GM a Team Part 3 (Transactions) unsticky plz

[#1knickfan]

Yes you can. The deal is not to happen later, they are to happen consecutively. Thus PHX is never really over the roster limit. The 2nd part could in reality be written as part of the first trade except that the TE can't be combined so that's why it has to be done in a second, consecutive trade.

There is no way 2 different deals can happen at the same time when the second deal features players from the first deal. The players would need to move from one team to another b4 they can be dealt to a third and while you can say it went by pretty quick it cannot be consecutive especially since players traded to one team cannot be dealt again until the deal is approved by the league first.

[loflin3hree5ive]

i think loflin3hree5ive is taking elton brand's possible opt out into consideration. if the wolves continue to suck, he could have just gotten the number one overall pick for a player he was going to lose for nothing. yeah he should have held on to al thornton, especially since the wolves are already loaded at the wings and the clips could be left with nothing there too (magz opt out), but thats just part of one gm getting the better deal. two top ten picks to go along with livingston's return and kaman's breakout season is a real plan. the financial benefits also can't be overlooked. i think this is a gm that is looking at team's around the league and recognizes that building a contender around brand may not provide a long enough window to be successful.

you've pretty much nailed it dcash. to expand on what you said about financial benefits, letting ratliff expire leaves the clippers with only a $36.2 million payroll assuming we let maggette walk and sign livingston to the qualifying offer. if the cap is set in the high $50 million range, the clippers would have estimately $20 million in cap space to fill out whatever they don't get in the draft. elton isn't likely to play many games this year so it is very unlikely he will improve minnesota enough to get the wolves out of the cellar.

[Duncanfan]

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has he? i know the owner, donald sterling, said he doesn't expect brand to opt out but has brand said anything?

Check the clippers board man. They had a whole topic on this. Brand himself said that he doesn't plan to opt out this summer. You can ask the posters there as well.

[TMACFORMVP]

The Rockets accept the modified deal. Explantion later, have to go to school now haha.

[skorff26]

L.A. Clippers & Minnesota Timberwolves agree to a trade:

Minnesota Timberwolves Get:
Elton Brand
Al Thornton
Brevin Knight

Los Angeles Clippers Get:
2008 Minnesota Timberwolves 1st Round Pick (Unprotected)
Theo Ratliff
Greg Buckner

Minnesota cuts Chris Richard

Minnesota accepts

[#1knickfan]

The Rockets accept the modified deal. Explantion later, have to go to school now haha.

As I said b4, the modified deal still doesn't work because of roster requirements. 2 trades cannot take place at the same time when some of the players being moved are in both deals. Roster limits will limit the first deal from being approved and without the first deal the second deal can't happen.

Let me give you guys an example, if we were to use strict rules in which one player who has just be traded cannot be packaged with other players in a trade that occurs soon afterwards. But my 2 deals (one with Chicago and the other with Washington) could have easily been combined into one deal because the salaries would still work and the roster numbers would still work. In the case of the modified 3 team deal your trade still falls apart because of roster constraints.

[Klomp]

I want to veto both deals being discussed.

[loflin3hree5ive]

why would anybody veto my trade? my clippers could possibly have the first two picks in this years draft and i get a fat expiring deal and the wolves get two great players and take the burden off the clippers having to worry about re-signing brand. i'd be pretty disgusted with this game if the one outside the box, ballsy trade i make gets vetoed. where is the fun in that?

[Duncanfan]

why would anybody veto my trade? my clippers could possibly have the first two picks in this years draft and i get a fat expiring deal and the wolves get two great players and take the burden off the clippers having to worry about re-signing brand. i'd be pretty disgusted with this game if the one outside the box, ballsy trade i make gets vetoed. where is the fun in that?

There is nothing wrong with making a ballsy trade. However, doing the trade under the assumption that your pick(s) will be top 2 is not realistic. The draft order hasn't been determined yet and could very well not go in your favor. We all know what happened when Dallas attempted a ballsy move last time trading Dirk and Howard (I think) for Boston's pick thinking he'll land with Oden and retool his franchise and all he was left with was Corey Brewer. And Boston laughed all the way to the bank. This trade is too one-sided in Minnesota's favor and Brand+Thornton are not worth risking the pick that could not even be a top-5 pick when its all said and done.

[dunkonu21]

Minnesota has been playing great lately. Randy Foye just came back and is starting to get into game shape. Theo Ratliff is going to be back around the all-star game.

Foye/Telfair
McCants/Jaric/Foye/Gerald Green
Gomes/Brewer/Walker
Jefferson/Craig Smith/Gomes/Walker
Ratliff/Jefferson/Doleac

This team is deep and talented, and starting to get some experience. They have won 5 out of 8, including victories against Phx (twice), Golden St and Chicago.

They could easily start winning some game, I am a die-hard T-Wolves fan and I want the #1 pick real bad, but I don't think they are gonna get it. Banking on it would be VERY risky. Even if they do have the worst record they only have a 25% chance at the 1st pick.

[loflin3hree5ive]

thanks for your concern guys but even if it's not in the top two i wouldn't be heartbroken. besides, teams around the 4-7 spots in the lottery win more often than the team w/ the worst record and most ping pong balls. wolves are young, they'll hit a wall and almost every team has a stretch where they win some ball games.

[roseorbust]

Veto the Wolves Clippers trade, I am the third official vetoer.

[dockingsched]

there's a very real chance that the trade turns out great for the clippers. honestly, what do u expect someone with the clippers to do? they don't exactly have all these assets that everyone else has. he's going to have to risk a lot if he wants to win this game. taking away is choice of taking a risk is kinda like taking away his chance of winning this game.

[xxSnEaKyPxx]

there's a very real chance that the trade turns out great for the clippers. honestly, what do u expect someone with the clippers to do? they don't exactly have all these assets that everyone else has. he's going to have to risk a lot if he wants to win this game. taking away is choice of taking a risk is kinda like taking away his chance of winning this game.

Agreed. I think Al Thorton might be too much though. I watched this guy in college, I expect he'll turn out to be a very good player.

[bryant08]

Veto the Wolves Clippers trade, I am the third official vetoer.

Trade vetoed, sorry guys.

[bryant08]

DAL/PHX/HOU trade REJECTED sorry. Originally I stated accepted, but did not fully understand the situation. PHX must cut 3 players before the first deal, and this would send them under the roster limit (you can stay on 11 for 2 weeks, but you can never go below 11). He then goes over the roster limit after the 1st trade by gaining 6 players, and then trades them in another deal. So this is going to have to be majorly re-tooled for it to go down. Sorry for being a pain guys. If there is some rule on simultaneous trades, let me know.

Guillermo Diaz signing accepted.

[roseorbust]

hubabaloo?

[bryant08]

The New Orlean Hornets and Orlando Magic have reached a trade agreement:

Trade ID: 4478595

New Orlean trades:
Morris Peterson

Orlando Trades:
JJ Redick
Carlos Arroyo


New Orlean accepts and welcomes an accomplished, young shooter and the much needed backup PG to our team. We wish Morris all the best in Orlando and thank him for his service to the organization.

Accepted.

[bryant08]

Chi/Indy trade accepted
Sac/Indy trade accepted

[bryant08]

The Sixers and Raptors have come to a deal

Reggie Evans
for
Juan Dixon
Andre Barrett
Marcus Williams

2.55M+$427K+798K = 3.775 (TOR Outgoing)
4.32M (PHI Outgoing)

3.775x1.25=4.7>4.32