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[Sportfan73]

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Is the statement that would be enough from Pompey or him citing league sources? I'd personally find that return very underwhelming though it is what it is at this point.

At this point to me it’s one of two things. Indiana is the team and we are in negotiations with them, or we are getting decently close with someone else and they are putting Indiana out there to get the other team to give up the last like 1/4 of what they are asking for or something.

[toooskies]

In theory, Brooklyn would want similar packages for Kyrie that Philly would want for Simmons-- does a three-way deal make sense where Kyrie goes to Philly, two of Turner/Sabonis/Brogdon/LaVert go to Brooklyn, and Simmons goes to Indy?

I came here to post something similar. If (big if) they can get KD and Harden to sign off on it then a Kyrie for Ben deal is almost completely perfect imo. I think Kyrie would sign off on it if he's allowed to play in Philly. I'm not sure what their laws are regarding covid, but if he can play w/o getting the vaccine, that means 15M more in his bank account than if he stays in BK.

As to the Nets, Simmons would happily do all the little things to help a team win. They lose Kyrie's offense but their D would significantly improved.

I think this has decent chance of happening if Kyrie still holds off on getting the vaccine. There's no way he plays only 41 games (less really since he can't play in Canada or San Fran either) this season. Every single game KD/Harden/Nash will have deal with the same questions. Imagine when they lose a few games that they should've won due to Kyrie not being there? That's not happening. Kyrie gets the vaccine or I think he's gone.

While a direct swap makes sense for both teams on the court, I don't think Philly does Brooklyn or Simmons the favor. But Brooklyn is limited in where they could possibly trade Kyrie-- you can probably talk him into Philly since it's close enough to NY, even if he wouldn't take a trade to Indiana or Minnesota or Cleveland. Philly may, in fact, be the only place that Kyrie would play. If Brooklyn's only way to get value out of Kyrie is to send him to Philly, I think they'd do it even if they don't get Simmons. Because Brooklyn may not even want Simmons and his baggage.

Making the pieces fit is a lot simpler when you can add pretty much anybody to Brooklyn's roster in Kyrie's place to play with KD/Harden, whereas dealing with fit is a big problem when team X needs to both avoid the Philly problems of Simmons playing with dominant post guys while also not being able to send a post guy out themselves as part of the value. Sabonis/Brogdon makes a ton of sense for Brooklyn as well as being better than pillaging Indiana's perimeter for Simmons. I never liked Minnesota's packages but Beasley as another shooter would fit fine in Brooklyn. The Spurs are built out of stars-in-their-roles guys that Brooklyn could use to better effect than Philly.

[zimpy27]

Pacers give Brogdon, LeVert, Sabonis, Lamb
Pacers get Simmons, CJ, Simons

Blazers give CJ, Simons, POR24FRP
Blazers get Sabonis, Lamb

Sixers give Simmons
Sixers get Brogdon, LeVert, POR24FRP


I just really like the idea of Simmons and CJ playing together with shooters under Carlisle. I think that is the basis of a powerful offense.

[Slim Charless]

In theory, Brooklyn would want similar packages for Kyrie that Philly would want for Simmons-- does a three-way deal make sense where Kyrie goes to Philly, two of Turner/Sabonis/Brogdon/LaVert go to Brooklyn, and Simmons goes to Indy?

I came here to post something similar. If (big if) they can get KD and Harden to sign off on it then a Kyrie for Ben deal is almost completely perfect imo. I think Kyrie would sign off on it if he's allowed to play in Philly. I'm not sure what their laws are regarding covid, but if he can play w/o getting the vaccine, that means 15M more in his bank account than if he stays in BK.

As to the Nets, Simmons would happily do all the little things to help a team win. They lose Kyrie's offense but their D would significantly improved.

I think this has decent chance of happening if Kyrie still holds off on getting the vaccine. There's no way he plays only 41 games (less really since he can't play in Canada or San Fran either) this season. Every single game KD/Harden/Nash will have deal with the same questions. Imagine when they lose a few games that they should've won due to Kyrie not being there? That's not happening. Kyrie gets the vaccine or I think he's gone.

While a direct swap makes sense for both teams on the court, I don't think Philly does Brooklyn or Simmons the favor. But Brooklyn is limited in where they could possibly trade Kyrie-- you can probably talk him into Philly since it's close enough to NY, even if he wouldn't take a trade to Indiana or Minnesota or Cleveland. Philly may, in fact, be the only place that Kyrie would play. If Brooklyn's only way to get value out of Kyrie is to send him to Philly, I think they'd do it even if they don't get Simmons. Because Brooklyn may not even want Simmons and his baggage.

Making the pieces fit is a lot simpler when you can add pretty much anybody to Brooklyn's roster in Kyrie's place to play with KD/Harden, whereas dealing with fit is a big problem when team X needs to both avoid the Philly problems of Simmons playing with dominant post guys while also not being able to send a post guy out themselves as part of the value. Sabonis/Brogdon makes a ton of sense for Brooklyn as well as being better than pillaging Indiana's perimeter for Simmons. I never liked Minnesota's packages but Beasley as another shooter would fit fine in Brooklyn. The Spurs are built out of stars-in-their-roles guys that Brooklyn could use to better effect than Philly.

The problem with both of these teams is they're built to win now. So extra minor pieces don't matter as much. Both teams would need/want another all star for their guy and both teams have players that are very "picky" let's say in how they act.

As long as KD, Harden sign off I think that's the biggest issue. This would work out well. I'm sure both teams wouldn't be happy about the likelihood they meet in the playoffs, but what are you gonna do? In both cases I think that's the max value either team could get for either player.

[rzzzzz]

Is the Sixers FO using Pompey to send up a trial balloon? I agree with Zimpy that both Sixer fans and Indy fans will be underwhelmed, but Brogdon and LaVert should keep Philly contending, while Simmons would give Indy some genuine star talent to build around. Not a run away train, but a reasonable deal.

[Texas Chuck]

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Is the statement that would be enough from Pompey or him citing league sources? I'd personally find that return very underwhelming though it is what it is at this point.

At this point to me it’s one of two things. Indiana is the team and we are in negotiations with them, or we are getting decently close with someone else and they are putting Indiana out there to get the other team to give up the last like 1/4 of what they are asking for or something.

I think there is another very real option because we see it all the time. One guy runs with a Simmons to Indy story and then a bunch of guys base an article on that original "report" and it becomes the tail wagging the dog a bit.

I've yet to see anything reported credibly that remotely suggests a deal is close with Indiana. They are just a natural team to arise in speculation because they have lots of salary matching options that come with good veteran players who can help now plus they own enough picks to use as extra incentive and certainly they could use a top end talent upgrade.

But before them it was the Cavs that everyone ran with and before them it was the Wolves, and before them it was.... These guys get desperate for content and so they report on others' reports rather than actually getting out and talking to league sources who would know something.

[BoogieTime]

Is the Sixers FO using Pompey to send up a trial balloon? I agree with Zimpy that both Sixer fans and Indy fans will be underwhelmed, but Brogdon and LaVert should keep Philly contending, while Simmons would give Indy some genuine star talent to build around. Not a run away train, but a reasonable deal.

Take away the pick, and Brogdon/Levert are fine. Good for both

[BoogieTime]

If Indiana doesn't want to part with Levert, I think Duarte has shown enough to be solid so far in SL/preseason to be part of Brogdon/Duarte/protected pick

[GutUNC]

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Is the statement that would be enough from Pompey or him citing league sources? I'd personally find that return very underwhelming though it is what it is at this point.

I assumed it was from Keith's only source, Klutch.

[DoItALL9]

Would Indiana or Atlanta not be interested in being a third team in getting Ben Simmons to Minnesota?

Minnesota should be offering a Harden/Brooklyn like draft pick package + Beasley etc. (not Edwards, KAT, or Russell)

Indiana could give up Brogdon, Warren, or Turner and get back multiple picks

Atlanta could give up some combination of Reddish, Gallinari, Huerter, Hunter, or one of the other young guys.

IDK exactly which guys but there should be a combo that works for Philly short-term & long-term

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[Godaddycurse]

Would Indiana or Atlanta not be interested in being a third team in getting Ben Simmons to Minnesota?

Minnesota should be offering a Harden/Brooklyn like draft pick package + Beasley etc. (not Edwards, KAT, or Russell)

Indiana could give up Brogdon, Warren, or Turner and get back multiple picks

Atlanta could give up some combination of Reddish, Gallinari, Huerter, Hunter, or one of the other young guys.

IDK exactly which guys but there should be a combo that works for Philly short-term & long-term

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Both Atlanta and Indiana are trying to win now. pretty sure they would want simmons for themselves

[DoItALL9]

Atlanta can start to sure up their bench as they max out the guys they want to keep long-term.



Indiana is close to competing but still a couple of pieces away. They draft so well I would be encouraged by their scouting department having extra shots at a star.

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[pacers33granger]

If we trade Brogdon/LeVert for Simmons, we'd be running a lineup of Simmons/Lamb/Holiday/Myles/Domas. It would be interesting for sure, tripling down on the bigs concept before we've gotten the two bigs right. I just don't see it as something the team would be looking to do. Especially considering Rick wants everyone to at least try to shoot (McConnell took three 3s last game).

[mademan]

If we trade Brogdon/LeVert for Simmons, we'd be running a lineup of Simmons/Lamb/Holiday/Myles/Domas. It would be interesting for sure, tripling down on the bigs concept before we've gotten the two bigs right. I just don't see it as something the team would be looking to do. Especially considering Rick wants everyone to at least try to shoot (McConnell took three 3s last game).

To me, it's not about maximizing fit for this season. It's about getting a talent like Simmons for a fairly cheap price and then figuring it out later. To me, guards like Brogdon/Levert are very replaceable

[Tomjas]

If we trade Brogdon/LeVert for Simmons, we'd be running a lineup of Simmons/Lamb/Holiday/Myles/Domas. It would be interesting for sure, tripling down on the bigs concept before we've gotten the two bigs right. I just don't see it as something the team would be looking to do. Especially considering Rick wants everyone to at least try to shoot (McConnell took three 3s last game).

To me, it's not about maximizing fit for this season. It's about getting a talent like Simmons for a fairly cheap price and then figuring it out later. To me, guards like Brogdon/Levert are very replaceable

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Simmons to the Cavs makes no sense from a fit perspective either so motivation can only be to get Simmons cheap & sort things out later

Minnesota & Spurs I can understand purely from the players angle

[basketballwacko2]

Not sure I understand the value for the Pacers. I guess they feel the team has peaked.

3rd team is definitely needed here though -

Love the idea of getting Charlotte involved, just not sure where else they can add value?

Charlotte out: Hayward, ????
Charlotte in: Lamb, Sabonis

Philly out: Maxey, Simmons
Philly in: Levert, Brogdon, Picks for Charlotte?

Indiana out: Sabonis, Levert, Lamb, Brogdan
Indiana In: Simmons, Hayward, Maxey

No way would I trade Sabonis for Hayward. Sabonis is 6 years younger and Hayward is overpaid and injury prone. I wouldn't take him even with 2 #1 picks for Sabonis.

Again, saying that this amounts to Sabonis for Hayward is an over simplified version of what I actually proposed.

The other fans were saying it would cost LeVert, Brogdan, 2 1sts for Simmons.

The scenario I proposed amounts to Indiana getting Maxey, Hayward, and keeping their 1st round picks, while instead giving up Sabonis.

I have no issues with you saying you wouldn't do that, but saying that this is Hayward for Sabonis is just wrong.

It's really what it comes down to the pacers give up Sabonis and end up with Hayward and some parts. I have Sabonis as the best player in the trade, when you consider the contract he's on and his production.

[WICKED17]

I believe this trade is very solid and fits all teams involved. 2 separate trades, 2nd trade to be agreed to publicly by 76er FO and ownership. 2nd trade transaction done Dec 15

CHI.. OKC.. S.A

C. White TBJ, 22 Por 1st, 23 Den 2nd, cash
D. White, Okc top 55

TPE, top 55
TBJ, cash

D. White
C. White, 22 Por 1st, 23 Den 2nd, 9.35M TPE

Why? Chi adjusts for Simmons trade
OKC returns TBJ for free Monetarily
S.A. Gets young scorer with 2 yrs on rookie deal, picks, TPE. Too good to pass up.



Trade 2, Dec. 15th Chi- PHI

Derozan, D. White, Ayo Dosunmu, 22, 24, 26 swaps unprotected, 27 1st unprotected, 2nds
SImmons, V. min

Why? Chi transforms into top 3 in East next yr. While becoming a likely lotto pick this yr. as they sit both DDR, White till Dec15, which is great for Phi as they have the swap rights. Simmons is a perfect fit as bulls have Vucevic and play four out, all four being, 38, 40, 40, 42 3 pt respectively. Builds around young core of LaVine, Simmons, Ball, Williams, long term. Bulls need more playmaking and D, Simmons provides that in spades.

Why? Phi returns high end player profile they desperately need (iso scorer, distributed, high TS%) for win now. While returning another much need starter fit in D. White, who’s plus D and overall very solid play, allows Curry to start while DW takes defensive match up. Along with last drafts 38 pick whom many experts projected as late first player. So 3 players, 3 unprotected swaps, unprotected 1st, future 2nd(s)

Phi lineup….
Curry Shake (Maxey, trade? ).
White Thybulle.
Derozen Green. Korkmaz
Harris.
Embid. Drummond.

[Crazy-Canuck]

Hayward, Bouknight, unprotected 2023 for Simmons

Hornets

Ball
Rozier
Oubre
Simmons
Plumlee

Simmons gets surrounded by shooters and allows him to play as the primary guy in the paint. Being away from a media mecca is probably best for his fragile ego.

6ers

maxey
Curry
Hayward
Harris
Embiid

THey get a wing that can create his own shot, move the ball, and shoot. Hayward helps them win now. Bouknight becomes part of their backcourt of the the future with maxey.

[BlazersBroncos]

Hayward, Bouknight, unprotected 2023 for Simmons

Hornets

Ball
Rozier
Oubre
Simmons
Plumlee

Simmons gets surrounded by shooters and allows him to play as the primary guy in the paint. Being away from a media mecca is probably best for his fragile ego.

6ers

maxey
Curry
Hayward
Harris
Embiid

THey get a wing that can create his own shot, move the ball, and shoot. Hayward helps them win now. Bouknight becomes part of their backcourt of the the future with maxey.

Simmons and Ball both have open court shot creation as their best attributes. IDK how having them on the same team would be a good idea. Its one of the few places where I really dont like the fit for Ben. Honestly, I think you want that ball in Ball's hands over Ben's, I think he is just going to be pretty easily better and more dangerous than Simmons very soon if not already.

[Ballerhogger]

The Philadelphia 76ers and Portland Trail Blazers have engaged on trade discussions for Ben Simmons. The talks centered around a swap of Simmons for C.J. McCollum, but died due to Philadelphia seeking multiple first round picks. Daryl Morey reportedly asked for three first round picks and pick swaps in the intervening years, in addition to McCollum.

3? Talk about being greedy. Why 3?