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[BullyKing]

My concern for Indy was if we traded Brogdon for Simmons what happens if Simmons doesn't show up? We run with McConnell? Who backs him up?

That's Indiana' problem to solve, not Philly's problem to add more value. If Indy believes Simmons won't report, then they shouldn't trade for him, but they don't get to have Philly just give them more value.

It's a made up concern any way. He claims they need Maxey because if Simmons doesn't report, they only have McConnell. But do get Maxey, he is proposing that Indiana sends McConnell.

[Helsbyte]

Indiana should really consider the offense Rick could put together with a team of Curry, Brogdon, Simmons, Warren, Turner -- McConnell, Duarte, JHoliday, Oshae, Goga. With a few strong defenders. That is an awesome team.

For me the inclusion of Curry makes it less appealing. I am assuming in your scenario you have Sabonis and Levert as the out going trade pieces. Perhaps again I am wrong in value but I have Sabonis over Simmons and LeVert over Curry. Why would Indy do this?

I have Simmons slightly better than Sabonis, which reflects the GB player ranking polls. I have LeVert as slightly better than Curry.
In combination the salaries are similar. Feels like an even trade.

The beauty of it for Indy is the fit. Carlisle is a fan of Simmons and we've already seen what he can do with Seth Curry. I think Indy obviously knocks it out of the park with this trade.

Simmons might be better than Sabonis(debatable) but Sabonis is the better trade asset. His contract is far superior to Simmons for similar players.

[Texas Chuck]

My concern for Indy was if we traded Brogdon for Simmons what happens if Simmons doesn't show up? We run with McConnell? Who backs him up?

That's Indiana' problem to solve, not Philly's problem to add more value. If Indy believes Simmons won't report, then they shouldn't trade for him, but they don't get to have Philly just give them more value.

I agree that Indy shouldn't trade for him if he isn't going to play here. But I am sure Philly thought they were good when they signed him to his contract and wouldn't be in this situation. It isn't Indy's job to make Philly a championship team that is Philly's job to solve.

Literally nobody is saying that Indy's job. But you are literally saying that about Philly.

And you proposed the idea we are discussing lol. If you honestly thought that was the Pacers just handing a championship team to Philly, don't propose it. But nobody is thinking downgrading from Simmons to Brogdon is such a great fit as to make them a championship team so its moot.

[Helsbyte]

And also, Maxey is better then McConnell current day too.

Current day? Or what you hope Maxey becomes? I get liking the potential of Maxey over McConnell being what he is, and can see justifying value based on that. But looking at what they did last year, in what way is Maxey better, other than being willing and able to score more?
RAPTOR has Maxey at a -2.4. McConnell a +2.3.
WAR Maxey .2, McConnell 4.7
McConnell has a higher PER, higher TS%, higher TRB%, over twice the Ast%, higher Steal% higher VORP, higher WS/48, higher BPM, better ORTG, better DRTG, comparative to overall team DRTG.
Maxey isn't a better shooter. So other than scoring on volume, in what way is he better right now?

Hit them with the facts! They hate that.

[Helsbyte]

That's Indiana' problem to solve, not Philly's problem to add more value. If Indy believes Simmons won't report, then they shouldn't trade for him, but they don't get to have Philly just give them more value.

I agree that Indy shouldn't trade for him if he isn't going to play here. But I am sure Philly thought they were good when they signed him to his contract and wouldn't be in this situation. It isn't Indy's job to make Philly a championship team that is Philly's job to solve.

Literally nobody is saying that Indy's job. But you are literally saying that about Philly.

And you proposed the idea we are discussing lol. If you honestly thought that was the Pacers just handing a championship team to Philly, don't propose it. But nobody is thinking downgrading from Simmons to Brogdon is such a great fit as to make them a championship team so its moot.

The Indiana proposal to everyone's knowledge was Brogdon plus a 1st. I am just working off that. And I have McConnell more valuable than Maxey......see above.
If you have Maxey as a deal breaker then ok, that is your opinion.

[OGSactownballer]

Going out on a limb here but based on Morey’s history and style I am going to say that despite whatever media noise that Simmons does NOT get traded to any East team that is in direct contention with Philly through Embiid’s prime.

[Texas Chuck]

And also, Maxey is better then McConnell current day too.

Current day? Or what you hope Maxey becomes? I get liking the potential of Maxey over McConnell being what he is, and can see justifying value based on that. But looking at what they did last year, in what way is Maxey better, other than being willing and able to score more?
RAPTOR has Maxey at a -2.4. McConnell a +2.3.
WAR Maxey .2, McConnell 4.7
McConnell has a higher PER, higher TS%, higher TRB%, over twice the Ast%, higher Steal% higher VORP, higher WS/48, higher BPM, better ORTG, better DRTG, comparative to overall team DRTG.
Maxey isn't a better shooter. So other than scoring on volume, in what way is he better right now?

Hit them with the facts! They hate that.

Huh? TJ being the better current player doesn't mean he has more trade value. Unless you think DeRozan has more value than Cade? But I'm guessing you don't.

[mszymko]

How does this look?


76'ers Out: Simmons, T Harris, 1st round pick
76'ers In: Lillard, Covington

Why for 76'ers: Move on from Ben, put some serious star power next to Embiid.


POR Out: Lillard, Covington, Nance Jr
POR In: Wall, Simmons, x1 first rd pick & x1 first rd swap

Why for Portland? Dame's getting restless, they get a nice haul for him and have a solid core to build from in Wall, McCullum, and Simmons + Picks.


HOU Out: Wall, 1st round pick swap
HOU In: Harris, Nance Jr

Why for Houston? They're looking to move Wall and this trade earns them +9 wins on ESPN's trade machi

[Texas Chuck]

How does this look?


76'ers Out: Simmons, T Harris, 1st round pick
76'ers In: Lillard, Covington

Why for 76'ers: Move on from Ben, put some serious star power next to Embiid.


POR Out: Lillard, Covington, Nance Jr
POR In: Wall, Simmons, x1 first rd pick & x1 first rd swap

Why for Portland? Dame's getting restless, they get a nice haul for him and have a solid core to build from in Wall, McCullum, and Simmons + Picks.


HOU Out: Wall, 1st round pick swap
HOU In: Harris, Nance Jr

Why for Houston? They're looking to move Wall and this trade earns them +9 wins on ESPN's trade machi

This looks horrific for Portland. Like I can't tell you enough how far apart this is on value, but its miles and miles and miles apart.

[BullyKing]

How does this look?


76'ers Out: Simmons, T Harris, 1st round pick
76'ers In: Lillard, Covington

Why for 76'ers: Move on from Ben, put some serious star power next to Embiid.


POR Out: Lillard, Covington, Nance Jr
POR In: Wall, Simmons, x1 first rd pick & x1 first rd swap

Why for Portland? Dame's getting restless, they get a nice haul for him and have a solid core to build from in Wall, McCullum, and Simmons + Picks.


HOU Out: Wall, 1st round pick swap
HOU In: Harris, Nance Jr

Why for Houston? They're looking to move Wall and this trade earns them +9 wins on ESPN's trade machi

Really, really rough for Houston. Too good for Houston and way too good for Philly.

[Helsbyte]

Current day? Or what you hope Maxey becomes? I get liking the potential of Maxey over McConnell being what he is, and can see justifying value based on that. But looking at what they did last year, in what way is Maxey better, other than being willing and able to score more?
RAPTOR has Maxey at a -2.4. McConnell a +2.3.
WAR Maxey .2, McConnell 4.7
McConnell has a higher PER, higher TS%, higher TRB%, over twice the Ast%, higher Steal% higher VORP, higher WS/48, higher BPM, better ORTG, better DRTG, comparative to overall team DRTG.
Maxey isn't a better shooter. So other than scoring on volume, in what way is he better right now?

Hit them with the facts! They hate that.

Huh? TJ being the better current player doesn't mean he has more trade value. Unless you think DeRozan has more value than Cade? But I'm guessing you don't.

You apparently have Maxey as a future star player, good luck with that. Maybe 3 or 4 years down the line he will be, maybe not. If Philly is wanting to wait on that development then ok. I am working under the assumption that they are trying to put winning pieces around Embid. I could be wrong. But it does seem to me that Brogdon/McConnellwould be more valuable to Philly than Simmons/Maxey right now.

[cucad8]

How does this look?


76'ers Out: Simmons, T Harris, 1st round pick
76'ers In: Lillard, Covington

Why for 76'ers: Move on from Ben, put some serious star power next to Embiid.


POR Out: Lillard, Covington, Nance Jr
POR In: Wall, Simmons, x1 first rd pick & x1 first rd swap

Why for Portland? Dame's getting restless, they get a nice haul for him and have a solid core to build from in Wall, McCullum, and Simmons + Picks.


HOU Out: Wall, 1st round pick swap
HOU In: Harris, Nance Jr

Why for Houston? They're looking to move Wall and this trade earns them +9 wins on ESPN's trade machi

Well, Portland wouldn't do Lillard for Simmons, 1 pick, and 1 swap. To then add in Covington and Nance for Wall is really really bad.

[Texas Chuck]

You apparently have Maxey as a future star player, good luck with that.

Stop strawmanning. I'm trying really hard to engage with you as a poster and not a mod, but you are making it impossible as you keep assigning other people ridiculous positions to justify your arguments.

IF you aren't here to discuss in good faith, move on to another topic please.

[Helsbyte]

You apparently have Maxey as a future star player, good luck with that.

Stop strawmanning. I'm trying really hard to engage with you as a poster and not a mod, but you are making it impossible as you keep assigning other people ridiculous positions to justify your arguments.

IF you aren't here to discuss in good faith, move on to another topic please.

You take one line out of a paragraph and put it into the context that fits your views and leave the rest out.
You value Maxey more than me....fact. That is what I said.. Sorry I said star and you got your feathers ruffled.

[Ruzious]

How does this look?


76'ers Out: Simmons, T Harris, 1st round pick
76'ers In: Lillard, Covington

Why for 76'ers: Move on from Ben, put some serious star power next to Embiid.


POR Out: Lillard, Covington, Nance Jr
POR In: Wall, Simmons, x1 first rd pick & x1 first rd swap

Why for Portland? Dame's getting restless, they get a nice haul for him and have a solid core to build from in Wall, McCullum, and Simmons + Picks.


HOU Out: Wall, 1st round pick swap
HOU In: Harris, Nance Jr

Why for Houston? They're looking to move Wall and this trade earns them +9 wins on ESPN's trade machi

I think the Portland fans would march on their stadium. Wall would be an awful fit when adding Simmons - 2 guys who can't shoot 3's. Not to mention you're giving up excellent defenders in Covington and Nance.

[Texas Chuck]

You apparently have Maxey as a future star player, good luck with that.

Stop strawmanning. I'm trying really hard to engage with you as a poster and not a mod, but you are making it impossible as you keep assigning other people ridiculous positions to justify your arguments.

IF you aren't here to discuss in good faith, move on to another topic please.

You take one line out of a paragraph and put it into the context that fits your views and leave the rest out.
You value Maxey more than me....fact. That is what I said.. Sorry I said star and you got your feathers ruffled.

No. I don't care that we disagree on value. I disagree with people on value all day every day. Who cares.
I care that you assign other posters absurd positions to justify yours. I said nothing about Indy being a farm team or Maxey being a star, but you put those in there to make your position seem sensible and mine unreasonable.

This is posting 101 no-no's. Please stop. I'm now officially asking you as a board mod to stop with the extras. And to be clear, I am not telling you how you have to value players. If you value TJ over Maxey I disagree, but fine. If you value Brogdon and a 1st more than Simmons, fine, I don't care.

But you cannot keep assigning ludicrous positions to other posters. Not an acceptable form of argument.

[Sportfan73]

Stop strawmanning. I'm trying really hard to engage with you as a poster and not a mod, but you are making it impossible as you keep assigning other people ridiculous positions to justify your arguments.

IF you aren't here to discuss in good faith, move on to another topic please.

You take one line out of a paragraph and put it into the context that fits your views and leave the rest out.
You value Maxey more than me....fact. That is what I said.. Sorry I said star and you got your feathers ruffled.

No. I don't care that we disagree on value. I disagree with people on value all day every day. Who cares.
I care that you assign other posters absurd positions to justify yours. I said nothing about Indy being a farm team or Maxey being a star, but you put those in there to make your position seem sensible and mine unreasonable.

This is posting 101 no-no's. Please stop. I'm now officially asking you as a board mod to stop with the extras. And to be clear, I am not telling you how you have to value players. If you value TJ over Maxey I disagree, but fine. If you value Brogdon and a 1st more than Simmons, fine, I don't care.

But you cannot keep assigning ludicrous positions to other posters. Not an acceptable form of argument.

I would just say from Phillys point of view they probably don’t move Maxey unless it’s for a star or really close to a star that plays the exact same position and doesn’t fit with him, like maybe fox

[Helsbyte]

Stop strawmanning. I'm trying really hard to engage with you as a poster and not a mod, but you are making it impossible as you keep assigning other people ridiculous positions to justify your arguments.

IF you aren't here to discuss in good faith, move on to another topic please.

You take one line out of a paragraph and put it into the context that fits your views and leave the rest out.
You value Maxey more than me....fact. That is what I said.. Sorry I said star and you got your feathers ruffled.

No. I don't care that we disagree on value. I disagree with people on value all day every day. Who cares.
I care that you assign other posters absurd positions to justify yours. I said nothing about Indy being a farm team or Maxey being a star, but you put those in there to make your position seem sensible and mine unreasonable.

This is posting 101 no-no's. Please stop. I'm now officially asking you as a board mod to stop with the extras. And to be clear, I am not telling you how you have to value players. If you value TJ over Maxey I disagree, but fine. If you value Brogdon and a 1st more than Simmons, fine, I don't care.

But you cannot keep assigning ludicrous positions to other posters. Not an acceptable form of argument.

Playing your MOD card! LOL. Don't worry I will just read and won't post again.

By the way I never ever referred to you in any post as saying you said "farm team". You assumed.

[zimpy27]

For me the inclusion of Curry makes it less appealing. I am assuming in your scenario you have Sabonis and Levert as the out going trade pieces. Perhaps again I am wrong in value but I have Sabonis over Simmons and LeVert over Curry. Why would Indy do this?

I have Simmons slightly better than Sabonis, which reflects the GB player ranking polls. I have LeVert as slightly better than Curry.
In combination the salaries are similar. Feels like an even trade.

The beauty of it for Indy is the fit. Carlisle is a fan of Simmons and we've already seen what he can do with Seth Curry. I think Indy obviously knocks it out of the park with this trade.

Simmons might be better than Sabonis(debatable) but Sabonis is the better trade asset. His contract is far superior to Simmons for similar players.

LeVert might be slightly better than Curry but Curry's contract is far superior.

Together it works. If Indy wanted to negotiate for a little more they could to offset salary value differences

[JRoy]

How does this look?


76'ers Out: Simmons, T Harris, 1st round pick
76'ers In: Lillard, Covington

Why for 76'ers: Move on from Ben, put some serious star power next to Embiid.


POR Out: Lillard, Covington, Nance Jr
POR In: Wall, Simmons, x1 first rd pick & x1 first rd swap

Why for Portland? Dame's getting restless, they get a nice haul for him and have a solid core to build from in Wall, McCullum, and Simmons + Picks.


HOU Out: Wall, 1st round pick swap
HOU In: Harris, Nance Jr

Why for Houston? They're looking to move Wall and this trade earns them +9 wins on ESPN's trade machi

No thanks from POR.

I may be in the minority of POR fans but I’d love to make a deal for YSBS, zero interest in picking up the bill for Wall as he addresses none of our needs.