Ben Simmons Containment Thread Take 3

Sportfan73 · Post #1501 » by **Sportfan73** » Sun Sep 5, 2021 11:07 pm

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gambitx777 · Post #1502 » by **gambitx777** » Sun Sep 5, 2021 11:20 pm

I wonder if the hawks could get involved
Their young wings have progressed pretty far. I wonder if they could get Ben.

Gallo and bogs
For
Simmons

That's a pretty decent, doesn't fix their PG situation. But they can go out on the scrap pile and try to retread Lin, IT, or someone else , maybe hope John wall gets a buy out. But man I think getting a decent player like Gallo and a really good player like bogs is a good return for Simmons. Maybe toss in a pick?

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stormi · Post #1503 » by **stormi** » Mon Sep 6, 2021 12:02 am

gambitx777 wrote:I wonder if the hawks could get involved
Their young wings have progressed pretty far. I wonder if they could get Ben.

Gallo and bogs
For
Simmons

That's a pretty decent, doesn't fix their PG situation. But they can go out on the scrap pile and try to retread Lin, IT, or someone else , maybe hope John wall gets a buy out. But man I think getting a decent player like Gallo and a really good player like bogs is a good return for Simmons. Maybe toss in a pick?

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Hawks saga has already come and went. They offered Gallo + Reddish around draft night. They envisioned Ben as a 6th man in the Lamar Odom role. Morey asked for Reddish + Hunter + Okongwu + picks. Hawks pulled out, and aren't interested in a Ben deal anymore.

NYG · Post #1504 » by **NYG** » Mon Sep 6, 2021 12:08 am

Kevin Love and Collin Sexton for Harrison Barnes and Tristan Thompson (traded to fourth team)

Collin Sexton, Buddy Hield and Kings Picks for Ben Simmons

Post #1505 » by **zimpy27** » Mon Sep 6, 2021 1:22 am

Sportfan73 wrote:

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Garland+Love+Okoro for Simmons+Curry+Joe

Garland, Thybulle, Green, Harris, Embiid -- Maxey, Okoro, Korkmaz, Reed, Love
Rubio, Sexton, Simmons, Mobley, Markannen -- Curry, Windler, Cedi, Wade, Allen

Probably most likely that Cavs are used for Rubio or Sexton as a third team

HotelVitale · Post #1506 » by **HotelVitale** » Mon Sep 6, 2021 2:40 am

gambitx777 wrote:I wonder if the hawks could get involved
Their young wings have progressed pretty far. I wonder if they could get Ben.
Gallo and bogs
For
Simmons
That's a pretty decent, doesn't fix their PG situation. But they can go out on the scrap pile and try to retread Lin, IT, or someone else , maybe hope John wall gets a buy out. But man I think getting a decent player like Gallo and a really good player like bogs is a good return for Simmons. Maybe toss in a pick? [/url]

Gallo's a super injury-prone 33 year old back-up big whom nobody wanted at that contract, and Bogdanovic is a decent 5th starter. I don't have high expectations for a Simmons trade but that one's not intriguing.

zimpy27 wrote: Garland+Love+Okoro for Simmons+Curry+Joe
Probably most likely that Cavs are used for Rubio or Sexton as a third team

I could see an argument for the value there (with Simmons at his current diminished price) but don't think the Sixers can take on two 20 year-olds to replace two big-minute starters. Garland and Okoro have solid prospect value but they weren't good players last year and Sixers can't be waiting around to see how things turn out in a year or two. (Curry was very important last year too--averaged 20+ in the PO--and the Sixers still need more scoring options.)

BoogieTime · Post #1507 » by **BoogieTime** » Mon Sep 6, 2021 2:53 am

NYG wrote:Kevin Love and Collin Sexton for Harrison Barnes and Tristan Thompson (traded to fourth team)

Collin Sexton, Buddy Hield and Kings Picks for Ben Simmons

I have a feeling Sexton might be in the Philly deal as a three way, no matter which team is getting Simmons

Regarding the picks I'll say it again, if it involves the Timberwolves or Kings, I expect no swaps, as they are close to picks when it involves a bad team swapping with a good team

Godaddycurse · Post #1508 » by **Godaddycurse** » Mon Sep 6, 2021 3:20 am

Wall + Wood + 2022 HOU 1st + 2023 HOU 1st + 2024 BRK 1st
for
Simmons + Harris

Sengun
Harris
KPJ
Green
Simmons

Embiid
Wood
Green
Curry
Wall

JRoy · Post #1509 » by **JRoy** » Mon Sep 6, 2021 3:27 am

Godaddycurse wrote:Wall + Wood + 2022 HOU 1st + 2023 HOU 1st + 2024 BRK 1st
for
Simmons + Harris

Sengun
Harris
KPJ
Green
Simmons

Embiid
Wood
Green
Curry
Wall

HOU has no business trading FRP at this stage in the rebuild

shrink · Post #1510 » by **shrink** » Mon Sep 6, 2021 3:39 am

NYG wrote:
Dat2U wrote:
NYG wrote:Not saying it's the right deal, but purely value-wise... How many unprotected picks could Philly get from Minnesota in a McDaniels/Bev/Prince for Simmons swap?

I doubt Philly goes for anything like that. They'll likely go for the best player they can get right now to pair with Embiid with a pick or two included if possible.

Just thinking more of a multi-team type that starts with that and branches off. Would they be able to get 4 unprotected 1sts? Minnesota keeps KAT, Russell, Edwards and Beasley.

With new ownership coming in, and no proof Rosas is going to keep his job, I really doubt Rosas has permission to hamstring the team’s future by giving up a Billy King level of unprotected picks, even if there was some indication Simmons was worth that.

shrink · Post #1511 » by **shrink** » Mon Sep 6, 2021 4:17 am

JRoy wrote:
Godaddycurse wrote:Wall + Wood + 2022 HOU 1st + 2023 HOU 1st + 2024 BRK 1st
for
Simmons + Harris

Sengun
Harris
KPJ
Green
Simmons

Embiid
Wood
Green
Curry
Wall

HOU has no business trading FRP at this stage in the rebuild

Agreed.

Also, the word out of Windhorst’s Hoop Collective podcast is that HOU didn’t turn down Morey’s offer for Harden (allegedly Simmons, Thybulle and 2 1sts) because of bad blood. They turned it down because trading Harden meant they were entering a rebuild, and thought it would be difficult to rebuild around Simmons’ odd skillset. I doubt that has changed since drafting Green.

NYG · Post #1512 » by **NYG** » Mon Sep 6, 2021 4:22 am

BoogieTime wrote:
NYG wrote:Kevin Love and Collin Sexton for Harrison Barnes and Tristan Thompson (traded to fourth team)

Collin Sexton, Buddy Hield and Kings Picks for Ben Simmons

I have a feeling Sexton might be in the Philly deal as a three way, no matter which team is getting Simmons

Regarding the picks I'll say it again, if it involves the Timberwolves or Kings, I expect no swaps, as they are close to picks when it involves a bad team swapping with a good team

I actually agree with someone in another thread that said Sexton/Hield wouldn't be a good fit together.

I bet in the end it's four or five teams, but how would that be constructed? I could see one of Minnesota OR Sacramento involved, Cleveland involved, a random team or two out of the following: Dallas, Houston, Memphis, New Orleans, OKC, Portland, San Antonio, Toronto or Washington.

If you had to use the formula of...

-4 (or 5) team trade
-Philadelphia is obviously involved so that's 1/4 (or 1/5)
-Choice of Minnesota or Sacramento being 2/4 (or 2/5)
-There's an element of Collin Sexton to Philadelphia which makes Cleveland 3/4 (or 3/5)
-Then you can involve any two random other teams (suggestions: Dallas, Houston, Memphis, New Orleans, OKC, Portland, San Antonio, Toronto or Washington)

...how would you go about constructing that deal?

Godaddycurse · Post #1513 » by **Godaddycurse** » Mon Sep 6, 2021 4:22 am

shrink wrote:
JRoy wrote:
Godaddycurse wrote:Wall + Wood + 2022 HOU 1st + 2023 HOU 1st + 2024 BRK 1st
for
Simmons + Harris

Sengun
Harris
KPJ
Green
Simmons

Embiid
Wood
Green
Curry
Wall

HOU has no business trading FRP at this stage in the rebuild

Agreed.

Also, the word out of Windhorst’s Hoop Collective podcast is that HOU didn’t turn down Morey’s offer for Harden (allegedly Simmons, Thybulle and 2 1sts) because of bad blood. They turned it down because trading Harden meant they were entering a rebuild, and thought it would be difficult to rebuild around Simmons’ odd skillset. I doubt that has changed since drafting Green.

I figure it might have changed now that they have green who can create in half court and close game for them...

NYG · Post #1514 » by **NYG** » Mon Sep 6, 2021 4:36 am

What about...

Marvin Bagley and Buddy Hield for Kevin Love and Collin Sexton? How far off am I on the first part?

How many picks would it cost to dump Kevin Love for Kenrich Williams to OKC?

Is Collin Sexton, Harrison Barnes and whatever remaining firsts you have after the Love dump enough for Ben Simmons?

Essentially...

Kings: Buddy Hield, Marvin Bagley, Harrison Barnes and Kings picks for Ben Simmons and Kenrich Williams

OKC: Kenrich Williams for Kevin Love and Kings picks

Philly: Ben Simmons for Harrison Barnes, Collin Sexton and remaining Kings picks from trade above

Cleveland: Kevin Love and Collin Sexton for Marvin Bagley (forwarded to another team for best 3-and-D wing possible) and Buddy Hield

Post #1515 » by **Darthlukey** » Mon Sep 6, 2021 5:41 am

Godaddycurse wrote:Wall + Wood + 2022 HOU 1st + 2023 HOU 1st + 2024 BRK 1st
for
Simmons + Harris

Sengun
Harris
KPJ
Green
Simmons

Embiid
Wood
Green
Curry
Wall

Are those picks even available to be traded by Houston? I havent looked, to be fair

Post #1516 » by **zimpy27** » Mon Sep 6, 2021 6:10 am

Godaddycurse wrote:
shrink wrote:
JRoy wrote:
HOU has no business trading FRP at this stage in the rebuild

Agreed.

Also, the word out of Windhorst’s Hoop Collective podcast is that HOU didn’t turn down Morey’s offer for Harden (allegedly Simmons, Thybulle and 2 1sts) because of bad blood. They turned it down because trading Harden meant they were entering a rebuild, and thought it would be difficult to rebuild around Simmons’ odd skillset. I doubt that has changed since drafting Green.

I figure it might have changed now that they have green who can create in half court and close game for them...

it's a unique idea. I think it's interesting

DroseReturnChi · Post #1517 » by **DroseReturnChi** » Mon Sep 6, 2021 6:10 am

gambitx777 wrote:I wonder if the hawks could get involved
Their young wings have progressed pretty far. I wonder if they could get Ben.

Gallo and bogs
For
Simmons

That's a pretty decent, doesn't fix their PG situation. But they can go out on the scrap pile and try to retread Lin, IT, or someone else , maybe hope John wall gets a buy out. But man I think getting a decent player like Gallo and a really good player like bogs is a good return for Simmons. Maybe toss in a pick?

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lol they are not gonna get trash and make hawks powerhouse. that would get u fired.
add hunter to that and it gets interesting.

babyjax13 · Post #1518 » by **babyjax13** » Mon Sep 6, 2021 7:29 am

The Cleveland thing is actually kind of interesting, I wonder if it could be a three-way? e.g.

Cleveland trades: Collin Sexton
Cleveland receives: 2022 OKC 1st (1-8, 1-4, 1-2, unprotected), 2024 LAC 1st
Cleveland gets a reasonable chance a late lottery pick or mid first, plus another first, in return for a player that seems less and less to be a part of their future plans.

Oklahoma City trades: 2022 OKC 1st (1-8, 1-4, 1-2, unprotected), 2023 MIA 1st (1-14 protected through 2025, then unprotected in 2026), 2024 LAC 1st, 2025 PHI 1st (1-6, 1-4, 1-4, otherwise 2027 2nd), Kenrich Williams
Oklahoma City receives: Ben Simmons
OKC turns some of their trove of picks into a star player. They should be able to put together one of the more unique lineups in the league with SGA-Dort-Giddey-Poku-Simmons.

Philadelphia trades: Ben Simmons
Philadelphia receives: Collin Sexton, Kenrich Williams, 2023 MIA 1st (1-14 protected through 2025, then unprotected in 2026), 2025 PHI 1st (1-6, 1-4, 1-4, otherwise 2027 2nd)
Philly gets some picks, a volume backcourt scorer, a nice 7th man, and saves a ton of money.

gambitx777 · Post #1519 » by **gambitx777** » Mon Sep 6, 2021 8:11 am

I just saw a report that they actually requested Steph or klay for Simmons lol omg, I can't even begin lol.

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OGSactownballer · Post #1520 » by **OGSactownballer** » Mon Sep 6, 2021 9:36 am

Darthlukey wrote:
Godaddycurse wrote:Wall + Wood + 2022 HOU 1st + 2023 HOU 1st + 2024 BRK 1st
for
Simmons + Harris

Sengun
Harris
KPJ
Green
Simmons

Embiid
Wood
Green
Curry
Wall

Are those picks even available to be traded by Houston? I havent looked, to be fair

It cannot be their own ‘22 and ‘23. You cannot trade back to back firsts.

And I agree with the earlier comments. Houston isn’t reading any picks until somebody becomes their next star in the Harden vein. They cannot afford to after a full tank/rebuild commitment. Because ultimately the scatter shot of “get lots of firsts so you have lots of possibles” will be extremely lucky to Ian out to ONE star level player.

That means a consolidation trade if some of the rest and picks for a second star - just about three years from now.