchange for Hield I guess? That’s a pretty rough one to swallow.

"not enough" is still better than nothing, which is what Philly would get from the current, ongoing situation.

Maxey is not been given "in exchange for Hield", he's been given because Simmons by himself is not worth FVV, at this point.

[BlazersBroncos]

I dont think Hield is negative value for PHI. He would be a great fit at SG.

Getting FVV and Buddy for Simmons would be a good move. FVV has already shown enough to be a #3 on a championship team and Hield as a #4 is tremendous. The thing is, does FVV bring enough shot creation to be 'the man' in crunch time? I dont think so. And I think thats what PHI needs in any Ben Simmons deal.

[Lovetron Joe]

Beasley, filler and late 1sts for Ben is on the same level as Embiid for Josh Okogie.

[Telfaire]

I dont think Hield is negative value for PHI. He would be a great fit at SG.

Getting FVV and Buddy for Simmons would be a good move. FVV has already shown enough to be a #3 on a championship team and Hield as a #4 is tremendous. The thing is, does FVV bring enough shot creation to be 'the man' in crunch time? I dont think so. And I think thats what PHI needs in any Ben Simmons deal.

He brings enough 'shot willingless', unlike the player he's traded for...who can be 'the man' acquired for Simmons? CJ? I believe the Sixers should preffer FVV's 2-way game over CJ's shot creation. FVV-Hield-Tobias-Embiid have enough firepower to make it work in crunch time, IMO.

[kuclas]

This sort of implies bringing Simmons to Portland to play with Lillard. I'm good with the idea, but 76ers fans don't seem to like anything that Portland has outside of Dame. At this point, I'm also not sure that Morey would trade Simmons to Portland without getting Lillard back. Feels like too much egg on his face to settle for CJ McCollum+stuff.

I was implying the same. At some point maybe morey decides he likes his young guys enough that it’s more worth it to get Cj+++ and keep them then to MAYBE at best get Dame if he’s available

Yea. It's hard to sift through the bullcrap of reports and fan lowball offers. But I do think that McCollum+RoCo+picks should be more appealing to the 76ers than the Beasley+stuff+picks or Hield+stuff+picks offers I'm seeing in this thread. However, Fox should probably be 1a for the 76ers. That just doesn't seem like it's on the table though. I don't think a Portland offer built around CJ+RoCo is "bad"... I think it makes the 76ers better and probably makes Portland better as well... However, It's hard to see Morey accepting it after all the Lillard talk. Though I don't think a Lillard trade built around Simmons and stuff was ever really potentially on the table.

It is interesting though that when I go into the 76ers forums there's a bunch of members there who just can't for the life of them escape "the process" mindset. The amount of posters who want SUPER YOUNG picks and prospects for Simmons baffles me. The 76ers just extended Embiid.... trying to rebuild again is a recipe for utter disaster. There's a lot of dubious analysis going on about trading Simmons for a package that can be used to acquire Lillard later, but if you trade Simmons to GSW for example and Kaminga sucks all season... and Wiseman doesn't take a step forward... you're stuck with an utter disaster, a bunch of assets that massively depreciated and are even further from getting an all-star level player that fits better to replace Simmons.

That's the same as you portland fans want. Picks plus propsects. Every teams wants that.

Simmons is a better player than CJ (at least for regular season). He's younger.

CJ is not a true point guard. Sixers need that.

Agree that trying to do a two part trade with Simmons for assets (than trying to move those asset later is utter non sense)

Sixers don't want to rebuild so not interested in picks in the future.

CJ plus Covington is meh. Covington is a very frustrating player. He does some nice things than makes bone headed plays. He's been doing that his entire career.

[Lovetron Joe]

In a major upset, Simmons is about to mend fences with the Sixers a la Zach Ertz and the Eagles. Embiid's tweets were the first step in that process. There are no trades out there that make the Sixers a better team.

[Lovetron Joe]

I was implying the same. At some point maybe morey decides he likes his young guys enough that it’s more worth it to get Cj+++ and keep them then to MAYBE at best get Dame if he’s available

Yea. It's hard to sift through the bullcrap of reports and fan lowball offers. But I do think that McCollum+RoCo+picks should be more appealing to the 76ers than the Beasley+stuff+picks or Hield+stuff+picks offers I'm seeing in this thread. However, Fox should probably be 1a for the 76ers. That just doesn't seem like it's on the table though. I don't think a Portland offer built around CJ+RoCo is "bad"... I think it makes the 76ers better and probably makes Portland better as well... However, It's hard to see Morey accepting it after all the Lillard talk. Though I don't think a Lillard trade built around Simmons and stuff was ever really potentially on the table.

It is interesting though that when I go into the 76ers forums there's a bunch of members there who just can't for the life of them escape "the process" mindset. The amount of posters who want SUPER YOUNG picks and prospects for Simmons baffles me. The 76ers just extended Embiid.... trying to rebuild again is a recipe for utter disaster. There's a lot of dubious analysis going on about trading Simmons for a package that can be used to acquire Lillard later, but if you trade Simmons to GSW for example and Kaminga sucks all season... and Wiseman doesn't take a step forward... you're stuck with an utter disaster, a bunch of assets that massively depreciated and are even further from getting an all-star level player that fits better to replace Simmons.

That's the same as you portland fans want. Picks plus propsects. Every teams wants that.

Simmons is a better player than CJ (at least for regular season). He's younger.

CJ is not a true point guard. Sixers need that.

Agree that trying to do a two part trade with Simmons for assets (than trying to move those asset later is utter non sense)

Sixers don't want to rebuild so not interested in picks in the future.

CJ plus Covington is meh. Covington is a very frustrating player. He does some nice things than makes bone headed plays. He's been doing that his entire career.

Yes, and in the playoffs opposing team's offenses will hunt for CJ. That is simply trading one problem for another. Ben's chances of improving his free throw shooting > CL becoming a decent defender.

[MoneyTalks41890]

Simmons is worth more than FVV. That’s not a particularly close call.

[BlazersBroncos]

Are we sure FVV is even on the table? For all his playmaking I think Ben is still best served as the secondary shot creator, who takes a bit role as primary creator when the #1 guy is off the floor (For example, on Portland he plays primary ballhandler the 14-16 minutes Dame isnt on the court).

I think the vast, vast majority of Ben's value comes with his defense. He is an animal on defense, against small scoring PGs to bigger PFs. He can even switch on C and guard well. He is just so gifted in that regard. But on the flip his offense is so poor that he needs to be on a team w/ 2+ 20ppg scorers IMO.

[BlazersBroncos]

I would bet my last dollar that the Ben Simmons return isnt better than CJ + Covington.

[DroseReturnChi]

I would bet my last dollar that the Ben Simmons return isnt better than CJ + Covington.

the return doesnt matter if its CJ because he is a downgrade. ben simmons is a sunk cost if he cant get a upper echelon.
the best morey can do is trade for kings and get all the unprotected picks so he can trade those for a future disgruntled star.
i hope they get fox or at least hali but kings have gotten attached it wont be easy.
i like morey is a perfectionist we would rather let simmons walk and play COD rather than for get downgrades and get 0% for a title. same reason why he declined brogdon.

[MoneyTalks41890]

Can Portland even trade a pick? The pick in the Nance trade was lottery protected until 2028 after which it turns into a 2nd, if I recall correctly

True. I guess I thought it was protected for only 2 years. However, I'd argue that considering the protection never lightens, it's likely that Chicago would agree to a lifting of the protection, and that was discussed prior to the trade if Portland finds a deal they like.

The CBA guys on here insist that they can as long as it's worded 2 years after that first conveys.

To me, CJ+RoCo+ 2 future 1sts is what Philly should settle for. Or Little and one 1st.

[DroseReturnChi]

so heres my take abt simmons. all the contenders know morey made a huge blunder and will give these ridiculous lowball offers but morey will lose his job if he takes one so he wont trade. im betting at least one desperate lotto team like the cavs throw the kitchen sink for simmons and maxey. it will be something like sexton plus every unprotected picks or another lottery team that offers it to make playoffs.

yr 3 garland, 20+ ppg lauri, simmons, mobley, allen is a scary 7ft group that reminds me of the nuggets thats a top 5 core under 25.

[gambitx777]

Kings


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