Kevin Love - Every team's best offer

[MNRunLeft]

Pekovic and Wallace to New Orleans
Love and Gordon to Boston
5th, Sullinger, Bass, Bogans, J. Anthony, Morrow and Rivers to Minnesota

Wolves are going to need more than that in return if they are including Pek and not getting out of any less desirable long term deals. NOH doens't fit well with the Wolves as a trade partner.

[BleedGreen1989]

Wizards should/could offer:
Bradley Beal
Otto Porter
Andre Miller
Cash
2017 1st

for

Kevin Love

Andre Miller can be bought out for $2 million(in 2015 salary) if waived this NBA year.

Yep.

Or Beal/Nene/1st for Love/Martin.

Minny's choice.

If I was a Wizard fan, I would not trade Beal in a deal for Love.

[The Rebel]

Also anybody who thinks Love is signing an extension before the trade or even soon after are fooling yourselves, with the way the CBA is written players get less money from an extension than if they let their deal expire and sign a whole new contract with the same team. All the top players will be free agents whether they want to leave their current team or not.

And that is a main issue here for the teams, because they will be reluctant to giving up a lot of assets, if it will not be clear that Love would stay after next season (meaning, that there is a high probability that Love will sign the 5yr max with them in the next summer). Based on the rumors, it looks like the Lakers, Knicks, Bulls and Warriors are the only teams, for which it would make sense to give up assets in order to get Love now. Also, Love might want to see a team being able to put a winning team together, with all the necessary surroundings, and so far only the Warriors and the Bulls could provide that with a high degree of probability.

Which offers might be reasonable for the Timberwolves to take? I don't think that it would be wise to take someone like Lee back with his two years left and essentially providing less than Love overall. The issue seems to be that Lee needs to be in order to make that work salary-wise, or they find a third team interested in adding Lee to their roster. The Timberwolves also have Martin, Budinger, Brewer and Muhammad for the wing already, thus I have a hard time seeing them interested in Barnes in such a deal, unless they could move one of those wings. I see them being interested in Draymond Green, though. Thompson, obviously as well.

For the Bulls, there might be the chance to upgrade a current pick by sending the 16th or 19th and the future Kings pick to the Kings for their pick in this season, if they are not moving up in the draft lottery. In that way the Bulls can offer the Kings pick 2014, the remaining 16/19 pick, and another future pick additionally to the rights to Mirotic. If Mirotic would be interested in joining the Timberwolves (and with Rubio there might be the right guy to connect to Mirotic), that could be very interesting for the Timberwolves. Bulls would need to use Boozer's contract, and can only send out $3m to compensate. But there might be a catch here, because ultimately the Bulls can arrange a deal in that fashion, that part of that can go through on or even before the draft day, while another part of a deal could be set up to happen after the July moratorium. In that way, the Bulls may be able to send overall $6m (not that I'm especially confident about it, but they said that they would re-invest the money they saved via Deng trade, which amounts to about $20m this season).
Example:

Love for Boozer+Mirotic+picks+$3m on or before draft day
Amundson+Brewer+James (all unguaranteed contracts)+$3m for Budinger or Brewer or Barea

Ultimately that could mean Love for an expiring Boozer, plus Mirotic, plus 3 unguaranteed contracts, plus 3 first rounders, plus $6m to compensate for part of Boozer's salary for Love+ either one of the mentioned contracts.

I could see Love & Budinger for Lee, Thompson, and a 1st round pick this year and a future 1st being a good start. Meaning I think that the Warriors would have to move Barnes to a 3rd team for the 2014 1st round pick. The Bulls could put together a good package, and having a front court of Noah and Love with a healthy Rose could be interesting depending on Rose's health, but that is a big if right now, leaving a potential disaster for them, and with no extension the Bulls could be dealing with the same things as the Lakers just went through with the injuries and their big trade asset walking for nothing.

Also a lot has to do with which way the Wolves want to go, do they want to go the Pacers way, or do they want to just blow up the team and start over?

If they want to totally start over I could see both the Celtics and the Suns putting the best packages together as they have so many picks to use, plus the Suns I would imagine would find a way to keep their backcourt giving them a solid playoff team with the chance to develop into more. The Celtics have a lack of talent right now, which would make it hard for them to hold onto Love.

The Lakers and Knicks have very limited assets, meaning I do not see them in the race.

One other team I find interesting is the Rockets, they could team Love with Harden and Howard and have a great team on paper, but of course the defense would be lacking. They have all their 1sts and some 2nd rounders to throw in, if they can find some suitable assets by trading Asik or Lin and include parsons, than I could see them pulling off the deal, and if the chemistry works I do not see anyway that Love could walk away from that team in a year.

[Note30]

I doubt Boston would say yes to that but even then the only way that trade would happen is if the Pels gave up picks. Pekovic for Bogans Joel Anthony Morrow Rivers while all expiring or non guarenteed contracts are essentially just cap space. The only way that would work is if Boston would trade valauble expiring assets for Gordon and if the Wolves are willing to trade their interior presence for capspace. If I were Minnesota I would ask for several picks from New Orleans two first and a second. If the Wolves trade Love for Sullinger the 5th and Bogans we get a **** ton of cap space to begin with. Either the Pels offer picks or take Budinger and another bad contract as well. Which lands the Pels back to square one. So I don't think the Pels would even consider that.

Pekovic and Wallace to New Orleans
Love and Gordon to Boston
5th, Sullinger, Bass, Bogans, J. Anthony, Morrow and Rivers to Minnesota

[MNRunLeft]

I could see Love & Budinger for Lee, Thompson, and a 1st round pick this year and a future 1st being a good start. Meaning I think that the Warriors would have to move Barnes to a 3rd team for the 2014 1st round pick.

Wolves may just prefer Barnes over a 2014 1st depeding on where that pick lands.

If they want to totally start over I could see both the Celtics and the Suns putting the best packages together as they have so many picks to use, plus the Suns I would imagine would find a way to keep their backcourt giving them a solid playoff team with the chance to develop into more. The Celtics have a lack of talent right now, which would make it hard for them to hold onto Love.

Celtics have the best rebuilding package to offer imo, they blow the Suns out of the water in terms of potential blue chip trade assets. Boston's 1st alone has more value than all the 1sts Phx currently owns in this years draft. For Celtics it may simple be to the want to cash all their chips in and aquire Love knowning they'll also need to make another big deal to bring in enough talent around him and Rondo.

The Lakers and Knicks have very limited assets, meaning I do not see them in the race.

Agreed unless LAL move up into the top 3 picks, then they may jump into the conversation.

One other team I find interesting is the Rockets. They have all their 1sts and some 2nd rounders to throw in, if they can find some suitable assets by trading Asik or Lin and include parsons.

Issue here is Parson's is a UFA next offseason and due to his contract statsus can't be extended unless they were to deline his contract option this season making him an RFA. A great deal of Parsons' vaue his cheap contract that is reaching the end of its road.

[bondom34]

Example:

Love for Boozer+Mirotic+picks+$3m on or before draft day
Amundson+Brewer+James (all unguaranteed contracts)+$3m for Budinger or Brewer or Barea

Ultimately that could mean Love+either one of the mentioned contracts for an expiring Boozer, plus Mirotic, plus 3 unguaranteed contracts, plus 3 first rounders, plus $6m to compensate for part of Boozer's salary.

Just reading through these, this seems to me to be the best offer by a decent margin. It also puts Chicago in a potentially amazing situation assuming Rose can come back healthy.

[165bows]

I could see Love & Budinger for Lee, Thompson, and a 1st round pick this year and a future 1st being a good start. Meaning I think that the Warriors would have to move Barnes to a 3rd team for the 2014 1st round pick.

Wolves may just prefer Barnes over a 2014 1st depeding on where that pick lands.

If they want to totally start over I could see both the Celtics and the Suns putting the best packages together as they have so many picks to use, plus the Suns I would imagine would find a way to keep their backcourt giving them a solid playoff team with the chance to develop into more. The Celtics have a lack of talent right now, which would make it hard for them to hold onto Love.

Celtics have the best rebuilding package to offer imo, they blow the Suns out of the water in terms of potential blue chip trade assets. Boston's 1st alone has more value than all the 1sts Phx currently owns in this years draft. For Celtics it may simple be to the want to cash all their chips in and aquire Love knowning they'll also need to make another big deal to bring in enough talent around him and Rondo.

The Lakers and Knicks have very limited assets, meaning I do not see them in the race.

Agreed unless LAL move up into the top 3 picks, then they may jump into the conversation.

One other team I find interesting is the Rockets. They have all their 1sts and some 2nd rounders to throw in, if they can find some suitable assets by trading Asik or Lin and include parsons.

Issue here is Parson's is a UFA next offseason and due to his contract statsus can't be extended unless they were to deline his contract option this season making him an RFA. A great deal of Parsons' vaue his cheap contract that is reaching the end of its road.

I agree with that last part, I don't see how Asik/Lin/Parsons' expirings for Love's expiring makes sense for MIN.

[Trader_Joe]

Example:

Love for Boozer+Mirotic+picks+$3m on or before draft day
Amundson+Brewer+James (all unguaranteed contracts)+$3m for Budinger or Brewer or Barea

Ultimately that could mean Love+either one of the mentioned contracts for an expiring Boozer, plus Mirotic, plus 3 unguaranteed contracts, plus 3 first rounders, plus $6m to compensate for part of Boozer's salary.

Just reading through these, this seems to me to be the best offer by a decent margin. It also puts Chicago in a potentially amazing situation assuming Rose can come back healthy.

Really even with no Gibson or Butler?
Boozer, Mitotic and non lotto picks?

[bondom34]

Example:

Love for Boozer+Mirotic+picks+$3m on or before draft day
Amundson+Brewer+James (all unguaranteed contracts)+$3m for Budinger or Brewer or Barea

Ultimately that could mean Love+either one of the mentioned contracts for an expiring Boozer, plus Mirotic, plus 3 unguaranteed contracts, plus 3 first rounders, plus $6m to compensate for part of Boozer's salary.

Just reading through these, this seems to me to be the best offer by a decent margin. It also puts Chicago in a potentially amazing situation assuming Rose can come back healthy.

Really even with no Gibson or Butler?
Boozer, Mitotic and non lotto picks?

I was under the impression they were trying to upgrade one pick from Sacto to a lotto pick (but I didn't quote it which is my bad and I am not sure if that's what he meant, just how I read it). But a huge expiring, cash (it would only be 3 mil, unguaranteed deals, Mirotic, and 3 picks is a pretty good haul relative to what other teams are tossing out. Boston could possibly be competetive, but not for sure.

Edit: Yeah, mystic was going to send the Kings their future pick and 16 or 19 back to them for their lotto pick.

[the_process]

On a general level I think Houston simply runs into too much of a usage problem this way and defensively remains devastatingly bad even with Dwight, Miami got away with this because those 3 are all plus defenders, so even though the big 3 setup basically neutered Chris Bosh's offense it still worked.

Unfortunately for Houston, a Melo / Harden / Dwight setup seems likely to seriously blow into one of their offense, and probably either Melo or Harden, and both player's value hinges almost entirely in that department.

This is why I feel they might simply be better off trading Harden for Love, yeah that probably means they need to count on Lin to make plays which can be scary, but as we've seen it's not like Harden forcing the plays in the playoff is a great solution either.

HOU gets Love, 32, 54
MIN gets Jones, Harden, Parsons, 25
PHI gets Asik, Lin, Motiejunas, 13

HOU then should have enough cap space to sign Melo outright. Even though they are overpaying Minny it facilitates them clearing room for Melo so it works, assuming that they know they can sign Melo upon acquiring Love and need to dump all those players to clear the room.

Why is Philly even in this deal? The 32nd pick is the only value they add (and its not much value at all) and they get Asik, Motie AND 13? For taking on Lin's deal?

Substitute any team you like who can just eat approx 18 mill in cap space and 32 mill in salary.

[Warriorfan]

Since the thread has degraded

Since OKC best chance to keep its talent around past next season is to win a championship

Perkins Steven Adams Jeremy Lamb P Jones for K Love.

[Leto]

Just reading through these, this seems to me to be the best offer by a decent margin. It also puts Chicago in a potentially amazing situation assuming Rose can come back healthy.

Really even with no Gibson or Butler?
Boozer, Mitotic and non lotto picks?

I was under the impression they were trying to upgrade one pick from Sacto to a lotto pick (but I didn't quote it which is my bad and I am not sure if that's what he meant, just how I read it). But a huge expiring, cash (it would only be 3 mil, unguaranteed deals, Mirotic, and 3 picks is a pretty good haul relative to what other teams are tossing out. Boston could possibly be competetive, but not for sure.

Edit: Yeah, mystic was going to send the Kings their future pick and 16 or 19 back to them for their lotto pick.

I like it. Also, sending Boozer may be a foregone conclusion because I don't think the Bulls will gut their team to match salaries. Given that Boozer cannot be amnestied until mid-July, it's likely he will be part of their offer--which, I might add, is fair.

[the_process]

On a general level I think Houston simply runs into too much of a usage problem this way and defensively remains devastatingly bad even with Dwight, Miami got away with this because those 3 are all plus defenders, so even though the big 3 setup basically neutered Chris Bosh's offense it still worked.

Unfortunately for Houston, a Melo / Harden / Dwight setup seems likely to seriously blow into one of their offense, and probably either Melo or Harden, and both player's value hinges almost entirely in that department.

This is why I feel they might simply be better off trading Harden for Love, yeah that probably means they need to count on Lin to make plays which can be scary, but as we've seen it's not like Harden forcing the plays in the playoff is a great solution either.

HOU gets Love, 32, 54
MIN gets Jones, Harden, Parsons, 25
PHI gets Asik, Lin, Motiejunas, 13

HOU then should have enough cap space to sign Melo outright. Even though they are overpaying Minny it facilitates them clearing room for Melo so it works, assuming that they know they can sign Melo upon acquiring Love and need to dump all those players to clear the room.

Really hope this is supposed to be a troll post...

If you add Melo into the incoming column for HOU is it really a bad trade? I personally think you guys would be better with a Big 3 of Howard, Love, and Melo. Couple of vet min shooters and 3 & D guards... good to go. Obviously you have to know Melo is coming or you're not just dumping everything.

[bondom34]

Since the thread has degraded

Since OKC best chance to keep its talent around past next season is to win a championship

Perkins Steven Adams Jeremy Lamb P Jones for K Love.

Meh, no real interest in Love. Plus I doubt that offer does it.

[MNRunLeft]

I like it. Also, sending Boozer may be a foregone conclusion because I don't think the Bulls will gut their team to match salaries. Given that Boozer cannot be amnestied until mid-July, it's likely he will be part of their offer--which, I might add, is fair.

Of course you like it... Boozer, Mitotic and a couple non lotto picks would be a steal for Chicago providing a dramatic improvement to their starting lineup and not even harming their bench in the process. Not like it makes sense for the Wolves though eating Boozer's deal (even if its expring) is a negative that would require atleast one of those picks to begin with (likely both) and after that its an unproven though highly thought of Euro for a top 10 player in the NBA... no brainer for the Bulls, poor deal for the Wolves.

[C.lupus]

I was under the impression they were trying to upgrade one pick from Sacto to a lotto pick (but I didn't quote it which is my bad and I am not sure if that's what he meant, just how I read it). But a huge expiring, cash (it would only be 3 mil, unguaranteed deals, Mirotic, and 3 picks is a pretty good haul relative to what other teams are tossing out. Boston could possibly be competetive, but not for sure.

Edit: Yeah, mystic was going to send the Kings their future pick and 16 or 19 back to them for their lotto pick.

Expirings and cap space have less value in Minny (what free agents are they realistically going to attract?) and those picks are underwhelming. Boston can easily beat that with the #5 + Sully + filler/future picks.

[Leto]

I like it. Also, sending Boozer may be a foregone conclusion because I don't think the Bulls will gut their team to match salaries. Given that Boozer cannot be amnestied until mid-July, it's likely he will be part of their offer--which, I might add, is fair.

Of course you like it... Boozer, Mitotic and a couple non lotto picks would be a steal for Chicago providing a dramatic improvement to their starting lineup and not even harming their bench in the process. Not like it makes sense for the Wolves though eating Boozer's deal (even if its expring) is a negative that would require atleast one of those picks to begin with (likely both) and after that its an unproven though highly thought of Euro for a top 10 player in the NBA... no brainer for the Bulls, poor deal for the Wolves.

All lotto picks are unproven. So, that's not really an argument.

No, an expiring contract does not require extra picks if you're taking back longer term salary.

Non-lotto picks are almost as likely to net you a good player as picks 5-14.

I'm not suggesting you have to agree to the package, but it is far from a "bad deal."

Further, what I was suggesting is that it may be all the Bulls can offer you. You may find Boston and others have more favorable deals.

[Trader_Joe]

Just reading through these, this seems to me to be the best offer by a decent margin. It also puts Chicago in a potentially amazing situation assuming Rose can come back healthy.

Really even with no Gibson or Butler?
Boozer, Mitotic and non lotto picks?

I was under the impression they were trying to upgrade one pick from Sacto to a lotto pick (but I didn't quote it which is my bad and I am not sure if that's what he meant, just how I read it). But a huge expiring, cash (it would only be 3 mil, unguaranteed deals, Mirotic, and 3 picks is a pretty good haul relative to what other teams are tossing out. Boston could possibly be competetive, but not for sure.

Edit: Yeah, mystic was going to send the Kings their future pick and 16 or 19 back to them for their lotto pick.

Missed that part, but I would still be skeptical of a deal where Mirotic is the centerpiece considering we don't know when he is coming over, if the rumors were true that he was only interested in playing for the Lakers or Bulls, and the fact he will have to be paid out of cap space or the MLE.

[MNRunLeft]

All lotto picks are unproven. So, that's not really an argument.

All picks are unproven... so by your logic does this mean the 1st and 30th picks have similar value? Of course not.

No, an expiring contract does not require extra picks if you're taking back longer term salary.

Pieces in the deal effect the value, yes we see expring contracts added to make the $ work but in this case its not a few million, its a signficant cost and there are other options avaiable to make the $ work that would provide more value and fit.

I'm not suggesting you have to agree to the package, but it is far from a "bad deal."
Further, what I was suggesting is that it may be all the Bulls can offer you. You may find Boston and others have more favorable deals.

If thats all the Bulls can offer they are barking up the wrong tree, it wouldn't take much for a deal to offer greater value.

[bondom34]

Really even with no Gibson or Butler?
Boozer, Mitotic and non lotto picks?

I was under the impression they were trying to upgrade one pick from Sacto to a lotto pick (but I didn't quote it which is my bad and I am not sure if that's what he meant, just how I read it). But a huge expiring, cash (it would only be 3 mil, unguaranteed deals, Mirotic, and 3 picks is a pretty good haul relative to what other teams are tossing out. Boston could possibly be competetive, but not for sure.

Edit: Yeah, mystic was going to send the Kings their future pick and 16 or 19 back to them for their lotto pick.

Missed that part, but I would still be skeptical of a deal where Mirotic is the centerpiece considering we don't know when he is coming over, if the rumors were true that he was only interested in playing for the Lakers or Bulls, and the fact he will have to be paid out of cap space or the MLE.

True. Mystic also mentioned the possibility of a Rubio/Mirotic connection that could interest him, so I figured if he were likely to come over it would be a great offer. Lupus has said the Cs offer is better to him though, so I suppose I could very well be mistaken!