Ben Simmons Containment Thread Take 3

[Crives]

Suns trade:
Ayton + Dario + Jae

Suns receive:
Ben Simmons + PJ Washington

Sixers trade:
Ben

Sixers receive:
Gordon Hayward

Hornets trade:
PJ + Gordon

Hornets receive:
Ayton + Dario + Jae


Why?

First, as a suns fans, I don’t think I could really trade Ayton, especially after what he just did in the playoffs. But maybe Monty Williams is the one guy who can revive Bens career. If Ben can buy into being a full time center surrounded by shooting, maybe this is worth discussing.

Philly-
Get a really good win now piece who can initiate the offense in Gordon Hayward. If you are willing to trade Simmons for CJ, you should be excited to trade for Gordon.

Hornets-
Get their veteran leader in crowder for the young guys, while getting their 2nd young star to pair with Lamelo in Ayton.

[eminence]

I am surprised at Portland being so heavily favored in the odds, but wouldn't mind seeing it at all (assuming it's not a Dame deal)

[Sportfan73]

I dont think Milton and a FRP gets you Sexton. Also think OKC should keep a guy like Kenrich around over taking a flyer in Bagley.

We will agree to disagree on Sexton. Curious why you think he's got more value than a top 8 protected pick where protections decline and a cheap backup guard?

I based the Bagley portion on posts from Thunder fans. I agree that they are due another 2nd here and Philly should probably be paying it.

Could give Cleveland springer and shake?

[Texas Chuck]

Suns trade:
Ayton + Dario + Jae

Suns receive:
Ben Simmons + PJ Washington

Sixers trade:
Ben

Sixers receive:
Gordon Hayward

Hornets trade:
PJ + Gordon

Hornets receive:
Ayton + Dario + Jae


Why?

First, as a suns fans, I don’t think I could really trade Ayton, especially after what he just did in the playoffs. But maybe Monty Williams is the one guy who can revive Bens career. If Ben can buy into being a full time center surrounded by shooting, maybe this is worth discussing.

Philly-
Get a really good win now piece who can initiate the offense in Gordon Hayward. If you are willing to trade Simmons for CJ, you should be excited to trade for Gordon.

Hornets-
Get their veteran leader in crowder for the young guys, while getting their 2nd young star to pair with Lamelo in Ayton.

I have Simmons for Hayward as tragically bad for Philly. And Hayward for Ayton as insanely good for Charlotte. And I like Gordon Hayward.

[Slim Tubby]

The FT thing is only a problem if you are like Philly and don't have another primary ballhandler. For instance in Portland at the close of tight games, Dame is going to have the ball. In Minnesota Edwards/Russell can have the ball. Kings have 3 PG's at least 2 of which would figure to remain, etc...

Guess who else had the ball a bunch and struggled to shoot FT's -- Giannis. And guess who else a huge chunk of this website claimed couldn't win in the playoffs because he couldn't shoot? Now, no I am not in any way claiming Ben Simmons is the caliber of player Giannis is, he clearly isn't. But he is illustrative that these flaws aren't always as fatal as you guys want to claim.

Astonishing how once a narrative takes hold, some of you just can't let it go. Meanwhile other players have even more fatal weaknesses than Simmons and you view them as incredibly valuable. It's just absolutely bizarre.

Chuck…if you were Philly’s GM, which package of players do you think would be most beneficial this season?

SAC - Barnes & Hield

MIN - Beasley, Beverly & Prince


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[Sportfan73]

The FT thing is only a problem if you are like Philly and don't have another primary ballhandler. For instance in Portland at the close of tight games, Dame is going to have the ball. In Minnesota Edwards/Russell can have the ball. Kings have 3 PG's at least 2 of which would figure to remain, etc...

Guess who else had the ball a bunch and struggled to shoot FT's -- Giannis. And guess who else a huge chunk of this website claimed couldn't win in the playoffs because he couldn't shoot? Now, no I am not in any way claiming Ben Simmons is the caliber of player Giannis is, he clearly isn't. But he is illustrative that these flaws aren't always as fatal as you guys want to claim.

Astonishing how once a narrative takes hold, some of you just can't let it go. Meanwhile other players have even more fatal weaknesses than Simmons and you view them as incredibly valuable. It's just absolutely bizarre.

Chuck…if you were Philly’s GM, which package of players do you think would be most beneficial this season?

SAC - Barnes & Hield

MIN - Beasley, Beverly & Prince


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Either one of those packages would need to come with a minimum of 3 firsts and 3 swaps. And the firsts would need to be borderline unprotected

[Texas Chuck]

The FT thing is only a problem if you are like Philly and don't have another primary ballhandler. For instance in Portland at the close of tight games, Dame is going to have the ball. In Minnesota Edwards/Russell can have the ball. Kings have 3 PG's at least 2 of which would figure to remain, etc...

Guess who else had the ball a bunch and struggled to shoot FT's -- Giannis. And guess who else a huge chunk of this website claimed couldn't win in the playoffs because he couldn't shoot? Now, no I am not in any way claiming Ben Simmons is the caliber of player Giannis is, he clearly isn't. But he is illustrative that these flaws aren't always as fatal as you guys want to claim.

Astonishing how once a narrative takes hold, some of you just can't let it go. Meanwhile other players have even more fatal weaknesses than Simmons and you view them as incredibly valuable. It's just absolutely bizarre.

Chuck…if you were Philly’s GM, which package of players do you think would be most beneficial this season?

SAC - Barnes & Hield

MIN - Beasley, Beverly & Prince


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I would keep Simmons over either of those and just deal with it. But in answering the question which players help me most just for one season? I'd take the Kings package. Barnes offers a bit more than Beasley and Hield a bit more than Prince/PatBev.

Now assuming those are just the matching contracts and multiple 1sts would be included by each team to reach the value of Simmons I would take the Wolves offer, keep Beasley and look to flip the expirings of Bev and Prince along with assets for a point guard. Hield would be much more difficult to flip.

So for winning now if I had to keep the players, the Kings. For value, I'd rather have the matching from Minny.

[Sportfan73]

The FT thing is only a problem if you are like Philly and don't have another primary ballhandler. For instance in Portland at the close of tight games, Dame is going to have the ball. In Minnesota Edwards/Russell can have the ball. Kings have 3 PG's at least 2 of which would figure to remain, etc...

Guess who else had the ball a bunch and struggled to shoot FT's -- Giannis. And guess who else a huge chunk of this website claimed couldn't win in the playoffs because he couldn't shoot? Now, no I am not in any way claiming Ben Simmons is the caliber of player Giannis is, he clearly isn't. But he is illustrative that these flaws aren't always as fatal as you guys want to claim.

Astonishing how once a narrative takes hold, some of you just can't let it go. Meanwhile other players have even more fatal weaknesses than Simmons and you view them as incredibly valuable. It's just absolutely bizarre.

Chuck…if you were Philly’s GM, which package of players do you think would be most beneficial this season?

SAC - Barnes & Hield

MIN - Beasley, Beverly & Prince


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I would keep Simmons over either of those and just deal with it. But in answering the question which players help me most just for one season? I'd take the Kings package. Barnes offers a bit more than Beasley and Hield a bit more than Prince/PatBev.

Now assuming those are just the matching contracts and multiple 1sts would be included by each team to reach the value of Simmons I would take the Wolves offer, keep Beasley and look to flip the expirings of Bev and Prince along with assets for a point guard. Hield would be much more difficult to flip.

So for winning now if I had to keep the players, the Kings. For value, I'd rather have the matching from Minny.

Ending up with Beasley/sexton or something would be intriguing. Obviously not as intriguing as sexton/Haliburton but still two guys who have proven they can score/shoot and still have potential

[Crives]

Suns trade:
Ayton + Dario + Jae

Suns receive:
Ben Simmons + PJ Washington

Sixers trade:
Ben

Sixers receive:
Gordon Hayward

Hornets trade:
PJ + Gordon

Hornets receive:
Ayton + Dario + Jae


Why?

First, as a suns fans, I don’t think I could really trade Ayton, especially after what he just did in the playoffs. But maybe Monty Williams is the one guy who can revive Bens career. If Ben can buy into being a full time center surrounded by shooting, maybe this is worth discussing.

Philly-
Get a really good win now piece who can initiate the offense in Gordon Hayward. If you are willing to trade Simmons for CJ, you should be excited to trade for Gordon.

Hornets-
Get their veteran leader in crowder for the young guys, while getting their 2nd young star to pair with Lamelo in Ayton.

I have Simmons for Hayward as tragically bad for Philly. And Hayward for Ayton as insanely good for Charlotte. And I like Gordon Hayward.

Needs some work.

If you don’t like Hayward for Ben, guessing you really don’t like CJ for Ben?

[Texas Chuck]

guessing you really don’t like CJ for Ben?

I absolutely hate it. Obviously if that deal went down Portland would be adding all the draft incentive they could legally include one would have to think.

[Myth]

guessing you really don’t like CJ for Ben?

I absolutely hate it. Obviously if that deal went down Portland would be adding all the draft incentive they could legally include one would have to think.

I personally cap out at adding 2 1sts with CJ for Simmons, and even then would rather it be a 1st plus Simons or Little. He is too much risk offensively and flight risk to give up all of our future picks for him.

[Texas Chuck]

guessing you really don’t like CJ for Ben?

I absolutely hate it. Obviously if that deal went down Portland would be adding all the draft incentive they could legally include one would have to think.

I personally cap out at adding 2 1sts with CJ for Simmons, and even then would rather it be a 1st plus Simons or Little. He is too much risk offensively and flight risk to give up all of our future picks for him.

Totally fine. But that means no Simmons in Portland imo. Just would be a horrific sacrifice of value by the Sixers to trade Simmons for a worse player, a mediocre prospect and one first round pick.

[Myth]

I absolutely hate it. Obviously if that deal went down Portland would be adding all the draft incentive they could legally include one would have to think.

I personally cap out at adding 2 1sts with CJ for Simmons, and even then would rather it be a 1st plus Simons or Little. He is too much risk offensively and flight risk to give up all of our future picks for him.

Totally fine. But that means no Simmons in Portland imo. Just would be a horrific sacrifice of value by the Sixers to trade Simmons for a worse player, a mediocre prospect and one first round pick.

Yeah, I'm not holding my breath for such a trade to happen. I think 76ers best case scenario is if they patch things over with Simmons, but it doesn't seem that will happen.

[Slim Tubby]

The FT thing is only a problem if you are like Philly and don't have another primary ballhandler. For instance in Portland at the close of tight games, Dame is going to have the ball. In Minnesota Edwards/Russell can have the ball. Kings have 3 PG's at least 2 of which would figure to remain, etc...

Guess who else had the ball a bunch and struggled to shoot FT's -- Giannis. And guess who else a huge chunk of this website claimed couldn't win in the playoffs because he couldn't shoot? Now, no I am not in any way claiming Ben Simmons is the caliber of player Giannis is, he clearly isn't. But he is illustrative that these flaws aren't always as fatal as you guys want to claim.

Astonishing how once a narrative takes hold, some of you just can't let it go. Meanwhile other players have even more fatal weaknesses than Simmons and you view them as incredibly valuable. It's just absolutely bizarre.

Chuck…if you were Philly’s GM, which package of players do you think would be most beneficial this season?

SAC - Barnes & Hield

MIN - Beasley, Beverly & Prince


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Either one of those packages would need to come with a minimum of 3 firsts and 3 swaps. And the firsts would need to be borderline unprotected

I should’ve stated that both offers come with equal 2-3 FRP’s. I was trying to get a valuation from Philly fans on the players that might be involved. My bad.


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[Norm2953]

It's quite likely Portland has a standing offer of CJ + either Roco or Picks to Philly for Simmons and
has been waiting all summer for Philly to pull the trigger. Let's see if something gets done when they
get closer to the opening of training camps.

[Slim Tubby]

The FT thing is only a problem if you are like Philly and don't have another primary ballhandler. For instance in Portland at the close of tight games, Dame is going to have the ball. In Minnesota Edwards/Russell can have the ball. Kings have 3 PG's at least 2 of which would figure to remain, etc...

Guess who else had the ball a bunch and struggled to shoot FT's -- Giannis. And guess who else a huge chunk of this website claimed couldn't win in the playoffs because he couldn't shoot? Now, no I am not in any way claiming Ben Simmons is the caliber of player Giannis is, he clearly isn't. But he is illustrative that these flaws aren't always as fatal as you guys want to claim.

Astonishing how once a narrative takes hold, some of you just can't let it go. Meanwhile other players have even more fatal weaknesses than Simmons and you view them as incredibly valuable. It's just absolutely bizarre.

Chuck…if you were Philly’s GM, which package of players do you think would be most beneficial this season?

SAC - Barnes & Hield

MIN - Beasley, Beverly & Prince


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I would keep Simmons over either of those and just deal with it. But in answering the question which players help me most just for one season? I'd take the Kings package. Barnes offers a bit more than Beasley and Hield a bit more than Prince/PatBev.

Now assuming those are just the matching contracts and multiple 1sts would be included by each team to reach the value of Simmons I would take the Wolves offer, keep Beasley and look to flip the expirings of Bev and Prince along with assets for a point guard. Hield would be much more difficult to flip.

So for winning now if I had to keep the players, the Kings. For value, I'd rather have the matching from Minny.

Solid explanation, TC…thanks!


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[6ersfolife]

Suns trade:
Ayton + Dario + Jae

Suns receive:
Ben Simmons + PJ Washington

Sixers trade:
Ben

Sixers receive:
Gordon Hayward

Hornets trade:
PJ + Gordon

Hornets receive:
Ayton + Dario + Jae


Why?

First, as a suns fans, I don’t think I could really trade Ayton, especially after what he just did in the playoffs. But maybe Monty Williams is the one guy who can revive Bens career. If Ben can buy into being a full time center surrounded by shooting, maybe this is worth discussing.

Philly-
Get a really good win now piece who can initiate the offense in Gordon Hayward. If you are willing to trade Simmons for CJ, you should be excited to trade for Gordon.

Hornets-
Get their veteran leader in crowder for the young guys, while getting their 2nd young star to pair with Lamelo in Ayton.

The Sixers are not trading Ben and taking Gordon Heyward....You were serious......Ben will sit and we will find out if he and klutch are willing to lose almost 40 million. Morey is no fool, we will make a deal later when teams realize they aren't winning with what they have and we can get a fair offer. You guys think because Morey asked too high that he is going to take Pennies on the dollar because you somehow want to punish us....Yeah right

[toooskies]

Chuck…if you were Philly’s GM, which package of players do you think would be most beneficial this season?

SAC - Barnes & Hield

MIN - Beasley, Beverly & Prince


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I would keep Simmons over either of those and just deal with it. But in answering the question which players help me most just for one season? I'd take the Kings package. Barnes offers a bit more than Beasley and Hield a bit more than Prince/PatBev.

Now assuming those are just the matching contracts and multiple 1sts would be included by each team to reach the value of Simmons I would take the Wolves offer, keep Beasley and look to flip the expirings of Bev and Prince along with assets for a point guard. Hield would be much more difficult to flip.

So for winning now if I had to keep the players, the Kings. For value, I'd rather have the matching from Minny.

Solid explanation, TC…thanks!


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If only Minnesota didn't flip Rubio for Prince, they'd have a PG to trade. Shrewd move by Cleveland to sabotage Minnesota!

[beb0p]

Okay my attempt at a Simmons deal. I have the Kings as the best team for him.

Thunder trade: Kenrich Williams
Thunder get: Bagley, 22 SAC 2nd(55-60 protected)

Cavs trade: Sexton
Cavs get: Shake Milton, 22 Kings 1st(top 8, top 6, top 4, 2 2nds)

Kings trade: Barnes/Haliburton/Bagley/22 1st/22 2nd
Kings get: Ben Simmons/Kenrich Williams

Sixers trade: Ben Simmons/Shake Milton
Sixers get: Haliburton/Sexton/Barnes

Thunder get a 2nd and take a flier on Bagley
Cavs get a good pick for Sexton and Milton provides them a bench scoring threat to pair with Rubio
Kings go get a 2nd star to pair with Fox and Williams provides some important forward depth
Sixers get two talented young guards for Simmons and a good solid combo forward

Flame away

No from Sacramento. Haliburton is not on the table.

The thing is, I don't think the Kings want Simmons that badly - he'd be an odd fit on the Kings and the GM's crushes are guys who can shoot.

Would the Kings be happy to have Simmons for pennies on the dollar? Sure. But they're not going all out on a mission of Simmons-or-bust. Which is a long winded way of saying I highly doubt he will end up in Sacramento.

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[Texas Chuck]

No from Sacramento. Haliburton is not on the table.

The thing is, I don't think the Kings want Simmons that badly - he'd be an odd fit on the Kings and the GM's crushes are guys who can shoot.

Would the Kings be happy to have Simmons for pennies on the dollar? Sure. But they're not going all out on a mission of Simmons-or-bust. Which is a long winded way of saying I highly doubt he will end up in Sacramento.

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Fair enough. I absolutely understand the hesitancy to include Haliburton.