Thoughts in General, Rumors, etc... Take 6

[Godaddycurse]

At least this year we wont have a giant simmons thread

[babyjax13]

At least this year we wont have a giant simmons thread

Or...

[NYG]

At least this year we wont have a giant simmons thread

Or...

Yeah, let's not jinx it

[LightTheBeam]

hmm guess I'm lower on DDV than some other guys. I've just never really understood the hype and his game seems to have stagnated for 2 years now and obviously the major injury. IDK. I get he in theory his game is eventually what a lot of teams could use, but I'd rather go ahead and use the MLE on a veteran we already know will deliver.

Pre injury I loved his play. Bucks fans pointed out he was an elite off ball defender and was always in the right place at the right time.

Post injury he was very underwhelming. Loved to jack up 3s and wayy too streaky.

Team probably banking on him getting back to pre-injury level. Would love to keep him for cheap, but If someone comes in offering a crazy deal I wouldn't lose sleep if he walked.

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[Devilanche]

hmm guess I'm lower on DDV than some other guys. I've just never really understood the hype and his game seems to have stagnated for 2 years now and obviously the major injury. IDK. I get he in theory his game is eventually what a lot of teams could use, but I'd rather go ahead and use the MLE on a veteran we already know will deliver.

Really depends are you a true contender now or are you on the Charlotte / Memphis level now .

For those team that are expecting at least conference semis and above I want a ready vet who I know what they can perform else . For playoff/play-in hopeful , I’m just hoping he can get back to pre injury and maybe a smaller upside still after that.

Note I read your message elsewhere that it’s unlikely someone have multiple contract in the same team but its still more likely that round one exit and below team are hoping there’s an upside there that he will reach to outperform the MLE contract even if it’s marginal chance of outcome and outperformance.

[NYG]

Danny Green and Matisse Thybulle for Josh Hart

Tobias Harris for THJ and Davis Bertans

[K_chile22]

hmm guess I'm lower on DDV than some other guys. I've just never really understood the hype and his game seems to have stagnated for 2 years now and obviously the major injury. IDK. I get he in theory his game is eventually what a lot of teams could use, but I'd rather go ahead and use the MLE on a veteran we already know will deliver.

I agree that he was over hyped but if that hype continued he'd get paid way more. I don't think he's likely to outplay the MLE but it's certainly possible and I think for wing needy teams it's worth a shot. Especially for a team like the rockets who's MLE is a pretty low opportunity cost to them. If they miss, who cares, they stink and they'll still have plenty of space next year. Now if a contender misses on the MLE, that's a big oof so I don't think those kinds of teams are lining up for him

[zimpy27]

I think D'Antoni will be coaching the 76ers next season. They keep Harden and look to someone to get the most out of the teams offensive talents with a coach that knows Harden.

I think Doc will be the Lakers coach.. :/

[gambitx777]

I feel bad for embid .

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[MoneyTalks41890]

I thought this CBS mock was interesting. Do we think the order is going to be this volitile going into the draft? https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/2022-nba-mock-draft-dukes-paolo-banchero-goes-no-1-with-iowas-keegan-murray-a-surprising-no-3-pick/

They have it going:

1. Paolo
2. Jabari
3. Murray
4. Chet
5. Ivey

And some other surprises from there.

Every year there's tweaking as we get closer, and when the actual draft comes we get surprises like Giddey that the mock guys try to memory-hole later. But this amount of movement of prospects feels like more than usual? Or is this specific guy just trying to be different?

He has Duran at 30.

[HornetJail]

I thought this CBS mock was interesting. Do we think the order is going to be this volitile going into the draft? https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/2022-nba-mock-draft-dukes-paolo-banchero-goes-no-1-with-iowas-keegan-murray-a-surprising-no-3-pick/

They have it going:

1. Paolo
2. Jabari
3. Murray
4. Chet
5. Ivey

And some other surprises from there.

Every year there's tweaking as we get closer, and when the actual draft comes we get surprises like Giddey that the mock guys try to memory-hole later. But this amount of movement of prospects feels like more than usual? Or is this specific guy just trying to be different?

He has Duran at 30.

They have Charlotte taking two guards at #13 and #15. that's... a choice

[DoItALL9]

I wouldn't trade Embiid but if he tells you he's leaving summer 2023 then you have to trade him. You try to find another lesser star plus picks to rebuild.

Gobert and like 5 picks, firsts?


KAT & D'Angelo Russell + 2 firsts?


LaVine & Vucevic + 3 firsts?



Edited (he's signed thru 2027)

**If he tells you he wants to be traded now**

[toooskies]

I thought this CBS mock was interesting. Do we think the order is going to be this volitile going into the draft? https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/2022-nba-mock-draft-dukes-paolo-banchero-goes-no-1-with-iowas-keegan-murray-a-surprising-no-3-pick/

They have it going:

1. Paolo
2. Jabari
3. Murray
4. Chet
5. Ivey

And some other surprises from there.

Every year there's tweaking as we get closer, and when the actual draft comes we get surprises like Giddey that the mock guys try to memory-hole later. But this amount of movement of prospects feels like more than usual? Or is this specific guy just trying to be different?

He has Duran at 30.

It's pretty typical for there to be questions about a lot of guys in the draft. There are reasons to be sour on any of the top 6 or so players on any team's individual board, and after that you're taking big swings on potential (i.e. Griffin, Mathurin, Sochan, Brown) or taking guys who may have limited ceilings but high floors (Agbaji, Duren, Mark Williams).

I actually like the 20-30 range of this draft where I think there's going to be some good pros (Liddell, LaRavia, Jovic, Moore), and San Antonio has two picks there. I wouldn't mind if the Cavs traded down from #14 if a few of my favorite targets aren't still there...

[HornetJail]

I wouldn't trade Embiid but if he tells you he's leaving summer 2023 then you have to trade him. You try to find another lesser star plus picks to rebuild.

Gobert and like 5 picks, firsts?


KAT & D'Angelo Russell + 2 firsts?


LaVine & Vucevic + 3 firsts?

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all of those are overpays if Embiid won't immediately commit to the new team.

[Texas Chuck]

I thought this CBS mock was interesting. Do we think the order is going to be this volitile going into the draft? https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/2022-nba-mock-draft-dukes-paolo-banchero-goes-no-1-with-iowas-keegan-murray-a-surprising-no-3-pick/

They have it going:

1. Paolo
2. Jabari
3. Murray
4. Chet
5. Ivey

And some other surprises from there.

Every year there's tweaking as we get closer, and when the actual draft comes we get surprises like Giddey that the mock guys try to memory-hole later. But this amount of movement of prospects feels like more than usual? Or is this specific guy just trying to be different?

He has Duran at 30.

They have Charlotte taking two guards at #13 and #15. that's... a choice

I mean you don't avoid drafting guards because you have Rozier and Bouknight.... Charlotte should definitely be drafting BPA and addressing their need for a center in free agency if the value in the draft is elsewhere, no?

[BullyKing]

I wouldn't trade Embiid but if he tells you he's leaving summer 2023 then you have to trade him. You try to find another lesser star plus picks to rebuild.

Gobert and like 5 picks, firsts?


KAT & D'Angelo Russell + 2 firsts?


LaVine & Vucevic + 3 firsts?

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all of those are overpays if Embiid won't immediately commit to the new team.

Embiid is under contract until 2027.

[HornetJail]

I wouldn't trade Embiid but if he tells you he's leaving summer 2023 then you have to trade him. You try to find another lesser star plus picks to rebuild.

Gobert and like 5 picks, firsts?


KAT & D'Angelo Russell + 2 firsts?


LaVine & Vucevic + 3 firsts?

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all of those are overpays if Embiid won't immediately commit to the new team.

Embiid is under contract until 2027.

ah i forgot he already signed his extension

would make the "I'm leaving in 2023" talk with Philly kinda awkward

[HornetJail]

I thought this CBS mock was interesting. Do we think the order is going to be this volitile going into the draft? https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/2022-nba-mock-draft-dukes-paolo-banchero-goes-no-1-with-iowas-keegan-murray-a-surprising-no-3-pick/

They have it going:

1. Paolo
2. Jabari
3. Murray
4. Chet
5. Ivey

And some other surprises from there.

Every year there's tweaking as we get closer, and when the actual draft comes we get surprises like Giddey that the mock guys try to memory-hole later. But this amount of movement of prospects feels like more than usual? Or is this specific guy just trying to be different?

He has Duran at 30.

They have Charlotte taking two guards at #13 and #15. that's... a choice

I mean you don't avoid drafting guards because you have Rozier and Bouknight.... Charlotte should definitely be drafting BPA and addressing their need for a center in free agency if the value in the draft is elsewhere, no?

at least one of those picks are likely trade bait for said center, but if not, I think at the middle of the draft you have to start looking at fit especially if you're trying to find players that can help you win soon. I don't have a problem drafting a guard as long as he's defensive minded, but two is completely unnecessary right now when we have massive issues at center, and could also use a wing with good size that can guard SFs.

If by some chance the Hornets do make both picks, they will likely do so with the trio of Ball/Bridges/Rozier in mind.

[Mamba4Goat]

I thought this CBS mock was interesting. Do we think the order is going to be this volitile going into the draft? https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/2022-nba-mock-draft-dukes-paolo-banchero-goes-no-1-with-iowas-keegan-murray-a-surprising-no-3-pick/

They have it going:

1. Paolo
2. Jabari
3. Murray
4. Chet
5. Ivey

And some other surprises from there.

Every year there's tweaking as we get closer, and when the actual draft comes we get surprises like Giddey that the mock guys try to memory-hole later. But this amount of movement of prospects feels like more than usual? Or is this specific guy just trying to be different?

He has Duran at 30.

They have Charlotte taking two guards at #13 and #15. that's... a choice

At least it’s 13 and 15 and not 5 and 6.

[hugepatsfan]

It will be interesting to see what the reaction is if BOS loses tonight. Lots of chatter early in the year about breaking up Brown/Tatum. They quieted that in the second half, but possible it comes back up with an embarrassing loss tonight after the game 5 meltdown. And to be clear, that was more external noise than internal but that stuff can creep into a lockerroom as we've seen before.

I think common sense will prevail and people won't argue that BOS should be looking to break up that duo, but I feel like there will be lots of focus and pressure on Stevens to change pieces around them. They have all 9 rotation players under contract next year but I think it will be looked at negatively if there isn't some sort of move there. Adding a guard/wing shooter with more size than Pritchard (so that Udoka will be willing to play for longer minutes in his defensive scheme) feels like the small move that will appease local media/fans as doing something, but won't move the needle on the national scale. If that's all they do I think it will be looked at as them not getting enough help.