Thoughts in General, Rumors, etc 4.0

[Scoot McGroot]

Has Beasley, McDaniels & protected pick been discussed for Turner?

Beasley has had a rough time adjusting to Edwards’ ascension but he’s year removed from 19ppg & 40% from 3 on 9 shots & is 25. Also seems like a nice fit with Brogdon. McDaniels probably won’t ever be anything special but can play next to Sabonis. Add in some draft capital and could be decent.

Not terribly, but it’s close to the best Minnesota can offer. I think Indy would want Beverley instead of Beasley, as we have dire need of a PG for the rest of this season with McConnell out.

Also, the drafting and solid play of our (24 year old) lotto pick Chris Duarte would probably make Beasley less interesting. He’s not too expensive, but he’d probably be coming off the bench behind Duarte this year or next, at the latest.

Yeah Duarte seems to be the real roadblock here but on the flip side, one can never have too many shooters.

Interesting you would want Beverly but I get the reasoning. I would think he would be at most throw in salary filler and not much value.

Simply, we need PG’s right now. Brad Wannamaker is guaranteed minutes off the bench because he’s the only guy that can play it right now, and that’s painful. Sure, he’s basically throw in salary filler, but he can play the 1. And we desperately need that.

[Commodor]

Not terribly, but it’s close to the best Minnesota can offer. I think Indy would want Beverley instead of Beasley, as we have dire need of a PG for the rest of this season with McConnell out.

Also, the drafting and solid play of our (24 year old) lotto pick Chris Duarte would probably make Beasley less interesting. He’s not too expensive, but he’d probably be coming off the bench behind Duarte this year or next, at the latest.

Yeah Duarte seems to be the real roadblock here but on the flip side, one can never have too many shooters.

Interesting you would want Beverly but I get the reasoning. I would think he would be at most throw in salary filler and not much value.

Simply, we need PG’s right now. Brad Wannamaker is guaranteed minutes off the bench because he’s the only guy that can play it right now, and that’s painful. Sure, he’s basically throw in salary filler, but he can play the 1. And we desperately need that.

Very interesting.

Would Indy be interested in Fultz when he eventually comes back?

Maybe something around a healthy Isaac & Fultz for Sabonis? Orlando has PG for days and Fultz is the expensive man out.

Lot of overall risk there but you get a pg and Isaac-Turner would be a solid front court. Wouldn't be a complete tear down but still young pieces.

[Scoot McGroot]

Yeah Duarte seems to be the real roadblock here but on the flip side, one can never have too many shooters.

Interesting you would want Beverly but I get the reasoning. I would think he would be at most throw in salary filler and not much value.

Simply, we need PG’s right now. Brad Wannamaker is guaranteed minutes off the bench because he’s the only guy that can play it right now, and that’s painful. Sure, he’s basically throw in salary filler, but he can play the 1. And we desperately need that.

Very interesting.

Would Indy be interested in Fultz when he eventually comes back?

Probably not. McConnell is only out this season, so Fultz would be a clog on the cap next year when he does. And, he’s not even healthy to play yet, so he’s definitely not a value in any way to Indy.

Maybe something around a healthy Isaac & Fultz for Sabonis? Orlando has PG for days and Fultz is the expensive man out.

Lot of overall risk there but you get a pg and Isaac-Turner would be a solid front court. Wouldn't be a complete tear down but still young pieces.

Probably too much risk? This would be an absolute process type tanking deal in dealing Sabonis for 2 guys on long-term deals coming back from major injuries, and still not playing. I think Indy would probably value health, and availability in any potential moves. We’ve been burned lately on acquiring health risks, and it’s a large part of what’s hurt us lately.


Plus, it doesn’t come close to working legally. Sabonis makes $19.7m. Isaac and Fultz combine to make $33.9m. Indy can’t easily make up that gap and stay under the luxury tax. I don’t see the players, or the contracts making any sense for Indy.

[Resistance]

Yeah Duarte seems to be the real roadblock here but on the flip side, one can never have too many shooters.

Interesting you would want Beverly but I get the reasoning. I would think he would be at most throw in salary filler and not much value.

Simply, we need PG’s right now. Brad Wannamaker is guaranteed minutes off the bench because he’s the only guy that can play it right now, and that’s painful. Sure, he’s basically throw in salary filler, but he can play the 1. And we desperately need that.

Very interesting.

Would Indy be interested in Fultz when he eventually comes back?

Maybe something around a healthy Isaac & Fultz for Sabonis? Orlando has PG for days and Fultz is the expensive man out.

Lot of overall risk there but you get a pg and Isaac-Turner would be a solid front court. Wouldn't be a complete tear down but still young pieces.

I haven't seen a detailed plan from the Pacers, but there might be a shift from bargain shopping from the pool of players that have had health/medical flags. If the Pacers do make such a shift, then they will be more reluctant to trade for the Isaac & Fultz types of players.

[doctor him]

Wonder if Indiana is gonna come in and be a player in the Ben sweepstakes

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I think as part of a 3 team deal - Yes.

Move a Sabonis or Turner for what the Sixers need and get Simmons back.

That seems like a proper framework and makes sense. Indy is going absolutely nowhere with that mix of players but they have some mid tier talent there. They aren't horrible.

[Commodor]

I haven't seen a detailed plan from the Pacers, but there might be a shift from bargain shopping from the pool of players that have had health/medical flags. If the Pacers do make such a shift, then they will be more reluctant to trade for the Isaac & Fultz types of players.

Yeah I have just read headlines so I am just spitballing here, I totally see why Isaac & Fultz would be a very difficult choice.

If Indy is committed to a tank though and don't mind Fultz and Isaac playing too much this year they could have a fun team next year in Brogdon/Fultz/Duarte/Isaac/Turner + High 1st.

Not even sure if ORL would bite, don't really know how they value their pieces. I would imagine de-clogging the PG situation and getting a healthy known all star in the middle would be appealing. Bamba has played well but they need to pay him soon. If there's hesitation there this may be a safer way to spend that money.

[Commodor]

Probably too much risk? This would be an absolute process type tanking deal in dealing Sabonis for 2 guys on long-term deals coming back from major injuries, and still not playing. I think Indy would probably value health, and availability in any potential moves. We’ve been burned lately on acquiring health risks, and it’s a large part of what’s hurt us lately.


Plus, it doesn’t come close to working legally. Sabonis makes $19.7m. Isaac and Fultz combine to make $33.9m. Indy can’t easily make up that gap and stay under the luxury tax. I don’t see the players, or the contracts making any sense for Indy.

Yeah you concerns all make sense. It would definitely signal Indy is in tank-tear down mode for the season which has not been their message necessarily to this point.

As for making the money work, adding either Lamb, Levert or Holiday+Goga works in the trade machine. I have no idea how Indy values them but from a purely cash stand point that could work. I'd also expect a follow up move to move Levert or Lamb for cap relief if the original deal occurred.

The deal would result in a lost season but next year there'd be a lot of youth, strong young vets & high end 1st ready to compete. Indy is not necessarily out of the playoffs at this point but if things continue to deteriorate until the deadline what's half a season of scrubs if it means a strong team returning 2022?

[Scoot McGroot]

Probably too much risk? This would be an absolute process type tanking deal in dealing Sabonis for 2 guys on long-term deals coming back from major injuries, and still not playing. I think Indy would probably value health, and availability in any potential moves. We’ve been burned lately on acquiring health risks, and it’s a large part of what’s hurt us lately.


Plus, it doesn’t come close to working legally. Sabonis makes $19.7m. Isaac and Fultz combine to make $33.9m. Indy can’t easily make up that gap and stay under the luxury tax. I don’t see the players, or the contracts making any sense for Indy.

Yeah you concerns all make sense. It would definitely signal Indy is in tank-tear down mode for the season which has not been their message necessarily to this point.

And has specifically been noted as NOT happening in this process in Indy.

As for making the money work, adding either Lamb, Levert or Holiday+Goga works in the trade machine. I have no idea how Indy values them but from a purely cash stand point that could work.

Maybe. But there's a $14m gap there. Lamb is basically filler right now, so that's $10.5m. Levert could be moved, for sure, but there has to be some meaning there. Holiday is a really key player. He's essentially our super 6th man. We have no interest in moving him, and the price would go up if he's included. Goga is blocked by Turner and Sabonis, but he's still our promising young center we spent a mid 1st on. Including him would increase the cost quite a bit. Lamb is the only guy you mentioned who is just a "throw-in" salary wise. Every one else is valuable or a key player. But even just including Lamb means that Indy would go well into the luxury tax this year, which is a complete no go. Especially if tanking (which we specifically aren't).

I'd also expect a follow up move to move Levert or Lamb for cap relief if the original deal occurred.

Lamb would specifically have to be in the previous deal just to be legal. But even then, you've just made a bad deal that now forces you to make another bad deal to undo the issues with the previous bad deal. I think we'd be better off just not doing the original one, and instead making an original deal that makes more sense?

The deal would result in a lost season but next year there'd be a lot of youth, strong young vets & high end 1st ready to compete. Indy is not necessarily out of the playoffs at this point but if things continue to deteriorate until the deadline what's half a season of scrubs if it means a strong team returning 2022?

We don't know that it's a strong team, though. Fultz hasn't been a good player since college. Isaac hasn't played in an awful long time, and his game was predicated on athleticism. I just see issues with that. I'm not at all against a deal. But I'm definitely against making a bad deal that forces you into more bad deals.

[Troubadour]

Assuming most have seen this already, but definitely should inform discussions if you haven't!

Link: https://theathletic.com/3005965/2021/12/09/as-pacers-consider-shake-up-myles-turner-seeks-bigger-role-with-more-opportunity/

“It’s clear that I’m not valued as anything more than a glorified role player here, and I want something more, more opportunity,” Turner told The Athletic Tuesday. “I’m trying really hard to make the role that I’m given here work and find a way to maximize it. I’ve been trying to the past two, three seasons. But it’s clear to me that, just numbers-wise, I’m not valued as more than a rotational role player, and I hold myself in a higher regard than that.”

[Scoot McGroot]

Assuming most have seen this already, but definitely should inform discussions if you haven't!

Link: https://theathletic.com/3005965/2021/12/09/as-pacers-consider-shake-up-myles-turner-seeks-bigger-role-with-more-opportunity/

“It’s clear that I’m not valued as anything more than a glorified role player here, and I want something more, more opportunity,” Turner told The Athletic Tuesday. “I’m trying really hard to make the role that I’m given here work and find a way to maximize it. I’ve been trying to the past two, three seasons. But it’s clear to me that, just numbers-wise, I’m not valued as more than a rotational role player, and I hold myself in a higher regard than that.”

If you read the rest of the article, it really changes that completely. Turner himself disproves that quote a ton in it.

[Troubadour]

Assuming most have seen this already, but definitely should inform discussions if you haven't!

Link: https://theathletic.com/3005965/2021/12/09/as-pacers-consider-shake-up-myles-turner-seeks-bigger-role-with-more-opportunity/

“It’s clear that I’m not valued as anything more than a glorified role player here, and I want something more, more opportunity,” Turner told The Athletic Tuesday. “I’m trying really hard to make the role that I’m given here work and find a way to maximize it. I’ve been trying to the past two, three seasons. But it’s clear to me that, just numbers-wise, I’m not valued as more than a rotational role player, and I hold myself in a higher regard than that.”

If you read the rest of the article, it really changes that completely. Turner himself disproves that quote a ton in it.

That's fair. The more I read it, the more I came away with the impression he'd fit in really well in Toronto. Not really sure there's a trade to be made, but I like the idea of a VanVleet / Anunoby / Barnes / Siakam / Turner. Not sure Indiana is satisfied with Trent Jr ++ as a return for Turner, though.

[Resistance]

Assuming most have seen this already, but definitely should inform discussions if you haven't!

Link: https://theathletic.com/3005965/2021/12/09/as-pacers-consider-shake-up-myles-turner-seeks-bigger-role-with-more-opportunity/

If you read the rest of the article, it really changes that completely. Turner himself disproves that quote a ton in it.

That's fair. The more I read it, the more I came away with the impression he'd fit in really well in Toronto. Not really sure there's a trade to be made, but I like the idea of a VanVleet / Anunoby / Barnes / Siakam / Turner. Not sure Indiana is satisfied with Trent Jr ++ as a return for Turner, though.

Trent overlaps too much with Duarte. Since Duarte is on a rookie contract, he will be paid roughly the same over four seasons what Trent will be paid in one season.

Find a third team for Trent that will send value to the Pacers. Do note that some fans on other teams would like to move similar players (Hardaway, Fournier, Hield etc) and there doesn't seem to be a strong market.

[Troubadour]

If you read the rest of the article, it really changes that completely. Turner himself disproves that quote a ton in it.

That's fair. The more I read it, the more I came away with the impression he'd fit in really well in Toronto. Not really sure there's a trade to be made, but I like the idea of a VanVleet / Anunoby / Barnes / Siakam / Turner. Not sure Indiana is satisfied with Trent Jr ++ as a return for Turner, though.

Trent overlaps too much with Duarte. Since Duarte is on a rookie contract, he will be paid roughly the same over four seasons what Trent will be paid in one season.

Find a third team for Trent that will send value to the Pacers. Do note that some fans on other teams would like to move similar players (Hardaway, Fournier, Hield etc) and there doesn't seem to be a strong market.

Big difference is Trent is 22 and plays defence.

[Resistance]

That's fair. The more I read it, the more I came away with the impression he'd fit in really well in Toronto. Not really sure there's a trade to be made, but I like the idea of a VanVleet / Anunoby / Barnes / Siakam / Turner. Not sure Indiana is satisfied with Trent Jr ++ as a return for Turner, though.

Trent overlaps too much with Duarte. Since Duarte is on a rookie contract, he will be paid roughly the same over four seasons what Trent will be paid in one season.

Find a third team for Trent that will send value to the Pacers. Do note that some fans on other teams would like to move similar players (Hardaway, Fournier, Hield etc) and there doesn't seem to be a strong market.

Big difference is Trent is 22 and plays defence.

Yes, but there are only 30 teams in the league and thus a limited number of possible destinations for trade candidates.


1. Detroit -- Not sure what their plans are. Probably prefers to keep high draft picks for a while rather than send a first to OKC.
2. Orlando -- Has Hampton, Suggs and Anthony. Probably prefers to keep a high lottery pick.
3. New Orleans -- No idea
4. OKC -- Presti likes his draft picks. Maybe to doubtful
5. Houston -- Has Green, Porter and Mathews (Two Way)
6. San Antonio -- Has plenty of Guards. Primo on a Rookie contract.
7. Indiana -- Has Duarte
8. Portland -- Has McCollum & Powell
9. Minnesota -- Has Edwards
10. Toronto -- ...................
11. Sacramento -- Has Hield situation to resolve
12. New York -- Has Fournier
13. Boston -- They could use Trent.
14. Charlotte -- Has Rozier and Bouknight
15. Dallas -- Has Hardaway
16. Denver -- Poor on draft picks.
17. Lakers -- They would likely want Trent, but they are poor on pick assets
18. Atlanta -- Has Bogdanovic and Huerter
19. Cleveland -- Needs to resolve Sexton situation
20. Clippers -- Poor on draft picks. Has Kennard
21. Memphis -- Not sure what their plans are.
22. Philadelphia -- Needs to resolve Simmons situation first.
23. Washington -- Has Beal
24. Miami -- What salary are they sending out?
25. Milwaukee -- Thin on picks. Has Allen
26. Chicago -- Has LaVine
27. Brooklyn -- Has Harden, Harris and maybe Irving
28. Utah -- Has D Mitchell
29. Phoenix -- Has Booker
30. Golden State -- Has Poole and Thompson

[Scoot McGroot]

That's fair. The more I read it, the more I came away with the impression he'd fit in really well in Toronto. Not really sure there's a trade to be made, but I like the idea of a VanVleet / Anunoby / Barnes / Siakam / Turner. Not sure Indiana is satisfied with Trent Jr ++ as a return for Turner, though.

Trent overlaps too much with Duarte. Since Duarte is on a rookie contract, he will be paid roughly the same over four seasons what Trent will be paid in one season.

Find a third team for Trent that will send value to the Pacers. Do note that some fans on other teams would like to move similar players (Hardaway, Fournier, Hield etc) and there doesn't seem to be a strong market.

Big difference is Trent is 22 and plays defence.

Duarte is 24, still pretty fresh to the game (a rookie that didn't start playing basketball in his teenage years), and plays really solid defense. I would think that the rookie contract/contractual control and still emerging skills would sell Duarte as the better player/piece. Even if he plays his rookie deal and post rookie extension with Indy, Duarte would still be playing for Indy from roughly 24-32. Those are pretty much prime years for a wing, all before he ever hits unrestricted free agency.

[Scoot McGroot]

Assuming most have seen this already, but definitely should inform discussions if you haven't!

Link: https://theathletic.com/3005965/2021/12/09/as-pacers-consider-shake-up-myles-turner-seeks-bigger-role-with-more-opportunity/

If you read the rest of the article, it really changes that completely. Turner himself disproves that quote a ton in it.

That's fair. The more I read it, the more I came away with the impression he'd fit in really well in Toronto. Not really sure there's a trade to be made, but I like the idea of a VanVleet / Anunoby / Barnes / Siakam / Turner. Not sure Indiana is satisfied with Trent Jr ++ as a return for Turner, though.

Yeah. I think it's fair and consistent that Myles has absolutely wanted to be a bigger piece of the puzzle. For so long, he's sacrificed his stats to help the team, and the team ultimately hasn't achieved as he hoped. Some of it, though, is really on Myles. In game, we've been playing a pretty free flow offense, and often, when he's the best and most open shot or attack, he still instinctually looks for the open player or extra pass. There are times in the game he just needs to be more assertive and get himself more than the 6 or 7 shots he might normally take.

But yeah, Myles is a super long defender with enough offense that he'd fit REALLY well in Toronto. And yeah, you're right. Indy wouldn't be satisfied with a Trent Jr +++ return for Turner. And the hard part is that it's REALLY hard to make a Siakam salary fit in Indy this year and next in any sort of sustainable way.

[toooskies]

Trent overlaps too much with Duarte. Since Duarte is on a rookie contract, he will be paid roughly the same over four seasons what Trent will be paid in one season.

Find a third team for Trent that will send value to the Pacers. Do note that some fans on other teams would like to move similar players (Hardaway, Fournier, Hield etc) and there doesn't seem to be a strong market.

Big difference is Trent is 22 and plays defence.

Yes, but there are only 30 teams in the league and thus a limited number of possible destinations for trade candidates.


1. Detroit -- Not sure what their plans are. Probably prefers to keep high draft picks for a while rather than send a first to OKC.
2. Orlando -- Has Hampton, Suggs and Anthony. Probably prefers to keep a high lottery pick.
3. New Orleans -- No idea
4. OKC -- Presti likes his draft picks. Maybe to doubtful
5. Houston -- Has Green, Porter and Mathews (Two Way)
6. San Antonio -- Has plenty of Guards. Primo on a Rookie contract.
7. Indiana -- Has Duarte
8. Portland -- Has McCollum & Powell
9. Minnesota -- Has Edwards
10. Toronto -- ...................
11. Sacramento -- Has Hield situation to resolve
12. New York -- Has Fournier
13. Boston -- They could use Trent.
14. Charlotte -- Has Rozier and Bouknight
15. Dallas -- Has Hardaway
16. Denver -- Poor on draft picks.
17. Lakers -- They would likely want Trent, but they are poor on pick assets
18. Atlanta -- Has Bogdanovic and Huerter
19. Cleveland -- Needs to resolve Sexton situation
20. Clippers -- Poor on draft picks. Has Kennard
21. Memphis -- Not sure what their plans are.
22. Philadelphia -- Needs to resolve Simmons situation first.
23. Washington -- Has Beal
24. Miami -- What salary are they sending out?
25. Milwaukee -- Thin on picks. Has Allen
26. Chicago -- Has LaVine
27. Brooklyn -- Has Harden, Harris and maybe Irving
28. Utah -- Has D Mitchell
29. Phoenix -- Has Booker
30. Golden State -- Has Poole and Thompson

I think Trent to the Cavs would make some sense-- bonus points for having some Ohio roots.

[Resistance]

Big difference is Trent is 22 and plays defence.

Yes, but there are only 30 teams in the league and thus a limited number of possible destinations for trade candidates.


1. Detroit -- Not sure what their plans are. Probably prefers to keep high draft picks for a while rather than send a first to OKC.
2. Orlando -- Has Hampton, Suggs and Anthony. Probably prefers to keep a high lottery pick.
3. New Orleans -- No idea
4. OKC -- Presti likes his draft picks. Maybe to doubtful
5. Houston -- Has Green, Porter and Mathews (Two Way)
6. San Antonio -- Has plenty of Guards. Primo on a Rookie contract.
7. Indiana -- Has Duarte
8. Portland -- Has McCollum & Powell
9. Minnesota -- Has Edwards
10. Toronto -- ...................
11. Sacramento -- Has Hield situation to resolve
12. New York -- Has Fournier
13. Boston -- They could use Trent.
14. Charlotte -- Has Rozier and Bouknight
15. Dallas -- Has Hardaway
16. Denver -- Poor on draft picks.
17. Lakers -- They would likely want Trent, but they are poor on pick assets
18. Atlanta -- Has Bogdanovic and Huerter
19. Cleveland -- Needs to resolve Sexton situation
20. Clippers -- Poor on draft picks. Has Kennard
21. Memphis -- Not sure what their plans are.
22. Philadelphia -- Needs to resolve Simmons situation first.
23. Washington -- Has Beal
24. Miami -- What salary are they sending out?
25. Milwaukee -- Thin on picks. Has Allen
26. Chicago -- Has LaVine
27. Brooklyn -- Has Harden, Harris and maybe Irving
28. Utah -- Has D Mitchell
29. Phoenix -- Has Booker
30. Golden State -- Has Poole and Thompson

I think Trent to the Cavs would make some sense-- bonus points for having some Ohio roots.

Okay, let us explore Trent to Cleveland and create an acceptable package for Indiana.

* Trent is on a new contract and can't be traded until mid January.

* He is making $16 million, so Cleveland needs to send out at least $11 million in salary using the + $5 million formula.

* Cleveland is $3,262,896 from the Luxury Tax Line, so they should be working to be close on the salary numbers rather than loose (+ $5 million) and miss the payout from the Luxury Tax Pool. Cleveland Team Salary

* Since the Pacers should have minimal interest in a SG type because they have Duarte, I don't have them coveting Sexton and thus find a fourth team for Sexton if he is part of the outgoing package from Cleveland.

Fill in the missing parts on the three team trade. If a fourth team is needed for Sexton, then pull them into the trade.

Cleveland
In: Trent
Out:

Toronto
In: Sabonis
Out:

Indiana
In:
Out: Sabonis

[toooskies]

Yes, but there are only 30 teams in the league and thus a limited number of possible destinations for trade candidates.


1. Detroit -- Not sure what their plans are. Probably prefers to keep high draft picks for a while rather than send a first to OKC.
2. Orlando -- Has Hampton, Suggs and Anthony. Probably prefers to keep a high lottery pick.
3. New Orleans -- No idea
4. OKC -- Presti likes his draft picks. Maybe to doubtful
5. Houston -- Has Green, Porter and Mathews (Two Way)
6. San Antonio -- Has plenty of Guards. Primo on a Rookie contract.
7. Indiana -- Has Duarte
8. Portland -- Has McCollum & Powell
9. Minnesota -- Has Edwards
10. Toronto -- ...................
11. Sacramento -- Has Hield situation to resolve
12. New York -- Has Fournier
13. Boston -- They could use Trent.
14. Charlotte -- Has Rozier and Bouknight
15. Dallas -- Has Hardaway
16. Denver -- Poor on draft picks.
17. Lakers -- They would likely want Trent, but they are poor on pick assets
18. Atlanta -- Has Bogdanovic and Huerter
19. Cleveland -- Needs to resolve Sexton situation
20. Clippers -- Poor on draft picks. Has Kennard
21. Memphis -- Not sure what their plans are.
22. Philadelphia -- Needs to resolve Simmons situation first.
23. Washington -- Has Beal
24. Miami -- What salary are they sending out?
25. Milwaukee -- Thin on picks. Has Allen
26. Chicago -- Has LaVine
27. Brooklyn -- Has Harden, Harris and maybe Irving
28. Utah -- Has D Mitchell
29. Phoenix -- Has Booker
30. Golden State -- Has Poole and Thompson

I think Trent to the Cavs would make some sense-- bonus points for having some Ohio roots.

Okay, let us explore Trent to Cleveland and create an acceptable package for Indiana.

* Trent is on a new contract and can't be traded until mid January.

* He is making $16 million, so Cleveland needs to send out at least $11 million in salary using the + $5 million formula.

* Cleveland is $3,262,896 from the Luxury Tax Line, so they should be working to be close on the salary numbers rather than loose (+ $5 million) and miss the payout from the Luxury Tax Pool. Cleveland Team Salary

* Since the Pacers should have minimal interest in a SG type because they have Duarte, I don't have them coveting Sexton and thus find a fourth team for Sexton if he is part of the outgoing package from Cleveland.

Fill in the missing parts on the three team trade. If a fourth team is needed for Sexton, then pull them into the trade.

Cleveland
In: Trent
Out:

Toronto
In: Sabonis
Out:

Indiana
In:
Out: Sabonis

Cleveland
In: Trent, LeVert, Watanabe
Out: Love, Windler, 2022 FRP, 2022 HOU SRP

Toronto
In: Sabonis
Out: Trent, Watanabe, FRP

Indiana
In: Love, Windler, picks
Out: Sabonis, LeVert

Cleveland gets all the wings they wish they had, Toronto goes from Trent to an all-star, Indiana downgrades talent this year for picks.

Some version of this probably works with Warren instead of LeVert, too.

[zimpy27]

I think Trent to the Cavs would make some sense-- bonus points for having some Ohio roots.

Okay, let us explore Trent to Cleveland and create an acceptable package for Indiana.

* Trent is on a new contract and can't be traded until mid January.

* He is making $16 million, so Cleveland needs to send out at least $11 million in salary using the + $5 million formula.

* Cleveland is $3,262,896 from the Luxury Tax Line, so they should be working to be close on the salary numbers rather than loose (+ $5 million) and miss the payout from the Luxury Tax Pool. Cleveland Team Salary

* Since the Pacers should have minimal interest in a SG type because they have Duarte, I don't have them coveting Sexton and thus find a fourth team for Sexton if he is part of the outgoing package from Cleveland.

Fill in the missing parts on the three team trade. If a fourth team is needed for Sexton, then pull them into the trade.

Cleveland
In: Trent
Out:

Toronto
In: Sabonis
Out:

Indiana
In:
Out: Sabonis

Cleveland
In: Trent, LeVert, Watanabe
Out: Love, Windler, 2022 FRP, 2022 HOU SRP

Toronto
In: Sabonis
Out: Trent, Watanabe, FRP

Indiana
In: Love, Windler, picks
Out: Sabonis, LeVert

Cleveland gets all the wings they wish they had, Toronto goes from Trent to an all-star, Indiana downgrades talent this year for picks.

Some version of this probably works with Warren instead of LeVert, too.

Covington was traded for 2 FRPs..
You have Sabonis being traded for 2 FRPs and Indy take on Love? This feels like 2 FRPs short for Indy