Rumors, Random Thoughts, and Non-threadworthy Posts 17.0 The Least Random

[Godaddycurse]

LaVine/JV

for

Bridges/Green/Nurkic

requires what incentive to the Kings if any? Hornets want to be more competitive. This gives them a scorer/shooter next to Ball in the backcourt that lets their draft pick have a couple years to ramp up if needed. JV gives them a competent center to pair with Williams. Kings save money next year and just hope this mix fits better.

Like it if Charlotte drafts bailey, dont like it if they draft edgecombe

Sac probably prefer to keep lavine over derozan since bridges make their spacing even worse

[ferk]

The problem is we are going to have to dump Konchar entirely already to pay JJJ as well as one of Clarke or Aldama. We cannot do a cap neutral trade with him. But if we let Aldama walk, and dump Konchar, then resign JJJ to almost max he can get. Maybe use room exception. Then we could do something like Clarke/GG Jackson/Huff as enough salary for Cam J. I am not a big fan so I would be against the trade since I don't think he can be full time SF and is a bad rebounding PF when we go smaller with JJJ at center.

the griz dont really need to dump anyone for the 25/26 season

So you don't think we are going to renegotiate and extend JJJ? Right now we are way short of the needed money to do so but already started down that path with the Smart trade, I doubt we have changed our minds now.

how are the grizz short of the money ?

196 M with 60ish M in caps holds and 36M is Bagley and Kennard and the lux tax at 188 M, thats pretty far away from worry about JJJ so much that we dump salary, we can just renounce bagley , kennard and Yuta/Stevens/Pons for 2M each .

[psman2]

the griz dont really need to dump anyone for the 25/26 season

So you don't think we are going to renegotiate and extend JJJ? Right now we are way short of the needed money to do so but already started down that path with the Smart trade, I doubt we have changed our minds now.

how are the grizz short of the money ?

196 M with 60ish M in caps holds and 36M is Bagley and Kennard and the lux tax at 188 M, thats pretty far away from worry about JJJ so much that we dump salary, we can just renounce bagley , kennard and Yuta/Stevens/Pons for 2M each .

To renegotiate and extend JJJ we have to have the money under the cap to bring his next year's salary up to near his max. Right now we are roughly only 6m under with everyone we currently have under contract and need to get as close to 22m under the cap if we hope to give JJJ close to his max eligible extension. Are you familiar with how renegotiations work? Renouncing Bagley, kennard and Yuta/Stevens/Pons for 2M each does not change the fact that we have to clear more salary, all that is already factored in.

[ferk]

So you don't think we are going to renegotiate and extend JJJ? Right now we are way short of the needed money to do so but already started down that path with the Smart trade, I doubt we have changed our minds now.

how are the grizz short of the money ?

196 M with 60ish M in caps holds and 36M is Bagley and Kennard and the lux tax at 188 M, thats pretty far away from worry about JJJ so much that we dump salary, we can just renounce bagley , kennard and Yuta/Stevens/Pons for 2M each .

To renegotiate and extend JJJ we have to have the money under the cap to bring his next year's salary up to near his max. Right now we are roughly only 6m under with everyone we currently have under contract and need to get as close to 22m under the cap if we hope to give JJJ close to his max eligible extension. Are you familiar with how renegotiations work? Renouncing Bagley, kennard and Yuta/Stevens/Pons for 2M each does not change the fact that we have to clear more salary, all that is already factored in.

haha , yeah , i meant if if misses all nba . why renegotiate .

[psman2]

how are the grizz short of the money ?

196 M with 60ish M in caps holds and 36M is Bagley and Kennard and the lux tax at 188 M, thats pretty far away from worry about JJJ so much that we dump salary, we can just renounce bagley , kennard and Yuta/Stevens/Pons for 2M each .

To renegotiate and extend JJJ we have to have the money under the cap to bring his next year's salary up to near his max. Right now we are roughly only 6m under with everyone we currently have under contract and need to get as close to 22m under the cap if we hope to give JJJ close to his max eligible extension. Are you familiar with how renegotiations work? Renouncing Bagley, kennard and Yuta/Stevens/Pons for 2M each does not change the fact that we have to clear more salary, all that is already factored in.

haha , yeah , i meant if if misses all nba . why renegotiate .

I think the idea is to lock him up now and not risk him playing a expiring contract and walking. And the hope is by doing it now and giving him a big raise next year then he may be willing to shave a few million a year on the later years.

[ferk]

To renegotiate and extend JJJ we have to have the money under the cap to bring his next year's salary up to near his max. Right now we are roughly only 6m under with everyone we currently have under contract and need to get as close to 22m under the cap if we hope to give JJJ close to his max eligible extension. Are you familiar with how renegotiations work? Renouncing Bagley, kennard and Yuta/Stevens/Pons for 2M each does not change the fact that we have to clear more salary, all that is already factored in.

haha , yeah , i meant if if misses all nba . why renegotiate .

I think the idea is to lock him up now and not risk him playing a expiring contract and walking. And the hope is by doing it now and giving him a big raise next year then he may be willing to shave a few million a year on the later years.

i could see that i suppose but i would avoid it . , pain now if we get more friendly team deal , i've also read that the 36.5 M isnt accurate and it could start higher so getting a team friendly deal seems more reasonable if we can get an even larger amount in 25/26. i dont think he walks though but what do i know lol.

[Astaluego]

Is there anyway that we see Lillard being traded back to Portland?


I think they could use him when he's back. His injury means they can tank one more season.

I raised this in a Lillard+Connaughton for Simons/Grant/RWilliams trade. (and didn't like it very much, frankly)

[Mavrelous]

Is there anyway that we see Lillard being traded back to Portland?


I think they could use him when he's back. His injury means they can tank one more season.

I raised this in a Lillard+Connaughton for Simons/Grant/RWilliams trade. (and didn't like it very much, frankly)

I think POR turns this down, but I like it a lot for MIL, gives them another competitive 2-3 years with Giannis, though not contenders.

[zimpy27]

Is there anyway that we see Lillard being traded back to Portland?


I think they could use him when he's back. His injury means they can tank one more season.

I raised this in a Lillard+Connaughton for Simons/Grant/RWilliams trade. (and didn't like it very much, frankly)

I think POR turns this down, but I like it a lot for MIL, gives them another competitive 2-3 years with Giannis, though not contenders.

Yeah I was thinking something similar to this. Maybe even Ayton+Simons.

[Mavrelous]

I raised this in a Lillard+Connaughton for Simons/Grant/RWilliams trade. (and didn't like it very much, frankly)

I think POR turns this down, but I like it a lot for MIL, gives them another competitive 2-3 years with Giannis, though not contenders.

Yeah I was thinking something similar to this. Maybe even Ayton+Simons.

Grant has to go back in this deal, main incentive for POR is replacing Grant 3 year deal with similar sized Lillard 2 years deal.

[Astaluego]

Bridges/M.Williams/Heat FRP+34? for Lonzo/P.Williams/J.Smith + 12

The Hornets return to the lottery and focus on the future... The Bulls get a center archetype from what they have (who should fit great with Giddey) plus a starting-caliber wing, while getting rid of PWill's bad money.

[Astaluego]

Is there any chance that the Lakers/Hornets will negotiate again for M. Williams? Or has that ship sailed? I still think they need each other, they are ideal partners (for that particular trade). After all (according to rumors) he was chosen by Luka and there wasn't enough time to get the negotiations back on track (to find some narrative to hold onto). What do you think?

[dcstanley]

Does a Derrick White and Darius Garland swap make sense?

[Mavrelous]

Is there any chance that the Lakers/Hornets will negotiate again for M. Williams? Or has that ship sailed? I still think they need each other, they are ideal partners (for that particular trade). After all (according to rumors) he was chosen by Luka and there wasn't enough time to get the negotiations back on track (to find some narrative to hold onto). What do you think?

No chance, it'll set a terrible precedent...

[Astaluego]

Is Gobert in the market? What offers could the Wolves receive? I suppose they'd settle for a decent center and some savings? Which teams would want him?

[daoneandonly]

Who are the best front office/GM guys available? Or someone who's under the radar would be a worthwhile risk/hire?

[daoneandonly]

A Mavs offseason to consider IMO

It's beyond evident Nico is too close to AD, and this is a clear conflict of interest with respect to doing what's best for the team you are supposed to manage. The owners need to right this wrong immediately:

1. Fire Nico Harrison & Jason Kidd
2. Let Finley run the show, see if Coach K from Duke is interested in a head of basketball-type position, or hire a retread like David Griffin
3. Let that new GM hire the coach, maybe someone like Taylor Jenkins
4. Trade AD for a package that brings back an all-star or near-all-star level player with some picks you should have gotten when trading Luka

Something like
Dallas Receives: Brandon Ingram, #39 pick (via TOR), TOR 2026 FRP, TOR 2028 FRP, Ochai Agbaji, Payton Pritchard
Toronto Receives: Anthony Davis
Boston Receives Grady Dick

Tor gets the best player and can compete right away in an even more wide-open East, like they did with the Kawhi trade, though this won't be a rental. Boston sheds some salary and Dick can slide into a wing spot with Tatum out next year. Dallas gets Ingram who will fit better with Flagg/PJ/Lively and help alleviate offensive woes with Kyrie out. They recoup picks they should have gotten originally, and Pritchard can be their stop gap PG while Irving recuperates.

Lively/Gaff
PJ/Naji
Flagg/Klay
Ingram/Christie
Irving**/Pritchard/Tyrese Proctor (drafted with #39)

Some more deals are needed like shipping out Klay or Martin, but this would be a start that I could get behind.

[ferk]

Who are the best front office/GM guys available? Or someone who's under the radar would be a worthwhile risk/hire?

maybe Mike Miller if he's interested lol

[Godaddycurse]

A Mavs offseason to consider IMO

It's beyond evident Nico is too close to AD, and this is a clear conflict of interest with respect to doing what's best for the team you are supposed to manage. The owners need to right this wrong immediately:

1. Fire Nico Harrison & Jason Kidd
2. Let Finley run the show, see if Coach K from Duke is interested in a head of basketball-type position, or hire a retread like David Griffin
3. Let that new GM hire the coach, maybe someone like Taylor Jenkins
4. Trade AD for a package that brings back an all-star or near-all-star level player with some picks you should have gotten when trading Luka

Something like
Dallas Receives: Brandon Ingram, #39 pick (via TOR), TOR 2026 FRP, TOR 2028 FRP, Ochai Agbaji, Payton Pritchard
Toronto Receives: Anthony Davis
Boston Receives Grady Dick

Tor gets the best player and can compete right away in an even more wide-open East, like they did with the Kawhi trade, though this won't be a rental. Boston sheds some salary and Dick can slide into a wing spot with Tatum out next year. Dallas gets Ingram who will fit better with Flagg/PJ/Lively and help alleviate offensive woes with Kyrie out. They recoup picks they should have gotten originally, and Pritchard can be their stop gap PG while Irving recuperates.

Lively/Gaff
PJ/Naji
Flagg/Klay
Ingram/Christie
Irving**/Pritchard/Tyrese Proctor (drafted with #39)

Some more deals are needed like shipping out Klay or Martin, but this would be a start that I could get behind.

Davis is a terrible fit with barnes and poeltl. Too old as well..we are not ready to contend right Away and im skeptical he can keep producing at this high of level as he ages.. his injuries will catch up to him sooner than later. Lastly this puts us well into the tax. Pass

I recommend Sacramento if you want something like this. Lavine (or derozan + monk) and picks for AD.

[MoneyTalks41890]

The lottery jump saved Nico imo. Maybe not, but for better or worse I don’t think his seat is as hot as it was a month ago.