Ben Simmons Containment Thread Take 3

[Sportfan73]

One would think if Ben was willing to be traded to a non-competing team, then the deal would already been completed. Every day that passes re-confirms that Klutch and Ben wont even talk to another team not on the list. Toronto, Minny, Portland, Sacramento, Cleveland and others have the assets, have shown the interest but still no smoke.

Klutch has a reputation to protect. When a star tells them he wants out, they say "where too?" and that the end of it. There is no way this does not end horribly for everyone involved. Still, Klutch will definitely win and the Sixers will definitely lose. Klutch will stand by their guy and fight tooth and nail to enforce their power. Philly will just get backlisted by all other agents.

It takes two to tangle. What team can use a guy like Simmons? Not that many, imo. I'm not saying he's not talented because he is, but he is so unique that not every team can just fit him into the lineup. Plus, the asking price is way too high.

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Say what you want about Cleveland but they just added a guy in Lauri that is one of the best fits in the league with Ben, and they currently have Love as well. Mobley will be able to stretch it as well. Cleveland fit is being severely understated just because of Allen

[BoogieTime]

One would think if Ben was willing to be traded to a non-competing team, then the deal would already been completed. Every day that passes re-confirms that Klutch and Ben wont even talk to another team not on the list. Toronto, Minny, Portland, Sacramento, Cleveland and others have the assets, have shown the interest but still no smoke.

Klutch has a reputation to protect. When a star tells them he wants out, they say "where too?" and that the end of it. There is no way this does not end horribly for everyone involved. Still, Klutch will definitely win and the Sixers will definitely lose. Klutch will stand by their guy and fight tooth and nail to enforce their power. Philly will just get backlisted by all other agents.

It takes two to tangle. What team can use a guy like Simmons? Not that many, imo. I'm not saying he's not talented because he is, but he is so unique that not every team can just fit him into the lineup. Plus, the asking price is way too high.

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Say what you want about Cleveland but they just added a guy in Lauri that is one of the best fits in the league with Ben, and they currently have Love as well. Mobley will be able to stretch it as well. Cleveland fit is being severely understated just because of Allen

I agree. I got Cleveland as the front runners, and 2/1 at this juncture

Sexton gets a lot of stuff, but its hard to see a more proven option at this point who is better.

In some form or fashion I think Sexton will be on the Sixers to start the year

[LightTheBeam]

Would the Wizards sell off Beal if the price was right?

Maxey + Mobley + Love to the Wizards

Simmons + Philly 1sts to the Cavs

Beal to Philly

Wizards do a full sale. Rebuild with Maxey, Kispert, Deni, Rui, Mobley

Cavs go all in now with Garland - Sexton - Simmons - Lauri - Allen

Philly finally gets a legit #2 next to Embid. Go all in the next 3 years. Curry - Beal - Thybulle - Tobias - Embid

I wouldn't touch this as Cleveland, but I keep being told Simmons is going to fetch something major.

[Sportfan73]

It takes two to tangle. What team can use a guy like Simmons? Not that many, imo. I'm not saying he's not talented because he is, but he is so unique that not every team can just fit him into the lineup. Plus, the asking price is way too high.

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Say what you want about Cleveland but they just added a guy in Lauri that is one of the best fits in the league with Ben, and they currently have Love as well. Mobley will be able to stretch it as well. Cleveland fit is being severely understated just because of Allen

I agree. I got Cleveland as the front runners, and 2/1 at this juncture

Sexton gets a lot of stuff, but its hard to see a more proven option at this point who is better.

In some form or fashion I think Sexton will be on the Sixers to start the year

How many other teams being talked about have that many stretch bigs? And someone that has the appeal of sexton. You’re right people can say what they want but if the picks and expirings are close to equal he beats the hell out of Beasley and McDaniels

[Dadouv47]

One would think if Ben was willing to be traded to a non-competing team, then the deal would already been completed. Every day that passes re-confirms that Klutch and Ben wont even talk to another team not on the list. Toronto, Minny, Portland, Sacramento, Cleveland and others have the assets, have shown the interest but still no smoke.

Klutch has a reputation to protect. When a star tells them he wants out, they say "where too?" and that the end of it. There is no way this does not end horribly for everyone involved. Still, Klutch will definitely win and the Sixers will definitely lose. Klutch will stand by their guy and fight tooth and nail to enforce their power. Philly will just get backlisted by all other agents.

It takes two to tangle. What team can use a guy like Simmons? Not that many, imo. I'm not saying he's not talented because he is, but he is so unique that not every team can just fit him into the lineup. Plus, the asking price is way too high.

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Say what you want about Cleveland but they just added a guy in Lauri that is one of the best fits in the league with Ben, and they currently have Love as well. Mobley will be able to stretch it as well. Cleveland fit is being severely understated just because of Allen

Love is washed and Philly probably gonna ask for Sexton but u are right that if Cleveland is able to keep him, I really like the fit for Simmons in Cleveland (and I'm really low on Sexton, just think that Simmons/Sexton can really complement each other).

[Sportfan73]

It takes two to tangle. What team can use a guy like Simmons? Not that many, imo. I'm not saying he's not talented because he is, but he is so unique that not every team can just fit him into the lineup. Plus, the asking price is way too high.

.

Say what you want about Cleveland but they just added a guy in Lauri that is one of the best fits in the league with Ben, and they currently have Love as well. Mobley will be able to stretch it as well. Cleveland fit is being severely understated just because of Allen

Love is washed and Philly probably gonna ask for Sexton but u are right that if Cleveland is able to keep him, I really like the fit for Simmons in Cleveland (and I'm really low on Sexton, just think that Simmons/Sexton can really complement each other).

Philly will definitely ask for sexton, garland is a clutch client and it’s been said Simmons would like to play with him

[mademan]

Would the Wizards sell off Beal if the price was right?

Maxey + Mobley + Love to the Wizards

Simmons + Philly 1sts to the Cavs

Beal to Philly

Wizards do a full sale. Rebuild with Maxey, Kispert, Deni, Rui, Mobley

Cavs go all in now with Garland - Sexton - Simmons - Lauri - Allen

Philly finally gets a legit #2 next to Embid. Go all in the next 3 years. Curry - Beal - Thybulle - Tobias - Embid

I wouldn't touch this as Cleveland, but I keep being told Simmons is going to fetch something major.

Cavs will live and die on Mobley's potential. Dont think he's ever on the table for Simmons

[Sportfan73]

Would the Wizards sell off Beal if the price was right?

Maxey + Mobley + Love to the Wizards

Simmons + Philly 1sts to the Cavs

Beal to Philly

Wizards do a full sale. Rebuild with Maxey, Kispert, Deni, Rui, Mobley

Cavs go all in now with Garland - Sexton - Simmons - Lauri - Allen

Philly finally gets a legit #2 next to Embid. Go all in the next 3 years. Curry - Beal - Thybulle - Tobias - Embid

I wouldn't touch this as Cleveland, but I keep being told Simmons is going to fetch something major.

Cavs will live and die on Mobley's potential. Dont think he's ever on the table for Simmons

He and garland pair well with Ben though

[zimpy27]

Any chance 76ers move Ben and Harris?

[RoyceDa59]

I really want the Raptors to trade for Simmons and make him the starting Center.

[pipfan]

Let's say the two sides can't find a deal, and they decide to wait until the new contracts can be signed. I know, not the best situation, but it is possible

DDR/JGrant to Sixers, maybe with the Port 1st
Simmons to Bulls
PWill/DGreen (or a few smaller contracts) to Det

Det gets a great young piece to build with for Cunningham Hayes/Cunningham/Bey/PWill/Stewart is their core

Bulls bring 3 Klutch guys together in a big market Ball/Lavine/?/Simmons/Vuc

Philly adds 2 near All Stars in DDR and JGrant, win-now guys who can help Embiid to get to the Finals. DDR gets flack on this board, but he just put up an efficient 21/7 assist season in SA

[clippertown]

One would think if Ben was willing to be traded to a non-competing team, then the deal would already been completed. Every day that passes re-confirms that Klutch and Ben wont even talk to another team not on the list. Toronto, Minny, Portland, Sacramento, Cleveland and others have the assets, have shown the interest but still no smoke.

Klutch has a reputation to protect. When a star tells them he wants out, they say "where too?" and that the end of it. There is no way this does not end horribly for everyone involved. Still, Klutch will definitely win and the Sixers will definitely lose. Klutch will stand by their guy and fight tooth and nail to enforce their power. Philly will just get backlisted by all other agents.

It takes two to tangle. What team can use a guy like Simmons? Not that many, imo. I'm not saying he's not talented because he is, but he is so unique that not every team can just fit him into the lineup. Plus, the asking price is way too high.

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The question is whether any team will take the massive gamble on him. Plenty of teams could use Simmons, but not in a way that justifies the price and he makes $33M. He is a top player as a point guard and an average player in every other position. No teams need a point guard except for the Clippers, and even then they have Bledsoe. Ben lives in LA and dates LA women. He wants to play in LA and not for the Lakers. Eventually, Philly will understand the futile situation and they will give into his demands.

Philly’s asking price is fair for the talent level, but no team will sign Ben without talking to him first. None.

[Tomjas]

One would think if Ben was willing to be traded to a non-competing team, then the deal would already been completed. Every day that passes re-confirms that Klutch and Ben wont even talk to another team not on the list. Toronto, Minny, Portland, Sacramento, Cleveland and others have the assets, have shown the interest but still no smoke.

Klutch has a reputation to protect. When a star tells them he wants out, they say "where too?" and that the end of it. There is no way this does not end horribly for everyone involved. Still, Klutch will definitely win and the Sixers will definitely lose. Klutch will stand by their guy and fight tooth and nail to enforce their power. Philly will just get backlisted by all other agents.

It takes two to tangle. What team can use a guy like Simmons? Not that many, imo. I'm not saying he's not talented because he is, but he is so unique that not every team can just fit him into the lineup. Plus, the asking price is way too high.

.

The question is whether any team will take the massive gamble on him. Plenty of teams could use Simmons, but not in a way that justifies the price and he makes $33M. He is a top player as a point guard and an average player in every other position. No teams need a point guard except for the Clippers, and even then they have Bledsoe. Ben lives in LA and dates LA women. He wants to play in LA and not for the Lakers. Eventually, Philly will understand the futile situation and they will give into his demands.

Philly’s asking price is fair for the talent level, but no team will sign Ben without talking to him first. None.

Simmons gf lives in the Uk & many nba players live in California during the offseason including some Sixers

[jbk1234]

Stein reporting Cleveland is trying to stay in the Simmons mix.

Feels like Rubio has to be in their outgoing to make the money work--but 3rd team right?
Garland would figure to be the main value piece over Sexton, right?
Then Osman? Who is negative.

So Rubio and Osman to a 3rd team for a win now piece?
Cleveland also adds draft compensation?

So the Cavs still think Simmons is a PG here? And if they're not sending out Sexton or Love, they're apparently willing to go deep into the tax? And Lauri is the sole floor spacer left on the roster?

I don't mean this to be overtly contrarian, but Simmons' inability, or unwillingness to shoot, makes his trade value much lower than the mod consensus.

This all sets aside the value ascribed to Garland.

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[jbk1234]

There was a report earlier in the week that Simmons is okay with Cleveland as a destination because of his relationship with Garland and him being clutch, I think it’s sexton, love, picks to be honest. Like everyone is acting like love makes no sense behind Embiid. Cut Drummond immediately because there’s no role for him and let love get 20-25 mpg when Embiid plays and 32-36 when he rests?

Having Love on the books as a 29m backup center in another year when Sexton comes due for a raise would be harsh to deal with; and probably a 50m+ tax bill in and of itself.

Rubio makes a lot more sense than Love; both financially and positionally.

Simmons (33m)
for
Rubio 18m (can be aggregated in 3 days), Sexton 6m, with Osman (8m + 7m next year) going elsewhere would have both Philly and Cleveland just under the tax. Obviously there is jostling for picks/value and needs to be motivation for someone to take Cedi.

So, something like:

Phi out: Simmons, Phi 22 1st
Phi in: Rubio, Sexton, Cle '22 1st; Cle 24 1st

Cle out: Rubio, Sexton, Cedi Cle '22 1st; Cle 24 1st
Cle in: Simmons

OKC out Cap space
OKC in: Cedi and worst of Phi/Cle '22 1st.

With everyone getting to go nuts over what protections and if in fact Ben Simmons is the worst player in the league.

Edit: I think this is the first Simmons trade I have posted in these threads?}

cleveland's spacing is so atrocious after this trade

Right?

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[jbk1234]

I'd be surprised, but not shocked, if the Cavs were anything other than a stalking horse here.

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[Ballerhogger]

Love to 76ers is about the only way this works but we know morey wants a young all star .. so DOA

[BoogieTime]

I'd be surprised, but not shocked, if the Cavs were anything other than a stalking horse here.

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Sexton is the best piece on the market as of now. Anything more and teams appear reluctant. Anything less wont do.

[Village Idiot]

If Cleveland had been planning on making a run on Simmons trading Larry Nance Jr. makes little sense. His salary would have been perfect to aggregate with Rubio and Sexton. It's really hard to see Cleveland adding Okoro or other young players and I can't imaging Philadelphia would consider adding Love and his massive deal to Harris at PF

[BoogieTime]

If Cleveland had been planning on making a run on Simmons trading Larry Nance Jr. makes little sense. His salary would have been perfect to aggregate with Rubio and Sexton. It's really hard to see Cleveland adding Okoro or other young players and I can't imaging Philadelphia would consider adding Love and his massive deal to Harris at PF

Sexton/Okoro/Love gets it done IMO

They are expendable and valued at the same time.