Shams: Jrue to Milwaukee

[R-DAWG]

3 firsts and 2 pick swaps for a 30 year old expiring?

This will go down as the worst trade of all time. It will make the Brooklyn and Boston deal look like nothing.

I almost feel bad for Bucks fans, as they just lost a decade of basketball. This may change the rules again on trading draft picks.

3 picks plus DDV for a long term Giannis committment, a resigned Jrue Holiday and Bogan Bogdonovic is far from one of the worst trades of all time.

My team once traded a first round pick for Andrea Bargnani for context.

[Texas Chuck]

The West is loaded man.

West is always loaded. Harden moving East would help though.

[R-DAWG]

The West is loaded man.

West is always loaded. Harden moving East would help though.

West seems more loaded now than ever before. It sees like there are 14 teams who can legitimately expect to be in the mix for the playoffs - not including OKC, which goes down to 13 if Houston breaks it up. Usually your talking about 10 teams in the mix.

People are getting very exciting about PHX with Chris Paul, New Orleans with Zion, and Memphis considering how good Marant was last year - but watch out for Minnestoa - KAT might be the best player on any of those rosters and KAT-Rusell could be the best 2 man combo.

[Texas Chuck]

I do not fear Memphis or Minnesota unless they make a major move(s). I just don't see how either team really competes at this point.

[Chicago-Bull-E]

3 firsts and 2 pick swaps for a 30 year old expiring?

This will go down as the worst trade of all time. It will make the Brooklyn and Boston deal look like nothing.

I almost feel bad for Bucks fans, as they just lost a decade of basketball. This may change the rules again on trading draft picks.

3 picks plus DDV for a long term Giannis committment, a resigned Jrue Holiday and Bogan Bogdonovic is far from one of the worst trades of all time.

My team once traded a first round pick for Andrea Bargnani for context.

Sure, if Giannis signs then it isn't bad.

If he walks, it will almost certainly be the worst trade of all time, and there isn't anything close.

Hopefully Milwaukee trusts he will re-sign.

[Texas Chuck]

If he walks, it will almost certainly be the worst trade of all time, and there isn't anything close.

This couldn't be more wrong. It's the right move even if he walks--you control what you can control.

But we've had worse in very recent time. I mean the Hawks traded away the right to draft Luka Doncic. That's worse my friend. This is potentially bad maybe. Hawks had the known star for the taking and chose to give him away. The Spurs traded Kawhi for Derozan. That's worse--though in that case a bit more understandable.

The Westbrook for Paul was worse because we all knew at the time Paul was both a better player and fit and they gave up a similar pick package on top of it.

I have Jon Horst having a great day yesterday. Not a good day. A great day.

[VCfor3]

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I know NOP had significant leverage and MIL had to make a splash to keep Giannis, but man that is a ton to give up. If Zion pans out like most hope then the Pelicans could be a contender who is also landing top 5 picks for a couple years. All for an expiring Jrue.

[jbk1234]

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[gswhoops]

(they could have just matched Brogdon)

[Texas Chuck]

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This is a good piece of business by the Cavs. The 2nd is whatever but nice to use the leverage to scoop it up, but anytime you have someone else's pick unprotected that's a neat bit of kit.

[Texas Chuck]

(they could have just matched Brogdon)

I said at the time they extended Bledsoe it was a mistake with future ramifications. I agree they should have just paid Brogdon but the real tipping point was paying Bledsoe so they couldn't afford Brogdon.

Which is why until they kick me off this site I'm going to harp that losing a player for nothing is not always the worst outcome. Not by a long-shot. Paying guys you shouldn't pay is worse than losing them.

[Chicago-Bull-E]

If he walks, it will almost certainly be the worst trade of all time, and there isn't anything close.

This couldn't be more wrong. It's the right move even if he walks--you control what you can control.

But we've had worse in very recent time. I mean the Hawks traded away the right to draft Luka Doncic. That's worse my friend. This is potentially bad maybe. Hawks had the known star for the taking and chose to give him away. The Spurs traded Kawhi for Derozan. That's worse--though in that case a bit more understandable.

The Westbrook for Paul was worse because we all knew at the time Paul was both a better player and fit and they gave up a similar pick package on top of it.

I have Jon Horst having a great day yesterday. Not a good day. A great day.

It would be so much more significantly worse than the Luka Doncic trade, that wouldn't even be a blip on the radar of this deal.

Milwaukee without Giannis is a bottom 3 team. They have no other young assets, and are in a cold weather, small market free agents do not want to go to. So they will be handing over unprotected picks for the better part of a DECADE. Fans will be lost long term over this deal.

Horst cares about the short term like all GMs do to an extent. The only logical conclusion here is Milwaukee knows Giannis is resigning and ONLY if they got Jrue Holiday. Which is a weird stipulation, but that's the only conclusion that makes sense.

[Jordan Syndrome]

If he walks, it will almost certainly be the worst trade of all time, and there isn't anything close.

This couldn't be more wrong. It's the right move even if he walks--you control what you can control.

But we've had worse in very recent time. I mean the Hawks traded away the right to draft Luka Doncic. That's worse my friend. This is potentially bad maybe. Hawks had the known star for the taking and chose to give him away. The Spurs traded Kawhi for Derozan. That's worse--though in that case a bit more understandable.

The Westbrook for Paul was worse because we all knew at the time Paul was both a better player and fit and they gave up a similar pick package on top of it.

I have Jon Horst having a great day yesterday. Not a good day. A great day.

It would be so much more significantly worse than the Luka Doncic trade, that wouldn't even be a blip on the radar of this deal.

It really wouldn't. Trading Luka for Young would have been similar to trading LeBron James for Carmelo Anthony. Sure, you get an all-star and fringe all-nba talent, but you are missing out on a GOAT candidate.

[kobe_vs_jordan]

If he walks, it will almost certainly be the worst trade of all time, and there isn't anything close.

This couldn't be more wrong. It's the right move even if he walks--you control what you can control.

But we've had worse in very recent time. I mean the Hawks traded away the right to draft Luka Doncic. That's worse my friend. This is potentially bad maybe. Hawks had the known star for the taking and chose to give him away. The Spurs traded Kawhi for Derozan. That's worse--though in that case a bit more understandable.

The Westbrook for Paul was worse because we all knew at the time Paul was both a better player and fit and they gave up a similar pick package on top of it.

I have Jon Horst having a great day yesterday. Not a good day. A great day.

Far from the worst trade , Lakers traded two lotto picks an old PG that got hurt and refused to be a mentor for them.

[wwoaustin]

This deal seems exceptionally bad if they do not have some assurances from Giannis and Jrue to resign. Not only is it the two 1sts and the two swaps, but what seems to be going unmentioned is the change to the Cavs pick. This deal removes the top 8 protection on the Cavs pick in 2022, the draft following their first season with no Giannis, if he decides to walk.

[gswhoops]

Don't have time to go into all the worse trades that the Warriors alone have made, but we did trade Robert Parrish and Kevin McHale for Joe Barry Carroll aka "Joe Barely Cares"...

Rookie C-Webb for Tom Gugliotta...

Tim Hardaway for Kevin Willis and Bimbo Coles...

[DerrickNoah]

If Giannis still leaves MIL... this specific trade will be the one that makes David Griffin a HOF GM & puts Jon Horst out of the league for good.

[M-C-G]

If Giannis still leaves MIL... this specific trade will be the one that makes David Griffin a HOF GM & puts Jon Horst out of the league for good.

And if this is the move that puts a banner in the rafters and ensures Giannis signs an extension?

[wwoaustin]

This couldn't be more wrong. It's the right move even if he walks--you control what you can control.

But we've had worse in very recent time. I mean the Hawks traded away the right to draft Luka Doncic. That's worse my friend. This is potentially bad maybe. Hawks had the known star for the taking and chose to give him away. The Spurs traded Kawhi for Derozan. That's worse--though in that case a bit more understandable.

The Westbrook for Paul was worse because we all knew at the time Paul was both a better player and fit and they gave up a similar pick package on top of it.

I have Jon Horst having a great day yesterday. Not a good day. A great day.

It would be so much more significantly worse than the Luka Doncic trade, that wouldn't even be a blip on the radar of this deal.

It really wouldn't. Trading Luka for Young would have been similar to trading LeBron James for Carmelo Anthony. Sure, you get an all-star and fringe all-nba talent, but you are missing out on a GOAT candidate.

I don't think Luka is even the best draft day swap the Mavs have made. I would rather be the Hawks getting Young(and Cam Reddish) for Luka, then the Bucks who got Robert Traylor for Nowitzki. I'm also guessing the Hawks don't even feel as bad as the Hornets who got Vlade for Kobe.

[Jordan Syndrome]

It would be so much more significantly worse than the Luka Doncic trade, that wouldn't even be a blip on the radar of this deal.

It really wouldn't. Trading Luka for Young would have been similar to trading LeBron James for Carmelo Anthony. Sure, you get an all-star and fringe all-nba talent, but you are missing out on a GOAT candidate.

I don't think Luka is even the best draft day swap the Mavs have made. I would rather be the Hawks getting Young(and Cam Reddish) for Luka, then the Bucks who got Robert Traylor for Nowitzki. I'm also guessing the Hawks don't even feel as bad as the Hornets who got Vlade for Kobe.

Sure but Texas Chuck mentioned recent and I assume recent certainly is post-9/11.