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Post#181 » by BlazersBroncos » Tue Jan 18, 2022 6:08 pm

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BlazersBroncos wrote:Think this Turner news makes him a great target for OKC. They can move some picks for him then shut him down to keep the tank rolling. Something like:

Favors + Bazley or Maledon + 2022 LAC FRP (Top-5 protected) + 2023 DEN FRP for Turner + Vet Min Guy


Dont think Turner will fetch a lotto pick anymore, let alone a second pick on top. Stress reaction in big men can be a lingering issue


Wasnt aware of that.

Make it:

Favors + Bazley or Maledon + 2022 PHX FRP + 2023 DEN FRP for Turner + Vet Min Guy

I think its still worth the gamble of moving 2 picks.
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Post#182 » by HornetJail » Tue Jan 18, 2022 6:21 pm

assuming doctors don't think it's a long-term issue for his career, I'm not backing down from offering PJ+Plumlee+future pick. This is our chance to acquire good starting C without breaking the bank and I'd take the risk, like ATL did when Capela was hurt in Houston.
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Post#183 » by MoneyTalks41890 » Tue Jan 18, 2022 6:25 pm

BlazersBroncos wrote:
Godaddycurse wrote:
BlazersBroncos wrote:Think this Turner news makes him a great target for OKC. They can move some picks for him then shut him down to keep the tank rolling. Something like:

Favors + Bazley or Maledon + 2022 LAC FRP (Top-5 protected) + 2023 DEN FRP for Turner + Vet Min Guy


Dont think Turner will fetch a lotto pick anymore, let alone a second pick on top. Stress reaction in big men can be a lingering issue


Wasnt aware of that.

Make it:

Favors + Bazley or Maledon + 2022 PHX FRP + 2023 DEN FRP for Turner + Vet Min Guy

I think its still worth the gamble of moving 2 picks.


This is the issue now for the Pacers. I don't think they should sell this low. This is effectively two late firsts, bad salary, and a flier on a meh prospect. If this is what gets offered, then they should sit tight and see if they can get him back in shape to showcase next year. Maybe I still like him too much and OKC shouldn't offer that LAC pick, but the shooting/shotblocking combo is hard to find.
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Post#184 » by Crymson » Tue Jan 18, 2022 6:32 pm

babyjax13 wrote:If I could trade the entire Jazz roster outside of Gobert+Mitchell+O'neale+Hughes+Paschal for expiring contracts + 2 1sts, I'd do it. It's a bad free agency class, but you'd have cap space and picks to make a deal + be able to sign an impact player with what's left. I'm just so done watching us get murdered because we have only one power forward who can rebound (Gay), no backup center with Whiteside out (and he's obviously inconsistent), and cheese-cloth perimeter defense.


Based on the projected cap, and taking into account the cap holds of Hughes and Paschall, the Jazz would be left with about $37 million with which to rebuild the rest of the roster. Because they'd be operating as a below-the-cap team, they'd also need to renounce the MLE and BAE. They'd be able to do very little, and the only impact players who will be available are Beal, Kyrie, and Harden---none of whom, I'd imagine, are likely to join the Jazz, and all of whom will be eligible for max contracts which would pay $41 million in the first year anyway.

Aside from those three, the upcoming unrestricted free-agency class is very bare.
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Post#185 » by Scoot McGroot » Tue Jan 18, 2022 6:45 pm

amcoolio wrote:Indiana waited too long, don't think you can trade him now, the offers won't be there. Turner's injury history is also troubling. Seems he has a good 40 games in him every year.


He’s played 431 of 517 possible games in his career, or 83% of his possible games. On an average 82 game season, this would average to 68 games. This all counts his rookie year as he earned his way into the league during the Jim O’Brien years.
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Post#186 » by Scoot McGroot » Tue Jan 18, 2022 6:50 pm

Godaddycurse wrote:
BlazersBroncos wrote:Think this Turner news makes him a great target for OKC. They can move some picks for him then shut him down to keep the tank rolling. Something like:

Favors + Bazley or Maledon + 2022 LAC FRP (Top-5 protected) + 2023 DEN FRP for Turner + Vet Min Guy


Dont think Turner will fetch a lotto pick anymore, let alone a second pick on top. Stress reaction in big men can be a lingering issue


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I think this means he’s a Pacer to the draft and Sabonis may get moved. Or they hold onto both to the draft and hold Turner out all year.
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Post#187 » by BlazersBroncos » Tue Jan 18, 2022 6:51 pm

MoneyTalks41890 wrote:
BlazersBroncos wrote:
Godaddycurse wrote:
Dont think Turner will fetch a lotto pick anymore, let alone a second pick on top. Stress reaction in big men can be a lingering issue


Wasnt aware of that.

Make it:

Favors + Bazley or Maledon + 2022 PHX FRP + 2023 DEN FRP for Turner + Vet Min Guy

I think its still worth the gamble of moving 2 picks.


This is the issue now for the Pacers. I don't think they should sell this low. This is effectively two late firsts, bad salary, and a flier on a meh prospect. If this is what gets offered, then they should sit tight and see if they can get him back in shape to showcase next year. Maybe I still like him too much and OKC shouldn't offer that LAC pick, but the shooting/shotblocking combo is hard to find.


Ya, I would still include that LAC FRP personally. I love his fit in OKC, and he is just young enough to fit a long term role IMO.
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Post#188 » by babyjax13 » Tue Jan 18, 2022 7:11 pm

Crymson wrote:
babyjax13 wrote:If I could trade the entire Jazz roster outside of Gobert+Mitchell+O'neale+Hughes+Paschal for expiring contracts + 2 1sts, I'd do it. It's a bad free agency class, but you'd have cap space and picks to make a deal + be able to sign an impact player with what's left. I'm just so done watching us get murdered because we have only one power forward who can rebound (Gay), no backup center with Whiteside out (and he's obviously inconsistent), and cheese-cloth perimeter defense.


Based on the projected cap, and taking into account the cap holds of Hughes and Paschall, the Jazz would be left with about $37 million with which to rebuild the rest of the roster. Because they'd be operating as a below-the-cap team, they'd also need to renounce the MLE and BAE. They'd be able to do very little, and the only impact players who will be available are Beal, Kyrie, and Harden---none of whom, I'd imagine, are likely to join the Jazz, and all of whom will be eligible for max contracts which would pay $41 million in the first year anyway.

Aside from those three, the upcoming unrestricted free-agency class is very bare.


I think $37 million is enough to rebuild the roster. We aren't getting Beal, Kyrie, or Harden ... but in 2022 I'd target TJ Warren, Robert Covington, JaMychal Green, Bruce Brown, Bobby Portis, Jordan Nwora, Delon Wright, Gorgui Dieng, and Dorian Finney-Smith. Obviously, you can't get all of them, but there is enough there to put together a credible team. Then we would also have picks to trade for a difference-maker. e.g.

Draft day: 2 picks for Malcolm Brogdon
Sign Warren

That probably takes up the cap, but then you get the room exception, which we'd need to use on a power forward, possibly split between two players:
Taurean Prince? Not my favorite but he'd fit...
Delon Wright

Then minimums:
Gorgui Dieng
Tony Snell

Then resign:
Eric Paschall
Elijah Hughes

Rudy Gobert/Gorgui Dieng
Royce O'neale/Taurean Prince/Eric Paschall
TJ Warren/Royce O'neale/Tony Snell
Malcolm Brogdon/Elijah Hughes
Donovan Mitchell/Delon Wright

I think that has us ducking the tax for a team with similar upside to what we have now, but it's younger and bigger. Throw in an MLE power forward the next season + a BAE player and it starts to look a lot better.
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Post#189 » by Scoot McGroot » Tue Jan 18, 2022 10:29 pm

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Post#190 » by Texas Chuck » Tue Jan 18, 2022 10:50 pm

Dallas loves wasting roster spots on centers. Brown Boban Chriss. It's just not great.


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Post#191 » by HornetJail » Tue Jan 18, 2022 10:55 pm

Texas Chuck wrote:Dallas loves wasting roster spots on centers. Brown Boban Chriss. It's just not great.


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hey, could be worse, at least some of your centers play

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Post#192 » by zimpy27 » Tue Jan 18, 2022 10:57 pm

Center position is just so weird in the league now. I don't know if half the teams really know what to do with these guys anymore.
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Post#193 » by BullyKing » Wed Jan 19, 2022 1:16 am

Considering the source, needs to be taken with a tremendous grain of salt but...

Jake Fischer wrote:The Pistons' package of Grant, Saddiq Bey, Kelly Olynyk and a first-round pick, for example, was not met with much enthusiasm by Philadelphia brass, league sources told B/R.


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Post#194 » by kingcong95 » Wed Jan 19, 2022 1:24 am

No way all of that can be true, because of the lengthy protections on the Pistons' first.
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Post#195 » by NYG » Wed Jan 19, 2022 1:28 am

I bet Simmons and Turner don't get traded. I think barring a surprise, we're going to see a lot of activity, but meh type of deals. Jerami Grant, Christian Wood, etc. headlining a few deals then some bench moves, cap moves and overall roster balancing type deals.
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Post#196 » by NYG » Wed Jan 19, 2022 1:30 am

Call me crazy, but I think Jerami Grant is going to get a great return and will probably end up being the biggest name traded in a dry market.
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Post#197 » by K_chile22 » Wed Jan 19, 2022 1:45 am

kingcong95 wrote:No way all of that can be true, because of the lengthy protections on the Pistons' first.
Plenty of ways around that. First available language, reverse protections, and just seeing if OKC is down to lower protections (they should be so that they guarantee a pick)
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Post#198 » by Scoot McGroot » Wed Jan 19, 2022 1:59 am

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kingcong95 wrote:No way all of that can be true, because of the lengthy protections on the Pistons' first.
Plenty of ways around that. First available language, reverse protections, and just seeing if OKC is down to lower protections (they should be so that they guarantee a pick)


Sure, but even then, Philly may have not loved that offer because, in theory, it's possible that pick may not ever convey to Philly (because it may not ever convey to OKC, or may convey to late to be able to convey another pick to Philly).

I still think that Grant, Bey, Olynyk would be a pretty competitive offer for Simmons, but it's not a home run offer if there's no 1st coming along. A guaranteed 1st and Bey (or Grant) could be a great start to a deal for a star, along with Maxey or Thybulle, or something.
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Post#199 » by Texas Chuck » Wed Jan 19, 2022 3:50 am

So Campazzo/Bol(to 3rd team) for Schroder feels like a clear basis for a deal that should happen. But Denver can only trade their 24 2nd(and half of their 23 2nd but the half unlikely to convey). And is that enough?
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Post#200 » by K_chile22 » Wed Jan 19, 2022 4:24 am

Texas Chuck wrote:So Campazzo/Bol(to 3rd team) for Schroder feels like a clear basis for a deal that should happen. But Denver can only trade their 24 2nd(and half of their 23 2nd but the half unlikely to convey). And is that enough?
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