Rumors, Random Thoughts, and non-Threadworthy Posts 18.0 Dave Cowens drove a taxi

[dcstanley]

I just don't see how Jrue makes sense for Lakers. Lakers have enough playmaking with Reaves/Luka/Lebron..

Vando/DFS/Gabe/Goodwin/Bronny fill in the defense from guard to wing.

Rui/Knecht/Kleber are the pieces to use to get a starting C. Use TaxMLE to get backup C.

The candidates that this package can afford:
Ayton, Porzingis, Claxton, Vucevic

Vando, Gabe, Goodwin, Bronny are hardly playable in the regular season, let alone the playoffs.

Lakers need 2/3 legit defensive upgrades on the perimeter that can be relied upon from October to June.

Of those 4 only Gabe actually had a decent run with the Lakers.

It's too early to know if Vando, Goodwin, Bronny wouldn't work. But sure I see an argument to moving Gabe for an upgrade.

So maybe Gabe+Rui+Knecht+Kleber+FRP for a starting C and guard defender.

Goodwin and Bronny are fringe NBA players, they're depth pieces that play in the case of an emergency.

Vando has been a Laker for three playoff runs and he's either been injured or played off the floor. He will never be more than a 12-15 MPG playoff guy for this team.

[zimpy27]

Vando, Gabe, Goodwin, Bronny are hardly playable in the regular season, let alone the playoffs.

Lakers need 2/3 legit defensive upgrades on the perimeter that can be relied upon from October to June.

Of those 4 only Gabe actually had a decent run with the Lakers.

It's too early to know if Vando, Goodwin, Bronny wouldn't work. But sure I see an argument to moving Gabe for an upgrade.

So maybe Gabe+Rui+Knecht+Kleber+FRP for a starting C and guard defender.

Goodwin and Bronny are fringe NBA players, they're depth pieces that play in the case of an emergency.

Vando has been a Laker for three playoff runs and he's either been injured or played off the floor. He will never be more than a 12-15 MPG playoff guy for this team.

I disagree regarding Vando. I think he's been injured but when healthy he's a 20-24mpg player in playoffs.

I'm not sure on Goodwin or Bronny. They need reps.

[Scoot McGroot]

https://www.si.com/nba/jazz/news/new-report-reveals-ace-bailey-s-interest-utah-jazz

It seems the draft silliness is in full effect. The Ace Bailey thing has gotten out of hand. It seems if the media doesn't here from the prospects they just make up their stories.

1. SI is not the sports illustrated of old. The individual team sites are not news breakers, and they got rid of them years ago (and again a year or two ago). At this point, it’s Fansided/Bleacher Report at best, and pays per click, so it’s incentivized to put splashy headlines and stretch the truth for shock.

2. It’s LOOSELY citing a Scoop B post? So it’s based on garbage too…

"One source familiar with Bailey’s thinking told me he would welcome the opportunity to play in Utah and even compared his mindset to Naz Reid’s successful rise with the Minnesota Timberwolves. In other words, Bailey isn’t chasing lights — he’s chasing legacy."

It's directly quoting him.

It’s quoting Scoop B? It’s also then they fleshing out a loose article around it that isn’t always connected to what Scoop B, a notoriously poor source. Who doesn’t even claim to have talked to Bailey, just someone who would claim to be familiar to his thinking. A barber he went to once or twice, maybe?

[daoneandonly]

Is there an AD to Atlanta trade that makes sense for both teams? AD would fit in exceptionally well with Trae Dyson and Jalen. With Atl owing SA future picks, they'd ideally want to win now. If Risacher is a key piece, what SG/PG could Dallas get for him? Could the 25 mil trade exception Atl has be included in a multi player deal?

[SlimShady83]

Of those 4 only Gabe actually had a decent run with the Lakers.

It's too early to know if Vando, Goodwin, Bronny wouldn't work. But sure I see an argument to moving Gabe for an upgrade.

So maybe Gabe+Rui+Knecht+Kleber+FRP for a starting C and guard defender.

Goodwin and Bronny are fringe NBA players, they're depth pieces that play in the case of an emergency.

Vando has been a Laker for three playoff runs and he's either been injured or played off the floor. He will never be more than a 12-15 MPG playoff guy for this team.

I disagree regarding Vando. I think he's been injured but when healthy he's a 20-24mpg player in playoffs.

I'm not sure on Goodwin or Bronny. They need reps.

Pretty sure it was Vando's "exit interview" or sometime after, that he mentioned this is the first offseason his been fully healthy, I'm not willing to give up on Vando just yet, every team needs a Vando type of player.

[zimpy27]

Goodwin and Bronny are fringe NBA players, they're depth pieces that play in the case of an emergency.

Vando has been a Laker for three playoff runs and he's either been injured or played off the floor. He will never be more than a 12-15 MPG playoff guy for this team.

I disagree regarding Vando. I think he's been injured but when healthy he's a 20-24mpg player in playoffs.

I'm not sure on Goodwin or Bronny. They need reps.

Pretty sure it was Vando's "exit interview" or sometime after, that he mentioned this is the first offseason his been fully healthy, I'm not willing to give up on Vando just yet, every team needs a Vando type of player.

Right but he had no chemistry with any of the guys and he had the best +/- in the playoffs for the Lakers (Luka 2nd).

[jredsaz]

What does it cost to move Harrison Barnes into the Nets cap space? Expiring $19M.

[zimpy27]

Is there an AD to Atlanta trade that makes sense for both teams? AD would fit in exceptionally well with Trae Dyson and Jalen. With Atl owing SA future picks, they'd ideally want to win now. If Risacher is a key piece, what SG/PG could Dallas get for him? Could the 25 mil trade exception Atl has be included in a multi player deal?

Mavs get Risacher, Okongwu, Mann

Hawks get Davis


I don't think Mavs make a trade or Risacher, they keep him next to Flagg.

I like the concept as a rebuild for Mavs but don't think Hawks are feeling ready to contend. Though I might be wrong.

Trae, Dyson, JJ, Gueye, Davis -- Vit, Bufkin, Niang
Add in an NT-MLE, BAE, bring back Capela, Nance, LeVert

[Godaddycurse]

Is there an AD to Atlanta trade that makes sense for both teams? AD would fit in exceptionally well with Trae Dyson and Jalen. With Atl owing SA future picks, they'd ideally want to win now. If Risacher is a key piece, what SG/PG could Dallas get for him? Could the 25 mil trade exception Atl has be included in a multi player deal?

Mavs get Risacher, Okongwu, Mann

Hawks get Davis


I don't think Mavs make a trade or Risacher, they keep him next to Flagg.

I like the concept as a rebuild for Mavs but don't think Hawks are feeling ready to contend. Though I might be wrong.

Trae, Dyson, JJ, Gueye, Davis -- Vit, Bufkin, Niang
Add in an NT-MLE, BAE, bring back Capela, Nance, LeVert

Hawks would keep Okongwu if they want to compete.

It would be Rissacher, Mann, Niang, Bufkin + salary of 13 imo.

[doogie_hauser]

I don't think Atlanta are inclined to give up Risacher under any circumstances.

Shown enough last season to justify them taking him pick 1 in the draft.

They could acquire a 5/centre who is younger and less injury prone than AD considerably cheaper trade wise anyway.

I think they have enough to get a Walker Kessler trade done

[daoneandonly]

Is there an AD to Atlanta trade that makes sense for both teams? AD would fit in exceptionally well with Trae Dyson and Jalen. With Atl owing SA future picks, they'd ideally want to win now. If Risacher is a key piece, what SG/PG could Dallas get for him? Could the 25 mil trade exception Atl has be included in a multi player deal?

Mavs get Risacher, Okongwu, Mann

Hawks get Davis


I don't think Mavs make a trade or Risacher, they keep him next to Flagg.

I like the concept as a rebuild for Mavs but don't think Hawks are feeling ready to contend. Though I might be wrong.

Trae, Dyson, JJ, Gueye, Davis -- Vit, Bufkin, Niang
Add in an NT-MLE, BAE, bring back Capela, Nance, LeVert

Hawks would keep Okongwu if they want to compete.

It would be Rissacher, Mann, Niang, Bufkin + salary of 13 imo.

Yea mavs wouldn't need OO. But I'd definitely look to move Risacher for the Mavs for a better fitting piece if this went down

[doogie_hauser]

Lets be real, and its not a judgment, the biggest reason Wolves fans want the team to move East isnt the travel, its the competition, or lack thereof. You essentially get a guarantee playoff spot without a play-in.

TBH - I think it’s more about having actual rivals. Chicago, Milwaukee, etc all have natural rivalries in other sports.

Yes, I’d love to attend a road game, or joke with the many local transplants here about a rivalry with Milwaukee or Chicago.

I’d also like to see the team not forced to get off planes at 4 am for back-to-backs that end in a road game.

But sure, the East is weaker. Still, I have confidence that MIN is more than a match for any western team not named OKC. Ditto in the east, except for BOS. Ant is just going to keep getting better.

EDIT: And there is no functional reason MIN is in the West to begin with. They were simply placed there when they were an expansion team with ORL. Taylor has been waiting for 30 years for the opportunity to relocate when the NBA added more western conference franchises, and it hasn’t been West > East every year for 30 years.

I assume two West Teams will move East once Seattle and most likely Las Vegas are admitted as expansion teams.

Will be Memphis and Minnesota I assume

[cucad8]

TBH - I think it’s more about having actual rivals. Chicago, Milwaukee, etc all have natural rivalries in other sports.

Yes, I’d love to attend a road game, or joke with the many local transplants here about a rivalry with Milwaukee or Chicago.

I’d also like to see the team not forced to get off planes at 4 am for back-to-backs that end in a road game.

But sure, the East is weaker. Still, I have confidence that MIN is more than a match for any western team not named OKC. Ditto in the east, except for BOS. Ant is just going to keep getting better.

EDIT: And there is no functional reason MIN is in the West to begin with. They were simply placed there when they were an expansion team with ORL. Taylor has been waiting for 30 years for the opportunity to relocate when the NBA added more western conference franchises, and it hasn’t been West > East every year for 30 years.

I assume two West Teams will move East once Seattle and most likely Las Vegas are admitted as expansion teams.

Will be Memphis and Minnesota I assume

Only 1 team will move east.

[jredsaz]

Houston out: Green, Brooks, Whitmore, 10
Houston in: Durant

Phoenix out: Durant
Phoenix in: Brooks, Claxton, Whitmore, 19, 26, 27

Brooklyn out: Claxton, 19, 26, 27
Brooklyn in: Green, 10

who says no?

Both the Nets and Suns likely do. That's too many picks plus Claxton plus having to take on Green just to move up 9 spots. For the Suns, there's no remotely "premium" piece in that deal.

Yeah the Nets need incentive to swap Green for Claxton - the picks are about a wash in this deal.

I'm sure Phoenix wants more for KD but I doubt they get it. They could get more pick value but not if they want useful players back.

That’s a wild evaluation. I don’t think 19/26/27 get the Nets 10.

[zimpy27]

Is there an AD to Atlanta trade that makes sense for both teams? AD would fit in exceptionally well with Trae Dyson and Jalen. With Atl owing SA future picks, they'd ideally want to win now. If Risacher is a key piece, what SG/PG could Dallas get for him? Could the 25 mil trade exception Atl has be included in a multi player deal?

Mavs get Risacher, Okongwu, Mann

Hawks get Davis


I don't think Mavs make a trade or Risacher, they keep him next to Flagg.

I like the concept as a rebuild for Mavs but don't think Hawks are feeling ready to contend. Though I might be wrong.

Trae, Dyson, JJ, Gueye, Davis -- Vit, Bufkin, Niang
Add in an NT-MLE, BAE, bring back Capela, Nance, LeVert

Hawks would keep Okongwu if they want to compete.

It would be Rissacher, Mann, Niang, Bufkin + salary of 13 imo.

Yeah could do that, I think cleaner might just be my trade but Hawks bring Gafford in to one of their TPEs.


Mavs get Risacher, Okongwu, Mann

Hawks get Davis, Gafford (TPE)

[TheNetsFan]

Both the Nets and Suns likely do. That's too many picks plus Claxton plus having to take on Green just to move up 9 spots. For the Suns, there's no remotely "premium" piece in that deal.

Yeah the Nets need incentive to swap Green for Claxton - the picks are about a wash in this deal.

I'm sure Phoenix wants more for KD but I doubt they get it. They could get more pick value but not if they want useful players back.

That’s a wild evaluation. I don’t think 19/26/27 get the Nets 10.

The 3 picks gets you to about 12. Claxton or eating bad salary would easily bridge the gap, both is overkill.

[jredsaz]

Yeah the Nets need incentive to swap Green for Claxton - the picks are about a wash in this deal.

I'm sure Phoenix wants more for KD but I doubt they get it. They could get more pick value but not if they want useful players back.

That’s a wild evaluation. I don’t think 19/26/27 get the Nets 10.

The 3 picks gets you to about 12. Claxton or eating bad salary would easily bridge the gap, both is overkill.

I mean maybe but jumping up in the draft is always player evaluation dependent. I think how Claxton and Green are valued is mostly based on positional need. I do think there is a reason the Nets have been linked to the Suns as a third team in transactions. I think the Nets probably do this if they have a player at 10 that they love.

[zimpy27]

Yeah the Nets need incentive to swap Green for Claxton - the picks are about a wash in this deal.

I'm sure Phoenix wants more for KD but I doubt they get it. They could get more pick value but not if they want useful players back.

That’s a wild evaluation. I don’t think 19/26/27 get the Nets 10.

The 3 picks gets you to about 12. Claxton or eating bad salary would easily bridge the gap, both is overkill.

26+27 might get you 21
21+19 will get you 14
Claxton+14 gets you to 10 I think.
If you're unhappy then swap 27 with 36.

[jredsaz]

What does it cost to move Harrison Barnes into the Nets cap space? Expiring $19M.

Do some seconds get it done?

[SlimShady83]

With the buzz about Lakers working out both Laravia/Day'Ron sharp? what can they offer both in FA?