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Post#181 » by bondom34 » Sat Aug 28, 2021 8:44 pm

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Post#183 » by babyjax13 » Sat Aug 28, 2021 9:05 pm

Rondo is better than Schroder for what the Lakers need, and they are going to get him for 1/10th the price Dennis was demanding.
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Post#184 » by pacers33granger » Sat Aug 28, 2021 9:13 pm

I know Rondo worked out well 2 years ago for LA, but I don't get it. The only PG on the roster right now is Russ, and you want his backup to be one of the worst shooting guards in the league?
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Post#185 » by pacers33granger » Sat Aug 28, 2021 9:30 pm

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If LA shifted from Svi to Rondo, that's a bad move.
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Post#186 » by kobe_vs_jordan » Sat Aug 28, 2021 9:44 pm

pacers33granger wrote:I know Rondo worked out well 2 years ago for LA, but I don't get it. The only PG on the roster right now is Russ, and you want his backup to be one of the worst shooting guards in the league?

Nunn? Rondo been an average shooting PG for like the last six seasons now.
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Post#187 » by kobe_vs_jordan » Sat Aug 28, 2021 9:46 pm

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If LA shifted from Svi to Rondo, that's a bad move.

Don't think Svi has much impact win now player. More of a reclamation project and hope he learns to shoot.
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Post#188 » by chrbal » Sat Aug 28, 2021 10:52 pm

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If LA shifted from Svi to Rondo, that's a bad move.


Not really. Rondo is going to be a 3rd string player, and had they signed Svi he would have been as well.
I’d rather take my chances with a veteran like rondo in that role than hoping svi isn’t useless that night.
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Post#189 » by pacers33granger » Sat Aug 28, 2021 11:40 pm

kobe_vs_jordan wrote:Don't think Svi has much impact win now player. More of a reclamation project and hope he learns to shoot.


Rondo isn't an impact player at this point either though and LA has a ton of vets at this point. LA needs youth.

kobe_vs_jordan wrote:Nunn? Rondo been an average shooting PG for like the last six seasons now.


Nunn isnt a PG and Rondo is a trash shooter.

chrbal wrote:Not really. Rondo is going to be a 3rd string player, and had they signed Svi he would have been as well.
I’d rather take my chances with a veteran like rondo in that role than hoping svi isn’t useless that night.


LA needs shooting. I'd rather take the chance that Svi provides something over Rondo. The idea that Rondo would be reliable is laughable.
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Post#190 » by kobe_vs_jordan » Sun Aug 29, 2021 1:46 am

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kobe_vs_jordan wrote:Don't think Svi has much impact win now player. More of a reclamation project and hope he learns to shoot.


Rondo isn't an impact player at this point either though and LA has a ton of vets at this point. LA needs youth.

kobe_vs_jordan wrote:Nunn? Rondo been an average shooting PG for like the last six seasons now.


Nunn isnt a PG and Rondo is a trash shooter.

chrbal wrote:Not really. Rondo is going to be a 3rd string player, and had they signed Svi he would have been as well.
I’d rather take my chances with a veteran like rondo in that role than hoping svi isn’t useless that night.


LA needs shooting. I'd rather take the chance that Svi provides something over Rondo. The idea that Rondo would be reliable is laughable.

Has Svi shown he a shooter outside of reputation? Is there an Idea Svi a reliable NBA player? Monk and THT better young players that play the same position
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Post#191 » by pacers33granger » Sun Aug 29, 2021 2:05 am

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kobe_vs_jordan wrote:Don't think Svi has much impact win now player. More of a reclamation project and hope he learns to shoot.


Rondo isn't an impact player at this point either though and LA has a ton of vets at this point. LA needs youth.

kobe_vs_jordan wrote:Nunn? Rondo been an average shooting PG for like the last six seasons now.


Nunn isnt a PG and Rondo is a trash shooter.

chrbal wrote:Not really. Rondo is going to be a 3rd string player, and had they signed Svi he would have been as well.
I’d rather take my chances with a veteran like rondo in that role than hoping svi isn’t useless that night.


LA needs shooting. I'd rather take the chance that Svi provides something over Rondo. The idea that Rondo would be reliable is laughable.

Has Svi shown he a shooter outside of reputation? Is there an Idea Svi a reliable NBA player? Monk and THT better young players that play the same position


Not the point. Is Rondo a reliable NBA player at this point? It's not about Svi. It's about wasting a spot on Rondo. Besides, Svi has shown the ability to hit a three.
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Post#192 » by Texas Chuck » Sun Aug 29, 2021 2:14 am

Rondo can make 3's. When he's wide open and has all day. Which means he adds no value as a spacer because if your offense wants to generate Rondo 3's when you employ Lebron and AD, they are going to gladly allow that and have Rondo's man available to sag.

Now Svi isn't really an NBA player. So I'd probably choose Rondo over Svi, but I'd have seen if JJ Redick was willing to play on the West Coast to play with Lebron and AD. He can play every 3rd game or at end of quarter spots, help you close out wins with his FT shooting, etc. Or see if Milsap would take the min to play for them. Gives them a guy who can play limited regular season minutes occasionally ramping up on nights Lebron or AD is out, and then give you 18-20 really smart veteran minutes in the playoffs.
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Post#193 » by pacers33granger » Sun Aug 29, 2021 2:18 am

Texas Chuck wrote:Rondo can make 3's. When he's wide open and has all day. Which means he adds no value as a spacer because if your offense wants to generate Rondo 3's when you employ Lebron and AD, they are going to gladly allow that and have Rondo's man available to sag.

Now Svi isn't really an NBA player. So I'd probably choose Rondo over Svi, but I'd have seen if JJ Redick was willing to play on the West Coast to play with Lebron and AD. He can play every 3rd game or at end of quarter spots, help you close out wins with his FT shooting, etc. Or see if Milsap would take the min to play for them. Gives them a guy who can play limited regular season minutes occasionally ramping up on nights Lebron or AD is out, and then give you 18-20 really smart veteran minutes in the playoffs.


Rondo isn't really an NBA player at this point though. He's garbage on the court and has potential to be garbage in the lockeroom room. Svi isn't an NBA player either, but maybe he offers something if you develop him alongside the litany of vets LA already has.

Not stumping for Svi, but they're potentially signing a vet who brings nothing. So why not a young guy who brings nothing but may be able to at some point in the season?

I'd have rather keep the roster spot open.
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Post#194 » by kobe_vs_jordan » Sun Aug 29, 2021 2:21 am

pacers33granger wrote:
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Rondo isn't an impact player at this point either though and LA has a ton of vets at this point. LA needs youth.



Nunn isnt a PG and Rondo is a trash shooter.



LA needs shooting. I'd rather take the chance that Svi provides something over Rondo. The idea that Rondo would be reliable is laughable.

Has Svi shown he a shooter outside of reputation? Is there an Idea Svi a reliable NBA player? Monk and THT better young players that play the same position


Not the point. Is Rondo a reliable NBA player at this point? It's not about Svi. It's about wasting a spot on Rondo. Besides, Svi has shown the ability to hit a three.

Has he shown a can hit the three? Rondo shot a better clip than him last season. Rondo isn't great but we comparing somebody who is a fringe NBA type of player so far. Rather have rondo IQ and ability read schemes on the bench waving a towel .
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Post#195 » by Texas Chuck » Sun Aug 29, 2021 2:22 am

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Texas Chuck wrote:Rondo can make 3's. When he's wide open and has all day. Which means he adds no value as a spacer because if your offense wants to generate Rondo 3's when you employ Lebron and AD, they are going to gladly allow that and have Rondo's man available to sag.

Now Svi isn't really an NBA player. So I'd probably choose Rondo over Svi, but I'd have seen if JJ Redick was willing to play on the West Coast to play with Lebron and AD. He can play every 3rd game or at end of quarter spots, help you close out wins with his FT shooting, etc. Or see if Milsap would take the min to play for them. Gives them a guy who can play limited regular season minutes occasionally ramping up on nights Lebron or AD is out, and then give you 18-20 really smart veteran minutes in the playoffs.


Rondo isn't really an NBA player at this point though. He's garbage on the court and has potential to be garbage in the lockeroom room. Svi isn't an NBA player either, but maybe he offers something if you develop him alongside the litany of vets LA already has.

Not stumping for Svi, but they're potentially signing a vet who brings nothing. So why not a young guy who brings nothing but may be able to at some point in the season?

I'd have rather keep the roster spot open.


I'd also choose neither. But Rondo knows how to play and does still do some things well. In a pinch you can put him in a playoff game and he will give you something-- as long as Luka isn't on the other side. :wink: If I want just a shooter, like I said, give me a vet who won't be scared. I could care less about developing a guy especially as I still have some young perimeter players on the roster as is. But I'm trying to win while I still have Lebron playing at a high level.
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Post#196 » by HornetJail » Sun Aug 29, 2021 2:27 am

Svi doesn't do anything that Monk, Ellington, Nunn, and Bazemore can't do. Rondo can at least kinda run an offense still.
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Post#197 » by pacers33granger » Sun Aug 29, 2021 2:29 am

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kobe_vs_jordan wrote:Has Svi shown he a shooter outside of reputation? Is there an Idea Svi a reliable NBA player? Monk and THT better young players that play the same position


Not the point. Is Rondo a reliable NBA player at this point? It's not about Svi. It's about wasting a spot on Rondo. Besides, Svi has shown the ability to hit a three.

Has he shown a can hit the three? Rondo shot a better clip than him last season. Rondo isn't great but we comparing somebody who is a fringe NBA type of player so far. Rather have rondo IQ and ability read schemes on the bench waving a towel .


There's a big difference between 4.8 a game and 2. There's also a big difference between a guy whose known as a shooter and one teams leave more than wide open. Rondo kills spacing. Svi at least might help. Like I said, I'd prefer the open spot, but Svi at least offers some upside. Rondo is useless, which is why he got limited run during the playoffs when LAC was begging for a reliable PG outside of Jackson.

Bottom line - Rondo is a waste of a roster spot. Svi probably is too, but at least offers some semblance of improvement alongside a bunch of vets already on the roster.
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Post#198 » by pacers33granger » Sun Aug 29, 2021 2:30 am

Texas Chuck wrote:
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Texas Chuck wrote:Rondo can make 3's. When he's wide open and has all day. Which means he adds no value as a spacer because if your offense wants to generate Rondo 3's when you employ Lebron and AD, they are going to gladly allow that and have Rondo's man available to sag.

Now Svi isn't really an NBA player. So I'd probably choose Rondo over Svi, but I'd have seen if JJ Redick was willing to play on the West Coast to play with Lebron and AD. He can play every 3rd game or at end of quarter spots, help you close out wins with his FT shooting, etc. Or see if Milsap would take the min to play for them. Gives them a guy who can play limited regular season minutes occasionally ramping up on nights Lebron or AD is out, and then give you 18-20 really smart veteran minutes in the playoffs.


Rondo isn't really an NBA player at this point though. He's garbage on the court and has potential to be garbage in the lockeroom room. Svi isn't an NBA player either, but maybe he offers something if you develop him alongside the litany of vets LA already has.

Not stumping for Svi, but they're potentially signing a vet who brings nothing. So why not a young guy who brings nothing but may be able to at some point in the season?

I'd have rather keep the roster spot open.


I'd also choose neither. But Rondo knows how to play and does still do some things well. In a pinch you can put him in a playoff game and he will give you something-- as long as Luka isn't on the other side. :wink: If I want just a shooter, like I said, give me a vet who won't be scared. I could care less about developing a guy especially as I still have some young perimeter players on the roster as is. But I'm trying to win while I still have Lebron playing at a high level.


Where is the evidence that Rondo can provide anything at this point? He does not contribute to winning and stifles spacing that is already iffy with LA's current bench.
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Post#199 » by Texas Chuck » Sun Aug 29, 2021 2:37 am

pacers33granger wrote:Where is the evidence that Rondo can provide anything at this point? He does not contribute to winning and stifles spacing that is already iffy with LA's current bench.


He can run an offense and create good looks for teammates. Still has great vision. Again I'm not trying to sell Rondo as good. I don't think he's good. But if I needed to steal 5 minutes in a playoff game I would choose him over Svi for sure.

But let me stress again I would have chosen to give a roster spot to neither of these players. I mean even just bring back Wes Matthews. He looked pretty washed last year, but again he can make a shot, he will at least try and defend, and he's a great locker room guy. Or if you believe you have to have a PG, bring back Quinn Cook or isn't Mike James still free? Heck give IT a camp invite or give Dennis Smith a roster spot and tell him to attach himself to Russell Westbrook.
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Post#200 » by pacers33granger » Sun Aug 29, 2021 2:39 am

KEMBAtheMETEOR wrote:Svi doesn't do anything that Monk, Ellington, Nunn, and Bazemore can't do. Rondo can at least kinda run an offense still.


I don't see this at all. He was only playable during LA's title run because he happened to hit the shots teams left him wide open on. Otherwise, he's been the guy the Hawks ended up getting. A guy who hurts spacing, pounds the ball, and doesn't contribute to a modern offense at all.

My issue with the pivoting from Svi thing is more the fact that LA has a ton of vets at this point and needs young legs who can maybe evolve during the season. This seems like gambling on yet another turn back the clock performance from a guy who doesn't fit the modern NBA.

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