Rumors, Random Thoughts, and Non-threadworthy Posts 17.0 The Least Random

[YayBasketball]

Pels trade: McCullom + Olynyk + '26 first (worst of IND/MIL/NOP, lotto prot.)

Jazz trade: Collins + Sexton + pick #53 via LAC

Pels get two starters to help stabilize the roster.
Jazz move off two players not in their long term plans and gain a second first in next year's draft where they only have their own. They can reroute McCullom immediately or flip him at the deadline.

Collins/ Missi
Zion/ Karlo
Murphy/ *C. Bryant
Herb/ Hawkins/ Reeves
Sexton/ Jose/ (Murray)

[Mavrelous]

I think IND 1 and another heavily protected 1st is the right price.

[Astaluego]

What would a KD to Wolves trade look like? What Rudy/Naz/Randle/DDV /Conley/Dillingham combination would it be?

[SkyHook]

Pels trade: McCullom + Olynyk + '26 first (worst of IND/MIL/NOP, lotto prot.)

Jazz trade: Collins + Sexton + pick #53 via LAC

Pels get two starters to help stabilize the roster.
Jazz move off two players not in their long term plans and gain a second first in next year's draft where they only have their own. They can reroute McCullom immediately or flip him at the deadline.

Collins/ Missi
Zion/ Karlo
Murphy/ *C. Bryant
Herb/ Hawkins/ Reeves
Sexton/ Jose/ (Murray)

I'm not a fan of proposals that say that playerX can be flipped as key part of the value proposition. If the player has that value, find it and bring it to the table.

The Jazz shouldn't do this for a "worst of" pick that includes a team that will likely be in the finals.

[Astaluego]

Klay/Gafford/Hardy for J.Green?

The Mavs get a talented young player, looking to the future.
Houston gets the elite shooting they need and a solid center. Maybe take advantage and make him bigger to go after J. Brown with Gafford/Smith/Sheppard/Brooks/10, etc.

[YayBasketball]

I'm not a fan of proposals that say that playerX can be flipped as key part of the value proposition. If the player has that value, find it and bring it to the table.

The Jazz shouldn't do this for a "worst of" pick that includes a team that will likely be in the finals.

Dame/ Jrue trade. Blazers took on Jrue as playerX who can be flipped as key part of the value proposition. They then found the value and brought it to the table.

I'm not a fan of critiquing a trade then not offering a reasonable adjustment/ counter offer. We all have our preferences.

[bkohler]

I'm not a fan of proposals that say that playerX can be flipped as key part of the value proposition. If the player has that value, find it and bring it to the table.

The Jazz shouldn't do this for a "worst of" pick that includes a team that will likely be in the finals.

Dame/ Jrue trade. Blazers took on Jrue as playerX who can be flipped as key part of the value proposition. They then found the value and brought it to the table.

I'm not a fan of critiquing a trade then not offering a reasonable adjustment/ counter offer. We all have our preferences.

Personally I think CJM is a negative asset and your trade is trying to hide that and Skyhook is trying to kindly point that out, or at least decline kindly. If the thrown in had obvious value like jrue in your example then there’s no worries. For instance swap CJ with Trey and it’s a deal as there’s no reason to worry you can’t reroute him. But there’s a good chance the Jazz end up having a disgruntled CJM and are unable to move him. This trade nearly guarantees a high 20s for giving up two players who are starter level and taking on the negative asset.

I believe his point is you’d need to make the pick situation different. For instance send the second best of, or just the MIL pick outright for it to make sense for Utah.

[SkyHook]

I'm not a fan of proposals that say that playerX can be flipped as key part of the value proposition. If the player has that value, find it and bring it to the table.

The Jazz shouldn't do this for a "worst of" pick that includes a team that will likely be in the finals.

Dame/ Jrue trade. Blazers took on Jrue as playerX who can be flipped as key part of the value proposition. They then found the value and brought it to the table.

I'm not a fan of critiquing a trade then not offering a reasonable adjustment/ counter offer. We all have our preferences.

Do you believe that CJ has a positive value similar to what Jrue did when he was traded? I certainly don't, not remotely. I think his value is neutral at best. I don't see him being flipped for value.

[nolaPELSfan]

Pels: Maxey, Ayton

Sixers: Pels MIL swaps, pels 29 1st, Jerami Grant, Kelly O

Blazers: Lauri, CJ, Collins, Oubre

Jazz: Blazers MIL swaps, Cam J, Claxton, Dejounte

Nets: Simons, Timelord, 4 jazz 2nd rounders

[Mavrelous]

5 of the top 7 rotation players on the Knicks are umderpaid, the rest of the roster is rookie scale deals, and they are still at the cusp of the 2nd Apron.
Dolan is going to badmouth Silver again once someone puts a microphone in front of him.

[JRoy]

Pels: Maxey, Ayton

Sixers: Pels MIL swaps, pels 29 1st, Jerami Grant, Kelly O

Blazers: Lauri, CJ, Collins, Oubre

Jazz: Blazers MIL swaps, Cam J, Claxton, Dejounte

Nets: Simons, Timelord, 4 jazz 2nd rounders

Pass for POR.

Dumping Grant is great but pulling in an overpaid LM is not great.

Would rather hold those swaps or move them in a package to move up in the draft or go after a top guy.

[jayjaysee]

Pels: Maxey, Ayton

Sixers: Pels MIL swaps, pels 29 1st, Jerami Grant, Kelly O

Blazers: Lauri, CJ, Collins, Oubre

Jazz: Blazers MIL swaps, Cam J, Claxton, Dejounte

Nets: Simons, Timelord, 4 jazz 2nd rounders

Really ambitious..

But Nets part looks pretty bad.

Portland should stick with Deni/Camara and use assets on guards. But the get great value here so I guess do it and flip Lauri yourself?

Utah probably gets tol much value for Lauri once they trade Cam and Claxton..

But the only way I think this makes sense for Philly is if Giannis is going to Philly? And Milwaukee would rather have their own picks back than Maxey.

They don’t own their 2026 first and you want them to trade a star young player for 2 firsts, 1 swap, and bad contracts.. It just seems really far off.

And the Pels need to add.. probably a lot.

[Godaddycurse]

5 of the top 7 rotation players on the Knicks are umderpaid, the rest of the roster is rookie scale deals, and they are still at the cusp of the 2nd Apron.
Dolan is going to badmouth Silver again once someone puts a microphone in front of him.

Dont think Hart and Robinson are underpaid

[babyjax13]

Pels trade: McCullom + Olynyk + '26 first (worst of IND/MIL/NOP, lotto prot.)

Jazz trade: Collins + Sexton + pick #53 via LAC

Pels get two starters to help stabilize the roster.
Jazz move off two players not in their long term plans and gain a second first in next year's draft where they only have their own. They can reroute McCullom immediately or flip him at the deadline.

Collins/ Missi
Zion/ Karlo
Murphy/ *C. Bryant
Herb/ Hawkins/ Reeves
Sexton/ Jose/ (Murray)

I'm not a fan of proposals that say that playerX can be flipped as key part of the value proposition. If the player has that value, find it and bring it to the table.

The Jazz shouldn't do this for a "worst of" pick that includes a team that will likely be in the finals.

All the returning salary is expiring and CJ is head of the player's union. We saw with Trevor Booker and Mike Conley that players with social currency having a good time in Utah makes it easier to get free agents later. CJ would also be a good mentor to the billions of guards we have. This isn't a home run, but it is using expirings to trade for expirings and get a first (albeit late).

[nolaPELSfan]

Pels: Sexton, Kris Murray, Cody Williams, Utah#5

Jazz: Herb, Grant, Olynyk, Thybulle, #7, #11

Blazers: Lauri

[babyjax13]

Pels: Sexton, Kris Murray, Cody Williams, Utah#5

Jazz: Herb, Grant, Olynyk, Thybulle, #7, #11

Blazers: Lauri

I'd rather keep 5 and get a different package in return.

[babyjax13]

Pels: Maxey, Ayton

Sixers: Pels MIL swaps, pels 29 1st, Jerami Grant, Kelly O

Blazers: Lauri, CJ, Collins, Oubre

Jazz: Blazers MIL swaps, Cam J, Claxton, Dejounte

Nets: Simons, Timelord, 4 jazz 2nd rounders

I think Utah is getting tooo much here. I also think it is bad for Brooklyn. I have Cam > Simons and Claxton = Simons. But I think a workable deal could be found here?

[nolaPELSfan]

I'd rather keep 5 and get a different package in return.

I respect that. Is that mostly because of taking on Jerami Grant's contract though? Because 5 for 7,11, and Herb is too much without taking on some negative. Like 7+Herb for 5 is probably fair value already, but i figured yall would want the extra lotto pick at that cost.

[babyjax13]

I'd rather keep 5 and get a different package in return.

I respect that. Is that mostly because of taking on Jerami Grant's contract though? Because 5 for 7,11, and Herb is too much without taking on some negative. Like 7+Herb for 5 is probably fair value already, but i figured yall would want the extra lotto pick at that cost.

I just think #5 has higher upside relative to any of those other assets. I'm happy to take on salary, etc. for picks, but not to water down core rebuilding assets.

[NYG]

What is a player with similar status to KD (star, aging/older, expiring in need of extension) that was traded recently?