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[Godaddycurse]

76rs : Beal

Wiz: Monte Morris, Barton, J Green, picks from both teams

Nugs: Simmons.

What picks do nuggets have left to trade?

[LightTheBeam]

Not sure I understand the value for the Pacers. I guess they feel the team has peaked.

3rd team is definitely needed here though -

Love the idea of getting Charlotte involved, just not sure where else they can add value?

Charlotte out: Hayward, ????
Charlotte in: Lamb, Sabonis

Philly out: Maxey, Simmons
Philly in: Levert, Brogdon, Picks for Charlotte?

Indiana out: Sabonis, Levert, Lamb, Brogdan
Indiana In: Simmons, Hayward, Maxey

No way would I trade Sabonis for Hayward. Sabonis is 6 years younger and Hayward is overpaid and injury prone. I wouldn't take him even with 2 #1 picks for Sabonis.

Again, saying that this amounts to Sabonis for Hayward is an over simplified version of what I actually proposed.

The other fans were saying it would cost LeVert, Brogdan, 2 1sts for Simmons.

The scenario I proposed amounts to Indiana getting Maxey, Hayward, and keeping their 1st round picks, while instead giving up Sabonis.

I have no issues with you saying you wouldn't do that, but saying that this is Hayward for Sabonis is just wrong.

[cool93]

Once Gary Trent's contract sets in, I'd trade Gary + Boucher + 1st rd

I assume you mean for Tobias Harris?

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No I meant Ben Simmons. His value is down considrably. You're not getting a All-Star package for him

We aren't getting garbage package either, so there is no reason for obvious troll posts like yours

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[toooskies]

In theory, Brooklyn would want similar packages for Kyrie that Philly would want for Simmons-- does a three-way deal make sense where Kyrie goes to Philly, two of Turner/Sabonis/Brogdon/LaVert go to Brooklyn, and Simmons goes to Indy?

[Texas Chuck]

I assume you mean for Tobias Harris?

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No I meant Ben Simmons. His value is down considrably. You're not getting a All-Star package for him

We aren't getting garbage package either, so there is no reason for obvious troll posts like yours

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as a poster I'm on record as believing Simmons is going to return more than most think.

As a Mod let be me clear that he is entitled to his opinion and his offer without being labeled a troll. You are just as welcome to tell him just how wrong you think he is. But let's leave off the name-calling which is not constructive.

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Chuck

[gswhoops]

I haven’t had my coffee yet but if it’s midseason and last year looks like a fluke maybe this is a possibility:

Sixers: McCollum, RoCo, POR 1st

Jazz: Simmons, Nurkic

Blazers: Gobert, (filler from Philly/Utah)

[Roy The Natural]

I haven’t had my coffee yet but if it’s midseason and last year looks like a fluke maybe this is a possibility:

Sixers: McCollum, RoCo, POR 1st

Jazz: Simmons, Nurkic

Blazers: Gobert, (filler from Philly/Utah)

I think that's a bit much for Gobert. It makes Portland a significantly worse team after the trade IMO.

[eminence]

I like Gobert in Portland, but I don't think they can afford to do a 3 for 1, they'd need a real piece or two in that filler from the others.

[Roy The Natural]

I like Gobert in Portland, but I don't think they can afford to do a 3 for 1, they'd need a real piece or two in that filler from the others.

Yea... those are 3 REALLY good pieces coming from Portland. I can't see any way in which the impact of a healthy Nurkic, RoCo, and CJ is outdone by Gobert, it's really not even close. I think Portland is taking a significant hit in on court production and impact here, and they're also adding in a 1st rounder on top of it.

[eminence]

I'd probably say start by leaving Covington in Portland in that deal.

[Texas Chuck]

Portland would need to get a depth piece back for sure, but this is a superstar league and sorry but I believe in the ceiling of a Dame/Gobert team much more than a Dame/CJ/RoCo/Nurkic team especially since Nurkic is such a wild card who can't really be depended on. But even if you could assure me of 75 games, give me two top 10 players in the league who compliment each other brilliantly please.

Especially with Powell as a secondary scorer and I'm told all the time how Simons means they couldn't even use a player as good as Seth Curry so he slides up into a 6th man role providing more offense. Nance slips right into a starting role.

No brainer for the Blazers.

[Jay_Sizzle]

I think the ship has sailed for Simmons returning an all star like Beal, Lillard or Sabonis. If they were on the table, I am sure this would have not have dragged on so long.

More realistically, I think Philly chooses from:

Indiana: Brogdon/LeVert (possibly a protected first)
Portland: McCollum, RoCo
Minnesota: McDaniels, filler, multiple first round picks

I don't think there are any other teams will best the above offers.


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[Sportfan73]

I think the ship has sailed for Simmons returning an all star like Beal, Lillard or Sabonis. If they were on the table, I am sure this would have not have dragged on so long.

More realistically, I think Philly chooses from:

Indiana: Brogdon/LeVert (possibly a protected first)
Portland: McCollum, RoCo
Minnesota: McDaniels, filler, multiple first round picks

I don't think there are any other teams will best the above offers.


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I would way rather have Brogdon and levert than sabonis

[Roy The Natural]

Portland would need to get a depth piece back for sure, but this is a superstar league and sorry but I believe in the ceiling of a Dame/Gobert team much more than a Dame/CJ/RoCo/Nurkic team especially since Nurkic is such a wild card who can't really be depended on. But even if you could assure me of 75 games, give me two top 10 players in the league who compliment each other brilliantly please.

Especially with Powell as a secondary scorer and I'm told all the time how Simons means they couldn't even use a player as good as Seth Curry so he slides up into a 6th man role providing more offense. Nance slips right into a starting role.

No brainer for the Blazers.

I don't have Gobert anywhere near top 10 in the league. I understand the notion here. I just don't think it makes Portland better. And I'm not sure Portland has time to get weaker and hope to build back up in the next couple of years an obviously stronger core duo.

If Lillard was 26 and not on the fence about his long-term commitment to the team... Then sure. But I don't think Portland can afford to get worse in their current situation with the hope of fixing things going forward in future years.

[Texas Chuck]

Portland would need to get a depth piece back for sure, but this is a superstar league and sorry but I believe in the ceiling of a Dame/Gobert team much more than a Dame/CJ/RoCo/Nurkic team especially since Nurkic is such a wild card who can't really be depended on. But even if you could assure me of 75 games, give me two top 10 players in the league who compliment each other brilliantly please.

Especially with Powell as a secondary scorer and I'm told all the time how Simons means they couldn't even use a player as good as Seth Curry so he slides up into a 6th man role providing more offense. Nance slips right into a starting role.

No brainer for the Blazers.

I don't have Gobert anywhere near top 10 in the league. I understand the notion here. I just don't think it makes Portland better. And I'm not sure Portland has time to get weaker and hope to build back up in the next couple of years.

If Lillard was 26 and not on the fence about his long-term commitment to the team... Then sure. But I don't think Portland can afford to get worse in their current situation with the hope of fixing things going forward in future years.

But Portland gets better here, not worse. The difference between Nurkic and Gobert is massive. The difference between CJ/Powell and Powell/Simons is much much smaller.

If Dallas could turn KP. THJ, DFS into Gobert sign me up immediately and I'll deal with having to play a couple guys I'd rather not while we are dominating the league with our MVP candidate and the best defender on the planet. And be grateful that for some crazy reason Portland passed on doing the same thing with Dame and Gobert.

[Roy The Natural]

Portland would need to get a depth piece back for sure, but this is a superstar league and sorry but I believe in the ceiling of a Dame/Gobert team much more than a Dame/CJ/RoCo/Nurkic team especially since Nurkic is such a wild card who can't really be depended on. But even if you could assure me of 75 games, give me two top 10 players in the league who compliment each other brilliantly please.

Especially with Powell as a secondary scorer and I'm told all the time how Simons means they couldn't even use a player as good as Seth Curry so he slides up into a 6th man role providing more offense. Nance slips right into a starting role.

No brainer for the Blazers.

I don't have Gobert anywhere near top 10 in the league. I understand the notion here. I just don't think it makes Portland better. And I'm not sure Portland has time to get weaker and hope to build back up in the next couple of years.

If Lillard was 26 and not on the fence about his long-term commitment to the team... Then sure. But I don't think Portland can afford to get worse in their current situation with the hope of fixing things going forward in future years.

But Portland gets better here, not worse. The difference between Nurkic and Gobert is massive. The difference between CJ/Powell and Powell/Simons is much much smaller.

If Dallas could turn KP. THJ, DFS into Gobert sign me up immediately and I'll deal with having to play a couple guys I'd rather not while we are dominating the league with our MVP candidate and the best defender on the planet. And be grateful that for some crazy reason Portland passed on doing the same thing with Dame and Gobert.

I disagree that they get better. There's not much to suggest they would. They are losing 3 positive impact player for 1. Any metric that looks at wins added is going to suggest they're losing out here.

I 100% agree that if Portland had more time, and a star that was less disgruntled that this would be a good move for them. However, I don't think this raises their ceiling in the immediate... Especially when you consider how Gobert has looked in the playoffs the last couple of years.

They're left with an absolutely barren bench of basically Anfernee Simons and minimum contract. You go from being able to roll out Simons/Powell or McCollum/Nance/Zeller as the primary second unit to.... Simons and Zeller.... They'd need more than a "depth" piece. They'd need a legitimately good rotation piece to maintain their in season effectiveness.

At least that's my evaluation of the situation. Unlike the Mavs with Luka. I don't think Portland has the time to get worse this year, and get the correct pieces in place to be better next year.

Covington is a 6.5 WAR player by RAPTOR. Nurkic and McCollum are essentially 8 WAR players by RAPTOR over a full season. Gobert by WAR is basically a 13.5 WAR player. We've got a delta of about 5.5 WAR between a healthy Nurkic and Gobert. I understand that the stars are the biggest deal in the NBA. However, it again comes down to a timing issue and this makes Portland worse with the potential to be much better next year. I'm not sure that Lillard will give them that chance if they take a step back in the immediate.

[Sportfan73]

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[Slim Charless]

In theory, Brooklyn would want similar packages for Kyrie that Philly would want for Simmons-- does a three-way deal make sense where Kyrie goes to Philly, two of Turner/Sabonis/Brogdon/LaVert go to Brooklyn, and Simmons goes to Indy?

I came here to post something similar. If (big if) they can get KD and Harden to sign off on it then a Kyrie for Ben deal is almost completely perfect imo. I think Kyrie would sign off on it if he's allowed to play in Philly. I'm not sure what their laws are regarding covid, but if he can play w/o getting the vaccine, that means 15M more in his bank account than if he stays in BK.

As to the Nets, Simmons would happily do all the little things to help a team win. They lose Kyrie's offense but their D would significantly improved.

I think this has decent chance of happening if Kyrie still holds off on getting the vaccine. There's no way he plays only 41 games (less really since he can't play in Canada or San Fran either) this season. Every single game KD/Harden/Nash will have deal with the same questions. Imagine when they lose a few games that they should've won due to Kyrie not being there? That's not happening. Kyrie gets the vaccine or I think he's gone.

[BullyKing]

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Is the statement that would be enough from Pompey or him citing league sources? I'd personally find that return very underwhelming though it is what it is at this point.

[zimpy27]

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Is the statement that would be enough from Pompey or him citing league sources? I'd personally find that return very underwhelming though it is what it is at this point.

I think the fit for Philly is great. The objective value is less than Ben but the fit makes it worthwhile.

Can understand Philly fans being underwhelmed. Will get some pacer fans underwhelmed too probably