Thoughts in General, Rumors, etc... 7.0

[Godaddycurse]

That varies, as a counterpoint; Burks & Noel only cost SRPs *shrug*

Plus it's not like it puts the Pacers in the tax; so if they thought the draft compensation was fair for Turner & Duarte, I don't think it should be a hold-up. So the question is whether the Pacers think those LA picks & swaps are worth Turner & Duarte?

My guess would be no...unless they valued Russ as a tank commander and were worried that Turner & Duarte might help them win too many game, but like I said, I'm not as high on those picks as some people.

I still believe burks and noel only cost srps because of the duren/MIL 1st deal. without the latter detroit would've charged more.

That's fair, as I do to...but even then we're talking about swapping a midFRP for a late FRP and a bunch of SRPs. Still not an outright unprotected FRP.

Burks/Noel are also more valuable than 25M of dead salary (westbrook likely bought out)

[cgf]

I still believe burks and noel only cost srps because of the duren/MIL 1st deal. without the latter detroit would've charged more.

That's fair, as I do to...but even then we're talking about swapping a midFRP for a late FRP and a bunch of SRPs. Still not an outright unprotected FRP.

Burks/Noel are also more valuable than 25M of dead salary (westbrook likely bought out)

True, but they're not getting flipped for more than some SRPs. So it's not a big drastic shift in value...especially when the Pacers could be trying to tank, unlike Detroit that wants to start getting some traction with their young star #1 option.

[Scoot McGroot]

That's fair, as I do to...but even then we're talking about swapping a midFRP for a late FRP and a bunch of SRPs. Still not an outright unprotected FRP.

Burks/Noel are also more valuable than 25M of dead salary (westbrook likely bought out)

True, but they're not getting flipped for more than some SRPs. So it's not a big drastic shift in value...especially when the Pacers could be trying to tank, unlike Detroit that wants to start getting some traction with their young star #1 option.

They’re usable players that could be flipped for seconds, as you’ve pointed out. Westbrook is a buyout and dead salary that cannot be used most anywhere he’d be traded. There’s a huge difference. Detroit wanted those guys as players. Not many want Westbrook, the player (on his current contract).

[cgf]

Burks/Noel are also more valuable than 25M of dead salary (westbrook likely bought out)

True, but they're not getting flipped for more than some SRPs. So it's not a big drastic shift in value...especially when the Pacers could be trying to tank, unlike Detroit that wants to start getting some traction with their young star #1 option.

They’re usable players that could be flipped for seconds, as you’ve pointed out. Westbrook is a buyout and dead salary that cannot be used most anywhere he’d be traded. There’s a huge difference. Detroit wanted those guys as players. Not many want Westbrook, the player (on his current contract).

True, unless you want him as a tank-commander, but how much of a difference does that make to value? And is that difference enough to impact a bigger trade in which he's just there to make salaries match?

[Scoot McGroot]

True, but they're not getting flipped for more than some SRPs. So it's not a big drastic shift in value...especially when the Pacers could be trying to tank, unlike Detroit that wants to start getting some traction with their young star #1 option.

They’re usable players that could be flipped for seconds, as you’ve pointed out. Westbrook is a buyout and dead salary that cannot be used most anywhere he’d be traded. There’s a huge difference. Detroit wanted those guys as players. Not many want Westbrook, the player (on his current contract).

True, unless you want him as a tank-commander, but how much of a difference does that make to value? And is that difference enough to impact a bigger trade in which he's just there to make salaries match?

Well, it’s one thing to acquire 2 usable players making $25m combined, that you could trade. It’s another thing to acquire a $47m player that you have to waive and lock as dead salary on the books that limit other options. At least, to me, that is.

[Texas Chuck]

I think the best solution to the Westbrook saga is Westbrook/pick with top 4 protections for Hayward/Oubre. Hornets aren't competing this year, get some more flexibility next year, pick up pick when Ball has them a consistent playoff team or another asset when he doesn't and they are rebuilding yet again. Lakers get a very talented guy, and you should have two of he, Lebron, and AD most RS nights and you hope all 3 are healthy come playoff team. You haven't mortgaged the farm and you actually have a good player under contract next year rather than clearing $20M of cap space. Hayward plus full MLE is far better than they would do with $20M.

Pacers and Spurs and Pistons just don't have enough salary worth of decent players and the good stuff has been picked over from Utah. Hornets and Hayward just make sense. And Ball is going to understand that winning 21 games is better than winning 25 games anyway and this gives him a chance to start recruiting his guys.

[psman2]

I think the best solution to the Westbrook saga is Westbrook/pick with top 4 protections for Hayward/Oubre. Hornets aren't competing this year, get some more flexibility next year, pick up pick when Ball has them a consistent playoff team or another asset when he doesn't and they are rebuilding yet again. Lakers get a very talented guy, and you should have two of he, Lebron, and AD most RS nights and you hope all 3 are healthy come playoff team. You haven't mortgaged the farm and you actually have a good player under contract next year rather than clearing $20M of cap space. Hayward plus full MLE is far better than they would do with $20M.

Pacers and Spurs and Pistons just don't have enough salary worth of decent players and the good stuff has been picked over from Utah. Hornets and Hayward just make sense. And Ball is going to understand that winning 21 games is better than winning 25 games anyway and this gives him a chance to start recruiting his guys.

I agree that the salary cap route is likely not the best option for the Lakers unless they have some backroom knowledge of a high impact player willing to come on a discount for what that will be able to offer. I just don't think I would include that pick with so low of protection for a player like Hayward that has a 50/50 shot of being available at the end of the season. Oubre is a replacement level wing that will eat minutes since the Lakers are thin there but won't contribute alot to the bottom line. I think at the very most I would offer a top 10-8-5 type of protection (imo it really should be like 14/10/8) if they really wanted to gamble on Hayward's health and that offer is still likely twice the value another team would offer for that pair of players if any offers are even made.

[Texas Chuck]

I think the best solution to the Westbrook saga is Westbrook/pick with top 4 protections for Hayward/Oubre. Hornets aren't competing this year, get some more flexibility next year, pick up pick when Ball has them a consistent playoff team or another asset when he doesn't and they are rebuilding yet again. Lakers get a very talented guy, and you should have two of he, Lebron, and AD most RS nights and you hope all 3 are healthy come playoff team. You haven't mortgaged the farm and you actually have a good player under contract next year rather than clearing $20M of cap space. Hayward plus full MLE is far better than they would do with $20M.

Pacers and Spurs and Pistons just don't have enough salary worth of decent players and the good stuff has been picked over from Utah. Hornets and Hayward just make sense. And Ball is going to understand that winning 21 games is better than winning 25 games anyway and this gives him a chance to start recruiting his guys.

I agree that the salary cap route is likely not the best option for the Lakers unless they have some backroom knowledge of a high impact player willing to come on a discount for what that will be able to offer. I just don't think I would include that pick with so low of protection for a player like Hayward that has a 50/50 shot of being available at the end of the season. Oubre is a replacement level wing that will eat minutes since the Lakers are thin there but won't contribute alot to the bottom line. I think at the very most I would offer a top 10-8-5 type of protection (imo it really should be like 14/10/8) if they really wanted to gamble on Hayward's health and that offer is still likely twice the value another team would offer for that pair of players if any offers are even made.

Yeah you probably aren't wrong on what the correct value is. But I'm not worrying about perfecting value as LA as much as I want to get the best possible player back and I'll take some risk on health to get him. So I probably did overpay.

New York could still be an option too I guess but their most useful expendable players don't feel as useful to me.

[zimpy27]

I think the best solution to the Westbrook saga is Westbrook/pick with top 4 protections for Hayward/Oubre. Hornets aren't competing this year, get some more flexibility next year, pick up pick when Ball has them a consistent playoff team or another asset when he doesn't and they are rebuilding yet again. Lakers get a very talented guy, and you should have two of he, Lebron, and AD most RS nights and you hope all 3 are healthy come playoff team. You haven't mortgaged the farm and you actually have a good player under contract next year rather than clearing $20M of cap space. Hayward plus full MLE is far better than they would do with $20M.

Pacers and Spurs and Pistons just don't have enough salary worth of decent players and the good stuff has been picked over from Utah. Hornets and Hayward just make sense. And Ball is going to understand that winning 21 games is better than winning 25 games anyway and this gives him a chance to start recruiting his guys.

Something like that could work for sure. Maybe even unprotecting the 2027 FRP and giving the Lakers the DEN23FRP.

Though I think the Spurs is the best route as you suggested yesterday, either with or without McDermott. Here it is without McDermott:

Spurs get Westbrook, FRP(top 4 protected)
Lakers get J-Rich, Collins, $28m TPE

- The TPE can be used this season or next offseason
- Lakers duck the tax
- Lakers get an SG/SF and stretch big (two major needs).

Beverley, J-Rich, LeBron, Davis, Bryant -- Schroeder, Lonnie, Reaves, Collins, Jones

[gambitx777]

if they are both consenting single adults, i understand it might breach team policy but surely it wont be a big suspension

If he wasn't in direct leadership above her/him I don't see the issue.

Jeanine buss and Phil are sitting somewhere on the sofa somewhere reading this new and glancing over at each other lol.

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Did Phil reports to Jeannie when he was coaching the Lakers? Or did he report to Dr Jerry? To me, that would make a world of difference here.

For sure she was on the board of gov at the time she might have even been gm at that rate idk. But I think the big difference here is it was the 90s and no one gave a ****. Now they care too much and it's probably getting blown out of proportion. Unless there are details we don't understand yet. Tbd

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[NYG]

If he wasn't in direct leadership above her/him I don't see the issue.

Jeanine buss and Phil are sitting somewhere on the sofa somewhere reading this new and glancing over at each other lol.

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Did Phil reports to Jeannie when he was coaching the Lakers? Or did he report to Dr Jerry? To me, that would make a world of difference here.

For sure she was on the board of gov at the time she might have even been gm at that rate idk. But I think the big difference here is it was the 90s and no one gave a ****. Now they care too much and it's probably getting blown out of proportion. Unless there are details we don't understand yet. Tbd

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As per Shams it's official... suspended for the season.

There is some stuff I've read on-line about some potential details, but they're so unreliable and gossipy, I don't care to relay any of it.

[zimpy27]

The early whispers of drug use in combination with inappropriate relations feels more correct now that it looks like Ime will never coach for the Celtics again.

[NYG]

The early whispers of drug use in combination with inappropriate relations feels more correct now that it looks like Ime will never coach for the Celtics again.

I'm not sure what it was... If anything of what I read was true then he may never coach in the NBA again.

[zimpy27]

The early whispers of drug use in combination with inappropriate relations feels more correct now that it looks like Ime will never coach for the Celtics again.

I'm not sure what it was... If anything of what I read was true then he may never coach in the NBA again.

Well that is extreme for sure

[NYG]

The early whispers of drug use in combination with inappropriate relations feels more correct now that it looks like Ime will never coach for the Celtics again.

I'm not sure what it was... If anything of what I read was true then he may never coach in the NBA again.

Well that is extreme for sure

Yeah, most likely it's just as simple as what's being reported though and given the nature of the accusations, there can't be much information given out in which case, he will probably find a job again. Jason Kidd and Chauncey Billups got jobs after some bad accusations.

[Monky15]

Seems an easy way for Philly to get under the LT and for Charlotte to replace Bridges.

Hayward for Harris

Charlotte takes on the more expensive player but also the more reliable player.
Philly duck under the LT and get a guy who should fit in just fine. Assuming Hayward waves his trade kicker to play on a contender.

[HornetJail]

Seems an easy way for Philly to get under the LT and for Charlotte to replace Bridges.

Hayward for Harris

Charlotte takes on the more expensive player but also the more reliable player.
Philly duck under the LT and get a guy who should fit in just fine. Assuming Hayward waves his trade kicker to play on a contender.

we actually need SF a lot more than PF, and the versatility Hayward provides. We have PJ, and behind him McDaniels and Thor waiting for minutes. At SF, it's Hayward, Oubre, and a void. Unless Philly is sending us Thybulle or something, I'd stand pat and gamble on Hayward's health.

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[zimpy27]

The early whispers of drug use in combination with inappropriate relations feels more correct now that it looks like Ime will never coach for the Celtics again.

I'm not sure what it was... If anything of what I read was true then he may never coach in the NBA again.

Horrible news about Ime Udoka if such accusations are true, and imho too harsh a punishment. He's an incredible coach. I was so impressed with his work against the Heat last season.

Well we don't know what he did but if it's only bad enough for a Celtics suspension then I suspect he gets to work again.

[Karmaloop]

I think the best solution to the Westbrook saga is Westbrook/pick with top 4 protections for Hayward/Oubre. Hornets aren't competing this year, get some more flexibility next year, pick up pick when Ball has them a consistent playoff team or another asset when he doesn't and they are rebuilding yet again. Lakers get a very talented guy, and you should have two of he, Lebron, and AD most RS nights and you hope all 3 are healthy come playoff team. You haven't mortgaged the farm and you actually have a good player under contract next year rather than clearing $20M of cap space. Hayward plus full MLE is far better than they would do with $20M.

Pacers and Spurs and Pistons just don't have enough salary worth of decent players and the good stuff has been picked over from Utah. Hornets and Hayward just make sense. And Ball is going to understand that winning 21 games is better than winning 25 games anyway and this gives him a chance to start recruiting his guys.

And I'll ask you this, do you think Gordon Hayward is going to stay healthy enough to effectively skip over '23 FA period? Because I certainly don't.