OFFICIAL: DLO TO MINNY

[Prospect Dong]

D'Angelo Russell is a 23 year all star who was the 2nd pick in the draft and his only non rookie contract was a max contract. Yet he has been traded 3 times now. (I'll count him to GS as a trade because Brooklyn chose another player over him)

Is there something personality/chemistry wise that we are missing with him? We know about the Nick Young stuff, but is there something else. He seems like too good of a player to be moved this many times. Is there some other explanation?

There is nothing less valuable than a max guy only useful as a primary option who does nothing to elevate those around him. These guys are ceiling cappers. He's essentially Monta Ellis with no athleticism and a 3-pt shot. He puts up counting stats and a cursory glance suggests he's good.

But these are the players you most want to avoid getting committed to long-term. You just can't win with them. People are going to give me his volume 3-pt shooting this year and tell me he can play off-ball. Good luck with that. Now you need a primary creator who can defend wings because he can't do that either. Jason Kidd isn't walking through that door.

Any interest in vastly overpaying for Justise Winslow?

[Rockazoids]

Damn I just tried the D Lo & Wiggins trade on NBA 2K & got that "You'er asking me to give away a valuable asset" stuff ...
That's not happening. I'm now feeding my PS4 Crow now.

[Prospect Dong]

Next year around this time, I have a feeling people are going to start labeling GS as the winners of this trade. Better draft, and a sure fire lotto pick for them.

It is not guaranteed to be a lottery pick. The West is not great after LAC, LAL, DEN, UTA and HOU. All the teams after have questions regarding their roster [and frankly it is too far out to predict outcomes given the roster changes happening in the off-season].

I think you have to at least pencil in the Grizzlies ahead of Minny here - they're currently in the 8th seed with an incredibly young lineup and basically everyone under contract for next season. Obviously there are questions - there always are - but they look to be in good shape. And I'd add Dallas to that list as well - their MVP candidate isn't going anywhere...

[Colbinii]

Yeah that's right.

What measures does Wiggins look better than Russell at?

Russell actually has attributes where he is elite [Wiggins does not outside of jumping ability]. I like Wiggins and hope him the best but we are looking at two different tier players here.

Russell is fools gold. Outside of 3 point scoring binges, he's is at league worst level for defense and is as bad an athlete as there is in the NBA. He has literally no lateral quickness, there have been games where I have had to walk away from because I have never seen a worse defensive player in the NBA. Even if he ups his effort level, he's the slowest player I've ever watched, it's like he has steel shoes on. He's also really weak and just gets pushed around by physical guys.

Wiggins is an elite rim runner and finisher. He gets into the lane at will and next to the shooting gravity of Steph and Klay, adding in Draymonds leadership and playmaking, and the best of Wiggins is right in front of him now. Andrew has picked up some bad tendancies playing for a poorly run organization, that will need to be slapped out of him absolutely, however add in the picks the Warriors received, and the Warriors won this trade.

Save this down if you want, but the Wolves are going to be brutal to watch after their trade season.

They are 15-35 and have been an eyesore already so I don't think you are adding anything with "Brutal to watch", though you probably haven't seen them with their lack of Point Guards.

We will see but you are obviously focusing solely of negatives for Russell and Optimisticly Insane Positives for Wiggins, but I get it, you love your Warriors and finding a scapegoat for the season this year is something most fans search for in times of peril. The Bias in here is unmatched but that's what being a "die hard" fan is.

[Colbinii]

Next year around this time, I have a feeling people are going to start labeling GS as the winners of this trade. Better draft, and a sure fire lotto pick for them.

It is not guaranteed to be a lottery pick. The West is not great after LAC, LAL, DEN, UTA and HOU. All the teams after have questions regarding their roster [and frankly it is too far out to predict outcomes given the roster changes happening in the off-season].

I think you have to at least pencil in the Grizzlies ahead of Minny here - they're currently in the 8th seed with an incredibly young lineup and basically everyone under contract for next season. Obviously there are questions - there always are - but they look to be in good shape. And I'd add Dallas to that list as well - their MVP candidate isn't going anywhere...

Im not going to pencil in anything unproven.

Dallas started off hot but has since come down to earth. Memphis has been promising. The Suns started out hot but have since regressed to their expected value. OKC will likely regress. Portland is a team who is likely to be better next year but not by much. San Antonio appears to be on the downswing. I don't trust Sacramento.

I missed Golden State, I will admit to that.

Again, penciling in a young Memphis team 14 months from now seems like a stretch.

[Prospect Dong]

It is not guaranteed to be a lottery pick. The West is not great after LAC, LAL, DEN, UTA and HOU. All the teams after have questions regarding their roster [and frankly it is too far out to predict outcomes given the roster changes happening in the off-season].

I think you have to at least pencil in the Grizzlies ahead of Minny here - they're currently in the 8th seed with an incredibly young lineup and basically everyone under contract for next season. Obviously there are questions - there always are - but they look to be in good shape. And I'd add Dallas to that list as well - their MVP candidate isn't going anywhere...

Im not going to pencil in anything unproven.

Dallas started off hot but has since come down to earth. Memphis has been promising. The Suns started out hot but have since regressed to their expected value. OKC will likely regress. Portland is a team who is likely to be better next year but not by much. San Antonio appears to be on the downswing. I don't trust Sacramento.

I missed Golden State, I will admit to that.

Again, penciling in a young Memphis team 14 months from now seems like a stretch.

Well, you're projecting them to get worse than they have been over the last fifty games. That can happen, but it's not normal. But whatever, you're right that things can change unexpectedly and I don't want to set myself up for disappointment.

[Coxy]

What measures does Wiggins look better than Russell at?

Russell actually has attributes where he is elite [Wiggins does not outside of jumping ability]. I like Wiggins and hope him the best but we are looking at two different tier players here.

Russell is fools gold. Outside of 3 point scoring binges, he's is at league worst level for defense and is as bad an athlete as there is in the NBA. He has literally no lateral quickness, there have been games where I have had to walk away from because I have never seen a worse defensive player in the NBA. Even if he ups his effort level, he's the slowest player I've ever watched, it's like he has steel shoes on. He's also really weak and just gets pushed around by physical guys.

Wiggins is an elite rim runner and finisher. He gets into the lane at will and next to the shooting gravity of Steph and Klay, adding in Draymonds leadership and playmaking, and the best of Wiggins is right in front of him now. Andrew has picked up some bad tendancies playing for a poorly run organization, that will need to be slapped out of him absolutely, however add in the picks the Warriors received, and the Warriors won this trade.

Save this down if you want, but the Wolves are going to be brutal to watch after their trade season.

They are 15-35 and have been an eyesore already so I don't think you are adding anything with "Brutal to watch", though you probably haven't seen them with their lack of Point Guards.

We will see but you are obviously focusing solely of negatives for Russell and Optimisticly Insane Positives for Wiggins, but I get it, you love your Warriors and finding a scapegoat for the season this year is something most fans search for in times of peril. The Bias in here is unmatched but that's what being a "die hard" fan is.

Our injuries are our scapegoat this year, however the unrelenting critisism I have been firing all season has been soley directed at Willie Caulie-Stein, that was an easy one to go with cause, you know.

I tried really hard to like Dlo's game, but I;m telling you now, you have ended up with a much worse player here. He'll bomb 3 pointers that will make you go "Hmmm maybe, just maybe he's worth the max", but then you'll watch closely the rest of his game and realise how incredibly screwed your ball club is if he's your lead guard.

The Wolves deserve better, like us, they have been through hell and back with the front office making bone headed moves for decades. We got lucky and were bought by an amazing owner. This keeps the Wolves in the lotto commiting to D'Angelo, which GS never really had to do because we were always going to get our players back from injury.

My concern now as a Warrior fan is the protection on the 1st being top 3, because I truly beleive the Wolves will be in that range at that stage if they can't dramatically add to that team with a Jimmy Butler type.

[rugbyrugger23]

Russell is fools gold. Outside of 3 point scoring binges, he's is at league worst level for defense and is as bad an athlete as there is in the NBA. He has literally no lateral quickness, there have been games where I have had to walk away from because I have never seen a worse defensive player in the NBA. Even if he ups his effort level, he's the slowest player I've ever watched, it's like he has steel shoes on. He's also really weak and just gets pushed around by physical guys.

Wiggins is an elite rim runner and finisher. He gets into the lane at will and next to the shooting gravity of Steph and Klay, adding in Draymonds leadership and playmaking, and the best of Wiggins is right in front of him now. Andrew has picked up some bad tendancies playing for a poorly run organization, that will need to be slapped out of him absolutely, however add in the picks the Warriors received, and the Warriors won this trade.

Save this down if you want, but the Wolves are going to be brutal to watch after their trade season.

They are 15-35 and have been an eyesore already so I don't think you are adding anything with "Brutal to watch", though you probably haven't seen them with their lack of Point Guards.

We will see but you are obviously focusing solely of negatives for Russell and Optimisticly Insane Positives for Wiggins, but I get it, you love your Warriors and finding a scapegoat for the season this year is something most fans search for in times of peril. The Bias in here is unmatched but that's what being a "die hard" fan is.

Our injuries are our scapegoat this year, however the unrelenting critisism I have been firing all season has been soley directed at Willie Caulie-Stein, that was an easy one to go with cause, you know.

I tried really hard to like Dlo's game, but I;m telling you now, you have ended up with a much worse player here. He'll bomb 3 pointers that will make you go "Hmmm maybe, just maybe he's worth the max", but then you'll watch closely the rest of his game and realise how incredibly screwed your ball club is if he's your lead guard.

The Wolves deserve better, like us, they have been through hell and back with the front office making bone headed moves for decades. We got lucky and were bought by an amazing owner. This keeps the Wolves in the lotto commiting to D'Angelo, which GS never really had to do because we were always going to get our players back from injury.

My concern now as a Warrior fan is the protection on the 1st being top 3, because I truly beleive the Wolves will be in that range at that stage if they can't dramatically add to that team with a Jimmy Butler type.

Aren't you the same poster who said "unless it is Towns don't bother?" Like any Russell trade started with a Towns package.

Wolves (and Warriors) aren't trading for the player represented on the court so far this year (and for Wiggins so far his entire career). Wolves specifically are hedging their 2021-draft-pick-bets that Russell and Towns are much more than the individual parts. And their collective whole is something more special than what they have shown together.

Why is betting on Russell better than betting on Wiggins? Well at least for one, Russell has shown to be something. Granted in East, on bad Nets team, and other extenuating circumstances. But Wolves also add by subtraction -- Wiggins going out was needed to remove themselves of everything he has stood for as a Timberwolf.

[Colbinii]

I think you have to at least pencil in the Grizzlies ahead of Minny here - they're currently in the 8th seed with an incredibly young lineup and basically everyone under contract for next season. Obviously there are questions - there always are - but they look to be in good shape. And I'd add Dallas to that list as well - their MVP candidate isn't going anywhere...

Im not going to pencil in anything unproven.

Dallas started off hot but has since come down to earth. Memphis has been promising. The Suns started out hot but have since regressed to their expected value. OKC will likely regress. Portland is a team who is likely to be better next year but not by much. San Antonio appears to be on the downswing. I don't trust Sacramento.

I missed Golden State, I will admit to that.

Again, penciling in a young Memphis team 14 months from now seems like a stretch.

Well, you're projecting them to get worse than they have been over the last fifty games. That can happen, but it's not normal. But whatever, you're right that things can change unexpectedly and I don't want to set myself up for disappointment.

I don't project Memphis to be worse. I just think it is easy to fall into this trap of "Wow we are in the 8th seed, it's only up from here".

Ayton missed 25 games for the Suns.
Zion has missed 45 games.
Towns has missed time as has the entire Minnesota team.
Doncic is hurt.
Portland has been missing Hood, Collins and Nurkic.

I mean you can look at every team and find a solid reason for them to be better next year, including Memphis.

[Colbinii]

Russell is fools gold. Outside of 3 point scoring binges, he's is at league worst level for defense and is as bad an athlete as there is in the NBA. He has literally no lateral quickness, there have been games where I have had to walk away from because I have never seen a worse defensive player in the NBA. Even if he ups his effort level, he's the slowest player I've ever watched, it's like he has steel shoes on. He's also really weak and just gets pushed around by physical guys.

Wiggins is an elite rim runner and finisher. He gets into the lane at will and next to the shooting gravity of Steph and Klay, adding in Draymonds leadership and playmaking, and the best of Wiggins is right in front of him now. Andrew has picked up some bad tendancies playing for a poorly run organization, that will need to be slapped out of him absolutely, however add in the picks the Warriors received, and the Warriors won this trade.

Save this down if you want, but the Wolves are going to be brutal to watch after their trade season.

They are 15-35 and have been an eyesore already so I don't think you are adding anything with "Brutal to watch", though you probably haven't seen them with their lack of Point Guards.

We will see but you are obviously focusing solely of negatives for Russell and Optimisticly Insane Positives for Wiggins, but I get it, you love your Warriors and finding a scapegoat for the season this year is something most fans search for in times of peril. The Bias in here is unmatched but that's what being a "die hard" fan is.

Our injuries are our scapegoat this year, however the unrelenting critisism I have been firing all season has been soley directed at Willie Caulie-Stein, that was an easy one to go with cause, you know.

I tried really hard to like Dlo's game, but I;m telling you now, you have ended up with a much worse player here. He'll bomb 3 pointers that will make you go "Hmmm maybe, just maybe he's worth the max", but then you'll watch closely the rest of his game and realise how incredibly screwed your ball club is if he's your lead guard.

The Wolves deserve better, like us, they have been through hell and back with the front office making bone headed moves for decades. We got lucky and were bought by an amazing owner. This keeps the Wolves in the lotto commiting to D'Angelo, which GS never really had to do because we were always going to get our players back from injury.

My concern now as a Warrior fan is the protection on the 1st being top 3, because I truly beleive the Wolves will be in that range at that stage if they can't dramatically add to that team with a Jimmy Butler type.

Boy you are a homer.

Wiggins is a slight step up from Bad Porn.

Truth.

[Mamba4Goat]

They are 15-35 and have been an eyesore already so I don't think you are adding anything with "Brutal to watch", though you probably haven't seen them with their lack of Point Guards.

We will see but you are obviously focusing solely of negatives for Russell and Optimisticly Insane Positives for Wiggins, but I get it, you love your Warriors and finding a scapegoat for the season this year is something most fans search for in times of peril. The Bias in here is unmatched but that's what being a "die hard" fan is.

Our injuries are our scapegoat this year, however the unrelenting critisism I have been firing all season has been soley directed at Willie Caulie-Stein, that was an easy one to go with cause, you know.

I tried really hard to like Dlo's game, but I;m telling you now, you have ended up with a much worse player here. He'll bomb 3 pointers that will make you go "Hmmm maybe, just maybe he's worth the max", but then you'll watch closely the rest of his game and realise how incredibly screwed your ball club is if he's your lead guard.

The Wolves deserve better, like us, they have been through hell and back with the front office making bone headed moves for decades. We got lucky and were bought by an amazing owner. This keeps the Wolves in the lotto commiting to D'Angelo, which GS never really had to do because we were always going to get our players back from injury.

My concern now as a Warrior fan is the protection on the 1st being top 3, because I truly beleive the Wolves will be in that range at that stage if they can't dramatically add to that team with a Jimmy Butler type.

Boy you are a homer.

Wiggins is a slight step up from Bad Porn.

Truth.

Attack the idea, not the poster. No name calling.

[cpower]

lets go back to this in a year, I have a feeling this could be one of the worst trades in NBA history

[Colbinii]

Our injuries are our scapegoat this year, however the unrelenting critisism I have been firing all season has been soley directed at Willie Caulie-Stein, that was an easy one to go with cause, you know.

I tried really hard to like Dlo's game, but I;m telling you now, you have ended up with a much worse player here. He'll bomb 3 pointers that will make you go "Hmmm maybe, just maybe he's worth the max", but then you'll watch closely the rest of his game and realise how incredibly screwed your ball club is if he's your lead guard.

The Wolves deserve better, like us, they have been through hell and back with the front office making bone headed moves for decades. We got lucky and were bought by an amazing owner. This keeps the Wolves in the lotto commiting to D'Angelo, which GS never really had to do because we were always going to get our players back from injury.

My concern now as a Warrior fan is the protection on the 1st being top 3, because I truly beleive the Wolves will be in that range at that stage if they can't dramatically add to that team with a Jimmy Butler type.

Boy you are a homer.

Truth.

Attack the idea, not the poster. No name calling.

Sure, my apologies.

RE Coxy: The idea is farce considering just 4 days ago you had an opposite opinion and it only changed since Wiggins was traded to your team. It is my fault for engaging with you on this when I knew the result and knew you had changed opinions for the sole reason of Wiggins joining the Globetrotters.

[NYG]

Wiseman
Green
Wiggins
Klay
Steph

Watch Kerr, Green and Splash Bros get Wiggins to be what he could have been and he’s an all-star next year.

[Neeva]

Wiseman
Green
Wiggins
Klay
Steph

Watch Kerr, Green and Splash Bros get Wiggins to be what he could have been and he’s an all-star next year.

Nice to have dreams..

[shrink]

I’m on the road, so I haven’t caught up on these threads, but I wonder ,,,,

Last summer, Rosas claimed to have the deals lined up to get the cap space for a DLo S&T, and only needed Russell to sign on the dotted line on the helicopter ride, to get him as.a T-Wolf. Meanwhile, Zach Lowe is reporting that several execs had told him it “wouldn’t take as much as you’d expect” to trade Wiggins.

I’m wondering if the outgoing part of those deals is the same as what they gave up today? Wiggins plus a 1st to a team (not GSW).for cap space, then the cap space to let BRK send him to MIN for future free agent credibility?

[NoZoLakers]

Wiseman
Green
Wiggins
Klay
Steph

Watch Kerr, Green and Splash Bros get Wiggins to be what he could have been and he’s an all-star next year.

overrated narrative, just like the one that Spurs always pick and find gems in the draft....Wiggins needs to dominate the ball to put up those stats, how's he gona do that with that lineup and his weak 3pt shooting?

[Coxy]

They are 15-35 and have been an eyesore already so I don't think you are adding anything with "Brutal to watch", though you probably haven't seen them with their lack of Point Guards.

We will see but you are obviously focusing solely of negatives for Russell and Optimisticly Insane Positives for Wiggins, but I get it, you love your Warriors and finding a scapegoat for the season this year is something most fans search for in times of peril. The Bias in here is unmatched but that's what being a "die hard" fan is.

Our injuries are our scapegoat this year, however the unrelenting critisism I have been firing all season has been soley directed at Willie Caulie-Stein, that was an easy one to go with cause, you know.

I tried really hard to like Dlo's game, but I;m telling you now, you have ended up with a much worse player here. He'll bomb 3 pointers that will make you go "Hmmm maybe, just maybe he's worth the max", but then you'll watch closely the rest of his game and realise how incredibly screwed your ball club is if he's your lead guard.

The Wolves deserve better, like us, they have been through hell and back with the front office making bone headed moves for decades. We got lucky and were bought by an amazing owner. This keeps the Wolves in the lotto commiting to D'Angelo, which GS never really had to do because we were always going to get our players back from injury.

My concern now as a Warrior fan is the protection on the 1st being top 3, because I truly beleive the Wolves will be in that range at that stage if they can't dramatically add to that team with a Jimmy Butler type.

Aren't you the same poster who said "unless it is Towns don't bother?" Like any Russell trade started with a Towns package.

Wolves (and Warriors) aren't trading for the player represented on the court so far this year (and for Wiggins so far his entire career). Wolves specifically are hedging their 2021-draft-pick-bets that Russell and Towns are much more than the individual parts. And their collective whole is something more special than what they have shown together.

Why is betting on Russell better than betting on Wiggins? Well at least for one, Russell has shown to be something. Granted in East, on bad Nets team, and other extenuating circumstances. But Wolves also add by subtraction -- Wiggins going out was needed to remove themselves of everything he has stood for as a Timberwolf.

Yes I was, but I wasn't asking Dlo for Towns, of course it would have had to have a combination of all other assets not named Steph or Klay to be looked at by Minny. In the end, Towns is untouchable anyway and rightly so.

Wiggins is not ideal, and he better get with the program or Draymond for 1 with tear him a new a-hole. Russell is just flat out awful for winning basketball. He's a slow and weak lead PG that plays at a snails pace, and is the worst defensive player I have ever seen in the NBA.

I think the Warriors FO is banking on Wiggins in a new environment to shed some habits and contribute in our system.

[cpower]

Our injuries are our scapegoat this year, however the unrelenting critisism I have been firing all season has been soley directed at Willie Caulie-Stein, that was an easy one to go with cause, you know.

I tried really hard to like Dlo's game, but I;m telling you now, you have ended up with a much worse player here. He'll bomb 3 pointers that will make you go "Hmmm maybe, just maybe he's worth the max", but then you'll watch closely the rest of his game and realise how incredibly screwed your ball club is if he's your lead guard.

The Wolves deserve better, like us, they have been through hell and back with the front office making bone headed moves for decades. We got lucky and were bought by an amazing owner. This keeps the Wolves in the lotto commiting to D'Angelo, which GS never really had to do because we were always going to get our players back from injury.

My concern now as a Warrior fan is the protection on the 1st being top 3, because I truly beleive the Wolves will be in that range at that stage if they can't dramatically add to that team with a Jimmy Butler type.

Aren't you the same poster who said "unless it is Towns don't bother?" Like any Russell trade started with a Towns package.

Wolves (and Warriors) aren't trading for the player represented on the court so far this year (and for Wiggins so far his entire career). Wolves specifically are hedging their 2021-draft-pick-bets that Russell and Towns are much more than the individual parts. And their collective whole is something more special than what they have shown together.

Why is betting on Russell better than betting on Wiggins? Well at least for one, Russell has shown to be something. Granted in East, on bad Nets team, and other extenuating circumstances. But Wolves also add by subtraction -- Wiggins going out was needed to remove themselves of everything he has stood for as a Timberwolf.

Yes I was, but I wasn't asking Dlo for Towns, of course it would have had to have a combination of all other assets not named Steph or Klay to be looked at by Minny. In the end, Towns is untouchable anyway and rightly so.

Wiggins is not ideal, and he better get with the program or Draymond for 1 with tear him a new a-hole. Russell is just flat out awful for winning basketball. He's a slow and weak lead PG that plays at a snails pace, and is the worst defensive player I have ever seen in the NBA.

I think the Warriors FO is banking on Wiggins in a new environment to shed some habits and contribute in our system.

Wiggins is definitely worse than DLO and there is 6 years of proven record. And he is also one of the worse defensive players in the last 5 years.

[babyjax13]

2021 1st? Golden State must be banking on D'Lo having no more impact on winning than Wiggins did.