Update: Motiejunas now a UFA as Rockets have released his rights

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http://bbs.clutchfans.net/index.php?threads/sources-utah-offering-more-money-to-dmo.279013/

What is going on?!!?

I obviously can't rule it out and I have NO SOURCES for this, but to me it makes little sense for the Jazz to pursue DMo. We have much better ways to spend our money and we will actually need the money long-term. We cannot afford him past this year anyways.

[Andre Roberstan]

I'm not confident Utah is offering him a deal. I have my doubts. But if you are trying to get Houston to waive a physical, maybe its a gambit you try?

If it turns out that BJ Armstrong has been playing Weekend at Bernie's with Motie this whole time will anyone be shocked at this point?

BJ has apparently told Calvin Watkins a deal is out there but I am also not convinced it's Utah. They don't seem dumb and it's clearly tampering right? Offering someone a deal after they signed one sounds like tampering

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Think it depends on timing, and IDK what the wording is on offer sheets. It may be that they talked to him while the offer sheet was in Houston's hands, during which time he was still technically a free agent. I'd have to dig into the CBA to double-check that, but it sounds right.

[jbk1234]

I'm not confident Utah is offering him a deal. I have my doubts. But if you are trying to get Houston to waive a physical, maybe its a gambit you try?

If it turns out that BJ Armstrong has been playing Weekend at Bernie's with Motie this whole time will anyone be shocked at this point?

I thought about this as a possibility as well but what benefit does Monte get from the Rockets waiving the physical?

[loserX]

Yeah it doesn't really sound like Utah, and I don't think we would anyway.

If it's true there are other teams, the only ones with the cap to offer more than this are:
Brooklyn (derp)
Denver
Minny
Philadelphia
Phoenix
Utah

Any of those seem more likely?

[Andre Roberstan]

http://bbs.clutchfans.net/index.php?threads/sources-utah-offering-more-money-to-dmo.279013/

What is going on?!!?

I obviously can't rule it out and I have NO SOURCES for this, but to me it makes little sense for the Jazz to pursue DMo. We have much better ways to spend our money and we will actually need the money long-term. We cannot afford him past this year anyways.

Only way it makes sense is if Favors is going out, which I and others have speculated before based on the way your salaries for the next 2 years line up.

[K_chile22]

http://bbs.clutchfans.net/index.php?threads/sources-utah-offering-more-money-to-dmo.279013/

What is going on?!!?

I obviously can't rule it out and I have NO SOURCES for this, but to me it makes little sense for the Jazz to pursue DMo. We have much better ways to spend our money and we will actually need the money long-term. We cannot afford him past this year anyways.

Yeah I think clutch fans heard that BJ said there's a better offer out there that he wants to be able to pursue after the fact (which he shouldn't be able to do) and saw the Jazz had money and the hate for Utah took over

[Andre Roberstan]

Yeah it doesn't really sound like Utah, and I don't think we would anyway.

If it's true there are other teams, the only ones with the cap to offer more than this are:
Brooklyn (derp)
Denver
Minny
Philadelphia
Phoenix
Utah

Any of those seem more likely?

Minny.

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http://bbs.clutchfans.net/index.php?threads/sources-utah-offering-more-money-to-dmo.279013/

What is going on?!!?

I don't trust this report as far as I can throw it, but if there's any truth to it based on what I've seen of Utah's finances for the next 2 years, Favors is likely gone. That is, if they can pull off the DMo deal.

Not a report, its a guy who's historically thrown random crap to the wall, hoped it sticks. Just dragging a team through the mud for no reason has happened a lot with this guy.

[HartfordWhalers]

Yeah it doesn't really sound like Utah, and I don't think we would anyway.

If it's true there are other teams, the only ones with the cap to offer more than this are:
Brooklyn (derp)
Denver
Minny
Philadelphia
Phoenix
Utah

Any of those seem more likely?

Minny.

That was the one that stuck out to me. Phoenix too though.

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http://bbs.clutchfans.net/index.php?threads/sources-utah-offering-more-money-to-dmo.279013/

What is going on?!!?

I obviously can't rule it out and I have NO SOURCES for this, but to me it makes little sense for the Jazz to pursue DMo. We have much better ways to spend our money and we will actually need the money long-term. We cannot afford him past this year anyways.

Only way it makes sense is if Favors is going out, which I and others have speculated before based on the way your salaries for the next 2 years line up.

Why would he be out though? Honestly - if you are worried for Favors' injury(the only reason you would want him out in favor of another player), why in hell would you invest similar money in WEAKER player with MORE SERIOUS injury concerns? It makes no sense.

There are 3 other players I would unequivocally trade out before I trade Favors(Diaw, Joe Johnson, Alec Burks) that would accomplish the same salary-wise as trading Favors if the financial aspect is what you are worried about.

[jbk1234]

This never ends up being much of a deterrent for a team to match. Even in nasty negotiations, if a team brings the player back, he has to play for whoever's paying whether he's happy or not[/i][/b].

Bump.

Fair enough, but when has this situation ever happened before? Far as I can remember, this is a first.

There have been players, e.g., Eric Gordon, who could agree on an extension and pretty publicly encouraged their teams not to match.

[DusterBuster]

Bump.

Fair enough, but when has this situation ever happened before? Far as I can remember, this is a first.

There have been players, e.g., Eric Gordon, who could agree on an extension and pretty publicly encouraged their teams not to match.

Yeah, encourage the teams not to match, then immediately report back to the team once the contract is matched. Very different situation. Your example was what I was talking about how even if a player is unhappy or asking a team not to be matched, that never dissuades a FO from matching, even in a contentious negotiation. To be fair, that part of the statement was still accurate as Houston did match.

The fact that DMo is deciding to not report is a first.

[Smitty731]

If the Utah deal was really there, why did they sign the Brooklyn offer sheet? I can't imagine they signed with Brooklyn without shopping elsewhere first. If they did, then both Armstrong and Motiejunas are morons. Assuming if they aren't already in that category.

[TinmanZBoy]

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maybe just one day protest, i hope D-Mo is not stupid... his agent certainly has a lot homework to do...
he should have taken the qualifying offer... the current contact basically quenched any hope of him to get paid in the future, and is guaranteed somewhere close to what his qualifying offer is...

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If the Utah deal was really there, why did they sign the Brooklyn offer sheet? I can't imagine they signed with Brooklyn without shopping elsewhere first. If they did, then both Armstrong and Motiejunas are morons. Assuming if they aren't already in that category.

yeah, it makes no sense why if DL really wanted DMo he wouldn't give him the better offer to start with.

[K_chile22]

If the Utah deal was really there, why did they sign the Brooklyn offer sheet? I can't imagine they signed with Brooklyn without shopping elsewhere first. If they did, then both Armstrong and Motiejunas are morons. Assuming if they aren't already in that category.

I'm 95% percent sure BJ is a moron at least

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[CptCrunch]

Well looks like the Jazz offer is not coming.

If Jazz offers Donuts after a rumor like that gets thrown onto one of the largest NBA team fan boards, I'm sure Rockets will lodge a complaint and there will be an investigation into potential tampering. BJ Armstrong better have a good story as to why he convinced his player to not show up to the physical today.

[RightToCensor]

Larry Coon's blog on this situation: http://cbafaq.com/blog/?p=381

[red96]

Larry Coon's blog on this situation: http://cbafaq.com/blog/?p=381

I don't think Morey 'takes to kindly' of moron agents trying to strong-arm him.

[RightToCensor]

Larry Coon's blog on this situation: http://cbafaq.com/blog/?p=381

I don't think Morey 'takes too kindly' of moron agents trying to strong-arm him.

Especially the agents of players that aren't centerpieces of the franchise.