Rumors, Random Thoughts, and Non-threadworthy Posts The 19th Hole

[jayjaysee]

If Miami wanted Beal.. It wouldn’t hurt that much to trim 10 mil off Terry..

And if that did hurt too much, it wouldn’t hurt too much to trim 2-4 mil off Terry and then dump Simone.

Don’t think they are out on Beal at all..

But I would like to see Beal in Milwaukee. I know they don’t have full MLE, so Beal makes less money this season but he gets to be second option to Giannis… And then they can give him the full MLE next summer, even if it’s a 1+1po again next summer to establish early bird rights..

Expect Beal in LAC though.

i think miami is out unless norm is ok with coming off the bench in a walk year (doubtful)

Just was responding to post saying Miami is out due to financials. Seems like Beal is signing with Clips so doesn’t matter much.

Powell came off the bench two years in a row before last and didn’t seem to be a problem? Only started like 40% of the games for his career..

But I think Miami can get away with enough minutes with Powell at the three that they’d all get plenty of opportunity.

[Godaddycurse]

If Miami wanted Beal.. It wouldn’t hurt that much to trim 10 mil off Terry..

And if that did hurt too much, it wouldn’t hurt too much to trim 2-4 mil off Terry and then dump Simone.

Don’t think they are out on Beal at all..

But I would like to see Beal in Milwaukee. I know they don’t have full MLE, so Beal makes less money this season but he gets to be second option to Giannis… And then they can give him the full MLE next summer, even if it’s a 1+1po again next summer to establish early bird rights..

Expect Beal in LAC though.

i think miami is out unless norm is ok with coming off the bench in a walk year (doubtful)

Just was responding to post saying Miami is out due to financials. Seems like Beal is signing with Clips so doesn’t matter much.

Powell came off the bench two years in a row before last and didn’t seem to be a problem? Only started like 40% of the games for his career..

But I think Miami can get away with enough minutes with Powell at the three that they’d all get plenty of opportunity.

Powell wasn't an expiring back then.. think he cares more about his minutes this year than previous 2. Wiggins/Highsmith should take up most of the minutes at the 3

[Bornstellar]

anyone know what the Spurs are doing?

It's like they are half committed to being a competitive team and half not.

Huh? They clearly plan on being a competitive team. They addressed a huge area of need (bench bigs/shooting), and added two rookies who at least one of should be able to contribute positively. Not to mention adding a fully healthy Fox with a summer training with the team under his belt + getting a healthy Wemby back. Spurs still have two open roster spots too. They are making incremental improvements. It's clear they are not trying to go all out yet but are being patient but they should still be much improved from this past year. I expect them to be in the playoff mix next season

Don't think they made any serious competitive moves though. More like a couple moves on the edges.

Are they going to extend Fox at the max? 4 years $230m?

They don't need to make serious moves yet though...they traded for Fox last season, that was their big move, and we haven't really seen much of him or Victor together plus the few games he did play, he played with an injury on his shooting hand that required surgery. Before trading for Fox, the Spurs were playing competitive ball. Their #4 pick won ROY, they lucked into the #2 pick in the draft this season, and they addressed some front court depth issues that were very badly needed. They have also upgraded their coaching staff and brought in guys who specialize in defense. These may seem like moves on the edges but I don't think the Spurs are desperate to go all-in just yet. I think they have made some solid additions and are banking on health + internal improvement next season which I don't think is unreasonable.

Spurs need to worry about making the playoffs before they worry about going all-in to compete for a championship, imo

[oldncreaky]

Thoughts on the Pistons signing Malik Beasley to a 3yr deal with only the first year guaranteed, strictly for salary matching purposes in a trade? He meets all of the criteria for a sign and trade. Only has early Bird rights, up to $7.2MM.

Might never get another contract at this point and he could use the money.

I think that contract would be a risk the moment it is signed.

Beasley is 12 months removed from DET taking him in a salary dump because MIL couldn't get anything positive trading Beasley on an expiring $6M contract. So while he had a career year in 2024-25, if we assume Beasley reverts to his career normal level of play, you don't want to pay him more than the TPMLE so that you can dump him cheaply if/when he under-performs.

I've got Beasley at $7M at fair value -- IF he did not have a legal sword of Damocles hanging over his head from the gambling investigation that could turn it into dead money.

[kobe_vs_jordan]

Sadly seem like there was an argeeement to keep Jeanie as governor for 5 more years.

[Scoot McGroot]

Thoughts on the Pistons signing Malik Beasley to a 3yr deal with only the first year guaranteed, strictly for salary matching purposes in a trade? He meets all of the criteria for a sign and trade. Only has early Bird rights, up to $7.2MM.

Might never get another contract at this point and he could use the money.

I think that contract would be a risk the moment it is signed.

Beasley is 12 months removed from DET taking him in a salary dump because MIL couldn't get anything positive trading Beasley on an expiring $6M contract. So while he had a career year in 2024-25, if we assume Beasley reverts to his career normal level of play, you don't want to pay him more than the TPMLE so that you can dump him cheaply if/when he under-performs.

I've got Beasley at $7M at fair value -- IF he did not have a legal sword of Damocles hanging over his head from the gambling investigation that could turn it into dead money.

I have a hunch the league wouldn’t approve a contract for Beasley while he’s under investigation for gambling.

[SkyHook]

Thoughts on the Pistons signing Malik Beasley to a 3yr deal with only the first year guaranteed, strictly for salary matching purposes in a trade? He meets all of the criteria for a sign and trade. Only has early Bird rights, up to $7.2MM.

Might never get another contract at this point and he could use the money.

I think that contract would be a risk the moment it is signed.

Beasley is 12 months removed from DET taking him in a salary dump because MIL couldn't get anything positive trading Beasley on an expiring $6M contract. So while he had a career year in 2024-25, if we assume Beasley reverts to his career normal level of play, you don't want to pay him more than the TPMLE so that you can dump him cheaply if/when he under-performs.

I've got Beasley at $7M at fair value -- IF he did not have a legal sword of Damocles hanging over his head from the gambling investigation that could turn it into dead money.

Yeah, I wasn't thinking to play him, just literally for salary matching in a trade.

[SkyHook]

Thoughts on the Pistons signing Malik Beasley to a 3yr deal with only the first year guaranteed, strictly for salary matching purposes in a trade? He meets all of the criteria for a sign and trade. Only has early Bird rights, up to $7.2MM.

Might never get another contract at this point and he could use the money.

I think that contract would be a risk the moment it is signed.

Beasley is 12 months removed from DET taking him in a salary dump because MIL couldn't get anything positive trading Beasley on an expiring $6M contract. So while he had a career year in 2024-25, if we assume Beasley reverts to his career normal level of play, you don't want to pay him more than the TPMLE so that you can dump him cheaply if/when he under-performs.

I've got Beasley at $7M at fair value -- IF he did not have a legal sword of Damocles hanging over his head from the gambling investigation that could turn it into dead money.

I have a hunch the league wouldn’t approve a contract for Beasley while he’s under investigation for gambling.

That could certainly complicate things.

[MoneyTalks41890]

It’s just really hard for me to wrap my head around $75m seasons more broadly, but even with that the Book extension seems like it’s going to be a mistake.

[Ell Curry]

Is a kuzma for Immanuel quickley swap crazy for the bucks? Quickley overpaid but he a good fit for the bucks.

It's crazy for Toronto. IQ is much better than Kuzma and fills a clear position for the Raptors. Mil doesn't have the assets to make such a swap.

Benefits for raptors is not paying IQ 130 /4 . Could reset by paying kuzma 42/2. Not sure either player positive assets on their contracts

Raptors have to pay Ochai Agbaand Grady in the next two off seasons. Goal is raptors avoid tax.

Same concept could work for Barrett but trading him doesn't really help dodge taxes long term. Could dodge it next season with a Kuzma Barret swap. Gets a little muddy after that once Grady need a deal

Gradey is a terrible defender and Walter looked promising as a rookie and Agbaji had a solid year as a 3+D type. Shead is probably a 3rd PG (small, never improved efficiency in 4 years in college, but he's a dog and has good speed so he's probably someone who sticks around as a deep bench guy). We'd have nothing there without Quickley.

I could see RJ for Kuzma just to save 7M next summer, but we're still probably hoping to compete for Giannis so maybe no for that alone.

Right now, Raptors would be right up to the tax for 2026-27 if Agbaji leaves and the Raptors pick lower than 7th. We'll probably pick in the 10 range again.

So my guess would be Agbaji gets moved at this coming deadline for a few 2nd rounders to some Western contender with a trade exception and the Raptors dodge the tax by pennies, like Agbaji to the Warriors for 3 2nd rounders type of thing. It gives Walter another 50 games or so of the NBA season to learn before moving into the rotation full-time.

If we can get rid of RJ by trading him for a useless 2026 expiring like Rozier, then we could match an Agbaji MLE offer or get him slightly cheaper, use the full MLE next summer on a PG or C and draft the other with our 1st, I guess. It's a low-upside team unless Scottie suddenly becomes a genuine star, but it has depth at least:

Poeltl - MLE/2026 1st
Barnes - Murray-Boyles
Ingram - Dick
Agbaji - Walter
Quickley - MLE/2026 1st

and Mogbo, Battle and Shead all make sense as 11th-13th deeper bench guys.

[babyjax13]

Should Boston just stretch Simons? It is 13.8 million per year this season and next and gets them under the first apron.

[Godaddycurse]

Should Boston just stretch Simons? It is 13.8 million per year this season and next and gets them under the first apron.

Would simons accept a buy out? can probably make tax MLE back elsewhere

[babyjax13]

Should Boston just stretch Simons? It is 13.8 million per year this season and next and gets them under the first apron.

Would simons accept a buy out? can probably make tax MLE back elsewhere

Maybe? If I were him I would not. Either pay me my full salary this year or stretch me and I'll go wherever I want to rehabilitate my value for next offseason.

[djFan71]

Should Boston just stretch Simons? It is 13.8 million per year this season and next and gets them under the first apron.

Would simons accept a buy out? can probably make tax MLE back elsewhere

I've definitely thought about that. I think it's an option, but I think they exhaust all others first. Ideally BOS uses his salary and a pick to get someone they want going forward. Even more ideally, someone tall.

If he's still in BOS at the deadline and hasn't magically learned to play D and no suitors appear, I could see a buyout / stretch possibility.

[tester551]

Should Boston just stretch Simons? It is 13.8 million per year this season and next and gets them under the first apron.

Would simons accept a buy out? can probably make tax MLE back elsewhere

I've definitely thought about that. I think it's an option, but I think they exhaust all others first. Ideally BOS uses his salary and a pick to get someone they want going forward. Even more ideally, someone tall.

If he's still in BOS at the deadline and hasn't magically learned to play D and no suitors appear, I could see a buyout / stretch possibility.

Can't do that. If a player is going to be waived and the cap hit stretched -> they have to be waived by the end if August...
Celtics have ~7 weeks to make that happen before it is no longer an option

[baldur]

Boston got nothing for holiday, horford, kornet and porzingis in return. Amazing.

[Mavrelous]

Boston got nothing for holiday, horford, kornet and porzingis in return. Amazing.

They got more than I expected TBH...

[djFan71]

Would simons accept a buy out? can probably make tax MLE back elsewhere

I've definitely thought about that. I think it's an option, but I think they exhaust all others first. Ideally BOS uses his salary and a pick to get someone they want going forward. Even more ideally, someone tall.

If he's still in BOS at the deadline and hasn't magically learned to play D and no suitors appear, I could see a buyout / stretch possibility.

Can't do that. If a player is going to be waived and the cap hit stretched -> they have to be waived by the end if August...
Celtics have ~7 weeks to make that happen before it is no longer an option

Thanks, good to know. I wasn’t sure on the stretch part in season. Doubt it happens by end of August, though.

[bkohler]

Boston got nothing for holiday, horford, kornet and porzingis in return. Amazing.

They got more than I expected TBH...

Same, I excepted them to have to pay or trade one of Brown/White to get into a better place.

[SkyHook]

Should Boston just stretch Simons? It is 13.8 million per year this season and next and gets them under the first apron.

Can't they stretch him at $9.2MM over three years? It has been 2x + 1 years, twice the number of remaining years plus one. Did that change in the new CBA?