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[GutUNC]

The best way for Morey to get a star back is to trade Simmons for a youth/picks/movable salary deal and wait for the next guy to come loose, then unload with all the assets they have now and acquire for Simmons. A two step process. Sitting and waiting only lowers Morey’s leverage.

Trade 1 is literally available at any point so why rush it now when you can do it whenever Trade 2 materializes (if it does)? I have no idea why you've made that a separate 2 step process that lowers the value is working with.

The problem is still finding that young interesting player for the star's team. There's basically always a young lottery player or a lottery pick involved. Need to find out where Philly is going to get that from.

The implication there (to me) was that the return is an armful of futures, not a young stud roster player.

[GutUNC]

The best way for Morey to get a star back is to trade Simmons for a youth/picks/movable salary deal and wait for the next guy to come loose, then unload with all the assets they have now and acquire for Simmons. A two step process. Sitting and waiting only lowers Morey’s leverage.

Trade 1 is literally available at any point so why rush it now when you can do it whenever Trade 2 materializes (if it does)? I have no idea why you've made that a separate 2 step process that lowers the value is working with.

Disagree. Morey losses leverage everyday. Passing the payment date, hurt him. Passing the start of the season hurts more. Morey should have stopped dreaming Ben would show or players going to his house would work, etc. This divorce has been obvious all off season. Morey should have traded him on draft night.

Best thing to do now is grab the highest pick/prospect/movable salary package and end the drama. Get prepared, see how his team responds and wait for the star. There no advantage to not have Ben on the floor and not having the value for him out there either. But most importantly, when that star comes loose he’ll be competing against the Warriors and others, best to have everything in-house and ready to move ASAP, trading to arrange a Ben deal to get assets at that moment isn’t wise IMO. Be ready to strike in advance.

And for umpteenth consecutive day, RealGM wildly overstates the volatility of trade value.

We know who he is as a player. We know there's a 99% chance he'll need to be traded at some point. His value is debatable, but not unstable.

[Roy The Natural]

Trade 1 is literally available at any point so why rush it now when you can do it whenever Trade 2 materializes (if it does)? I have no idea why you've made that a separate 2 step process that lowers the value is working with.

The problem is still finding that young interesting player for the star's team. There's basically always a young lottery player or a lottery pick involved. Need to find out where Philly is going to get that from.

The implication there (to me) was that the return is an armful of futures, not a young stud roster player.

The vast majority of star trades in the past few years have some sort of stable asset collection anchoring the value. The Harden trade is the only trade I can think of where nothing specifically known as a valuable asset was returned to the star\s team. And in my opinion that trade is a major outlier due to the absolutely untenable ruckus that was caused by Harden. There' no indication that guys like Beal and Lillard would go anywhere near that level of commotion in order to get out of their current situation.

I would expect that both Portland and Washington would require, like all teams tend to, either a lottery level prospect or a lottery pick to anchor the value of the futures and sell the fanbase on. The "lottery pick" isn't doable until the offseason. So the lottery player with promise is what the 76ers will likely have to find.

I don't think you will get Beal or Lillard without providing at least some stable assets. A bunch of potentially low level futures isn't something you sell small market fanbases on.

From PG13 getting SGA. To AD getting Ingram and Ball, to Kyrie getting Isaiah Thomas and a lottery pick. Most star trades return some form of at least perceived guaranteed value. A handful of COMPLETELY speculative value isn't what teams that are blowing it up want. Especially mid-season.

[SNPA]

Trade 1 is literally available at any point so why rush it now when you can do it whenever Trade 2 materializes (if it does)? I have no idea why you've made that a separate 2 step process that lowers the value is working with.

Disagree. Morey losses leverage everyday. Passing the payment date, hurt him. Passing the start of the season hurts more. Morey should have stopped dreaming Ben would show or players going to his house would work, etc. This divorce has been obvious all off season. Morey should have traded him on draft night.

Best thing to do now is grab the highest pick/prospect/movable salary package and end the drama. Get prepared, see how his team responds and wait for the star. There no advantage to not have Ben on the floor and not having the value for him out there either. But most importantly, when that star comes loose he’ll be competing against the Warriors and others, best to have everything in-house and ready to move ASAP, trading to arrange a Ben deal to get assets at that moment isn’t wise IMO. Be ready to strike in advance.

And for umpteenth consecutive day, RealGM wildly overstates the volatility of trade value.

We know who he is as a player. We know there's a 99% chance he'll need to be traded at some point. His value is debatable, but not unstable.

Ehhh..it’s a dangerous game. Say the Kings and Wolves start out good. Oops. There goes two suitors driving down the competition. Imagine a key trade piece from a different team gets hurt, oops. I get that Morey could hope something breaks in his favor but that’s a hope, not a strategy and the issues in my previous post still apply. The Warriors are ready to act, Morey should be too IMO.

[Roy The Natural]

Disagree. Morey losses leverage everyday. Passing the payment date, hurt him. Passing the start of the season hurts more. Morey should have stopped dreaming Ben would show or players going to his house would work, etc. This divorce has been obvious all off season. Morey should have traded him on draft night.

Best thing to do now is grab the highest pick/prospect/movable salary package and end the drama. Get prepared, see how his team responds and wait for the star. There no advantage to not have Ben on the floor and not having the value for him out there either. But most importantly, when that star comes loose he’ll be competing against the Warriors and others, best to have everything in-house and ready to move ASAP, trading to arrange a Ben deal to get assets at that moment isn’t wise IMO. Be ready to strike in advance.

And for umpteenth consecutive day, RealGM wildly overstates the volatility of trade value.

We know who he is as a player. We know there's a 99% chance he'll need to be traded at some point. His value is debatable, but not unstable.

Ehhh..it’s a dangerous game. Say the Kings and Wolves start out good. Oops. There goes two suitors driving down the competition. Imagine a key trade piece from a different team gets hurt, oops. I get that Morey could hope something breaks in his favor but that’s a hope, not a strategy and the issues in my previous post still apply. The Warriors are ready to act, Morey should be too IMO.

Like I said earlier. This isn't some long-term investment plan level of risk the 76ers are playing with. They walked into the casing and put a bunch of money on black at the roulette table. Their plan has as high a chance of backfiring as it does working. People will say something along the lines of, "It only takes one team" implying that all other 29 teams are in play here. The problem is that once you account for teams that actually have what the 76ers would want, and are interested in Simmons... it only takes one team out of like 6. The dual interest in Simmon's market isn't likely that big to begin with.

[Myth]

Didn’t want to make a new thread on this, but came across this video of Billups talking about Simmons (and Ingram) before they were drafted: https://youtu.be/_WaoLGYQziA

As a Blazers fan, I hope this means Billups is good in general at recognizing how to use players to their strengths. It also makes me optimistic specifically if Blazers are to trade for Simmons that he doesn’t try to make Simmons something he is not (as Phili seemed to do with years of pressuring him to shoot threes). Though, Billups’ opinion if it remains similar may also make Portland hesitant to give up a bunch of assets for Simmons, for better or worse.

[Sportfan73]

And for umpteenth consecutive day, RealGM wildly overstates the volatility of trade value.

We know who he is as a player. We know there's a 99% chance he'll need to be traded at some point. His value is debatable, but not unstable.

Ehhh..it’s a dangerous game. Say the Kings and Wolves start out good. Oops. There goes two suitors driving down the competition. Imagine a key trade piece from a different team gets hurt, oops. I get that Morey could hope something breaks in his favor but that’s a hope, not a strategy and the issues in my previous post still apply. The Warriors are ready to act, Morey should be too IMO.

Like I said earlier. This isn't some long-term investment plan level of risk the 76ers are playing with. They walked into the casing and put a bunch of money on black at the roulette table. Their plan has as high a chance of backfiring as it does working. People will say something along the lines of, "It only takes one team" implying that all other 29 teams are in play here. The problem is that once you account for teams that actually have what the 76ers would want, and are interested in Simmons... it only takes one team out of like 6. The dual interest in Simmon's market isn't likely that big to begin with.

Yeah I’m going to remain consistent in saying he’s gone by opening night. CJ is the best individual player you can get but getting like Brogdon, warren, and 2 firsts isn’t that bad either. If someone come available you can turn around and send Brogdon (2 years left at like 20 mil per) to a third team for a decent pick, Maxey, Thybulle, 2 Indiana firsts, 3 Philly firsts to whomever. There’s your big package. I think it’s actually way more likely they are players in a deal for an available star if they’ve already moved on from Simmons. None of these teams morey would have been turning his nose up to for months (assuming he went the route of holding until like trade deadline or whatever everyone thinks is actually possible) are going to have much interest in helping Morey get some 3 team deal done for this star instead of it just become the Pels trading Ingram and picks or New York trading it’s young players and picks

[GutUNC]

Disagree. Morey losses leverage everyday. Passing the payment date, hurt him. Passing the start of the season hurts more. Morey should have stopped dreaming Ben would show or players going to his house would work, etc. This divorce has been obvious all off season. Morey should have traded him on draft night.

Best thing to do now is grab the highest pick/prospect/movable salary package and end the drama. Get prepared, see how his team responds and wait for the star. There no advantage to not have Ben on the floor and not having the value for him out there either. But most importantly, when that star comes loose he’ll be competing against the Warriors and others, best to have everything in-house and ready to move ASAP, trading to arrange a Ben deal to get assets at that moment isn’t wise IMO. Be ready to strike in advance.

And for umpteenth consecutive day, RealGM wildly overstates the volatility of trade value.

We know who he is as a player. We know there's a 99% chance he'll need to be traded at some point. His value is debatable, but not unstable.

Ehhh..it’s a dangerous game. Say the Kings and Wolves start out good. Oops. There goes two suitors driving down the competition. Imagine a key trade piece from a different team gets hurt, oops. I get that Morey could hope something breaks in his favor but that’s a hope, not a strategy and the issues in my previous post still apply. The Warriors are ready to act, Morey should be too IMO.

Teams will start well, teams will start poorly, players will get injured. This isn't news. Saying "if these 4 hypotheticals happen, his value goes down" is hope, not strategy as well.

[patman66]

He's got plenty of avenues to make trouble through the media (Hi Windy!, Hi Perk!), but guys who don't play aren't talking directly to the media after games, especially when everything's being done remotely.

what do you mean, they can't zoom/facetime with him from the locker room?

1) He likely won't be hanging out in the locker room

2) The team has control of who has Zoom availability, unlike in non-COVID times when the locker rooms were just open and media would search out who they want to speak to.

The team has zero control over when a player uses his phone in the lockerroom. Unless there is a rule I never heard of of players taking vids in the locker room. I cant imagine the union saying you can't facetime with your kids after a road game that ends at 10 before kids go to sleep etc. come to think of it that would be another screw to turn as the other players will not be allowed to facetime with their wife or kids in an attempt to silence him. My point is he can make much more trouble for them in the locker-room and not trying 100% on the court/practices etc. Never mind making them pay for a 1/2 hearted effort.

[NYG]

How many picks does Toronto need to give Philly to upgrade from Dragic to Sabonis in a multi-team deal where Simmons goes to Indiana?

[kuclas]

How many picks does Toronto need to give Philly to upgrade from Dragic to Sabonis in a multi-team deal where Simmons goes to Indiana?

It’s not the picks. It’s the player. Which player of any value is sixers gonna to get back who can be iso player option 1B to embiid down the stretch when embiid is out of gas.

For me. Indiana is gonna to have to give up 1. Brodgon plus levert at minimum to sixers for Simmons plus another first round (top 5 protected). That’s at a minimum. Cause both levert and brodgon are injury prone. So maybe u for one of those guys available for playoffs

[SNPA]

And for umpteenth consecutive day, RealGM wildly overstates the volatility of trade value.

We know who he is as a player. We know there's a 99% chance he'll need to be traded at some point. His value is debatable, but not unstable.

Ehhh..it’s a dangerous game. Say the Kings and Wolves start out good. Oops. There goes two suitors driving down the competition. Imagine a key trade piece from a different team gets hurt, oops. I get that Morey could hope something breaks in his favor but that’s a hope, not a strategy and the issues in my previous post still apply. The Warriors are ready to act, Morey should be too IMO.

Teams will start well, teams will start poorly, players will get injured. This isn't news. Saying "if these 4 hypotheticals happen, his value goes down" is hope, not strategy as well.

Yes, that’s my point.

What advantages are there to waiting? Worse product on the floor. More drama off the floor. Trade value at best stays flat or likely sinks. Not ready to make a deal for a star when the time pops up. The only possible advantage is hoping something breaks on another team that helps get more for Simmons. It’s a lot of risk for a hope. Better to move him, get assets, see how your team responds and be ready to strike.

I can’t get my head around why anyone in Philly would want this to go on. This is over. Ben is not coming back and you aren’t getting a superstar for him. Turn the page.

[kuclas]

Disagree. Morey losses leverage everyday. Passing the payment date, hurt him. Passing the start of the season hurts more. Morey should have stopped dreaming Ben would show or players going to his house would work, etc. This divorce has been obvious all off season. Morey should have traded him on draft night.

Best thing to do now is grab the highest pick/prospect/movable salary package and end the drama. Get prepared, see how his team responds and wait for the star. There no advantage to not have Ben on the floor and not having the value for him out there either. But most importantly, when that star comes loose he’ll be competing against the Warriors and others, best to have everything in-house and ready to move ASAP, trading to arrange a Ben deal to get assets at that moment isn’t wise IMO. Be ready to strike in advance.

And for umpteenth consecutive day, RealGM wildly overstates the volatility of trade value.

We know who he is as a player. We know there's a 99% chance he'll need to be traded at some point. His value is debatable, but not unstable.

Ehhh..it’s a dangerous game. Say the Kings and Wolves start out good. Oops. There goes two suitors driving down the competition. Imagine a key trade piece from a different team gets hurt, oops. I get that Morey could hope something breaks in his favor but that’s a hope, not a strategy and the issues in my previous post still apply. The Warriors are ready to act, Morey should be too IMO.

Kings wolves weren’t giving up any good impact players. So it doesn’t make a difference if they start out good or bad.

If both those teams start out good. It’s really their top 2 best players playing well who they don’t want to trade. If they start out bad. Than those two top players maybe not that good to began with. And they will have to reevaluate.

Cause the likes of hield barnes Russell’s bagley aren’t gonna to make much impact on the wolves or kings total wins.

[SNPA]

And for umpteenth consecutive day, RealGM wildly overstates the volatility of trade value.

We know who he is as a player. We know there's a 99% chance he'll need to be traded at some point. His value is debatable, but not unstable.

Ehhh..it’s a dangerous game. Say the Kings and Wolves start out good. Oops. There goes two suitors driving down the competition. Imagine a key trade piece from a different team gets hurt, oops. I get that Morey could hope something breaks in his favor but that’s a hope, not a strategy and the issues in my previous post still apply. The Warriors are ready to act, Morey should be too IMO.

Kings wolves weren’t giving up any good impact players. So it doesn’t make a difference if they start out good or bad.

If both those teams start out good. It’s really their top 2 best players playing well who they don’t want to trade. If they start out bad. Than those two top players maybe not that good to began with. And they will have to reevaluate.

Cause the likes of hield barnes Russell’s bagley aren’t gonna to make much impact on the wolves or kings total wins.

So the Kings start out bad and it’s Fox/Hali that are the reason and thus “maybe not that good to began with” and thus McNair offers one and this inspires Morey to trade for them?

[kuclas]

Ehhh..it’s a dangerous game. Say the Kings and Wolves start out good. Oops. There goes two suitors driving down the competition. Imagine a key trade piece from a different team gets hurt, oops. I get that Morey could hope something breaks in his favor but that’s a hope, not a strategy and the issues in my previous post still apply. The Warriors are ready to act, Morey should be too IMO.

Kings wolves weren’t giving up any good impact players. So it doesn’t make a difference if they start out good or bad.

If both those teams start out good. It’s really their top 2 best players playing well who they don’t want to trade. If they start out bad. Than those two top players maybe not that good to began with. And they will have to reevaluate.

Cause the likes of hield barnes Russell’s bagley aren’t gonna to make much impact on the wolves or kings total wins.

So the Kings start out bad and it’s Fox/Hali that are the reason and thus “maybe not that good to began with” and thus McNair offers one and this inspires Morey to trade for them?

Yup. Correct. The kings are a mess. Watch them. You can’t have a center/power forward like Holmes either. He’s a nice offensive player. But defensive end is lacking. We all know about fox lack of defense. Unless fox commits to playing defense and less shots. It’s gonna to be another losing season. Haliburton is still ways away. He has a very similar game to brodgon but obviously much younger.

Let’s see how Sacramento does the first 20 games of the season with their lineup. Usual up tempo game. Usual 8-12 record. But maybe they will surprise us.

[jayjaysee]

Just trying something as an Indy fan..

Caris, Warren, Duarte, Jackson, 2022 and 2024 firsts
For
Simmons, Joe, and Reed

Does Cleveland trade Sexton for Duarte and a 2022 first?

Seems insulting, but depends on which day I open this thread.

[jbk1234]

Just trying something as an Indy fan..

Caris, Warren, Duarte, Jackson, 2022 and 2024 firsts
For
Simmons, Joe, and Reed

Does Cleveland trade Sexton for Duarte and a 2022 first?

Seems insulting, but depends on which day I open this thread.

I would do something like this but my concern is the Cavs would want Simmons for themselves.

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[aguiar95]

Just trying something as an Indy fan..

Caris, Warren, Duarte, Jackson, 2022 and 2024 firsts
For
Simmons, Joe, and Reed

Does Cleveland trade Sexton for Duarte and a 2022 first?

Seems insulting, but depends on which day I open this thread.

Any IND proposal has to start with Brogdon+. Then again, how does Ben fit with Sabonis?

[Sportfan73]

Just trying something as an Indy fan..

Caris, Warren, Duarte, Jackson, 2022 and 2024 firsts
For
Simmons, Joe, and Reed

Does Cleveland trade Sexton for Duarte and a 2022 first?

Seems insulting, but depends on which day I open this thread.

Any IND proposal has to start with Brogdon+. Then again, how does Ben fit with Sabonis?

Yeah Brogdon would be the base of the deal no matter what

[the_process]

Just trying something as an Indy fan..

Caris, Warren, Duarte, Jackson, 2022 and 2024 firsts
For
Simmons, Joe, and Reed

Does Cleveland trade Sexton for Duarte and a 2022 first?

Seems insulting, but depends on which day I open this thread.

Any IND proposal has to start with Brogdon+. Then again, how does Ben fit with Sabonis?

Yeah Brogdon would be the base of the deal no matter what

I disagree. It has to be Sabonis+. And Sabonis can’t come to Philly, but rather a third team for… something?

Why have a team with Brogdon and Embiid together? You probably get less than 40 games of them each season playing at the same time, including playoffs.

I prefer to think Indy is not a real candidate, but rather a team thrown out there to try and boost the offers.