Shams: Jrue for Simons

[BlazersBroncos]

Another thing of note - a playoff push for PDX makes extra sense when you look at their pick obligations.

PDX owes a LP FRP to CHI until 2028. This mucks up the gears on the FRP swap that PDX is owned from MIL. Its pretty confusing - but basically in regards to the 2028 MIL FRP Swap that PDX owns -

if the Portland pick (To CHI) is not conveyable, then Milwaukee's obligation to Portland will be extinguished and Washington will instead have the right to swap for the Milwaukee pic.

So the sooner PDX can convert that owed FRP to CHI the sooner we can not worry about MIL having the, say, #2 pick in the draft but PDX having, say, the 22 pick in the draft but NOT being able to do a swap w/ MIL due to the CHI obligation not being extinguished.

[HartfordWhalers]

Including contracts I like Jrue better than Simons, probably more like by 4 seconds. I get the reason for Boston, but I think I would need to see Simons flipped next to appreciate it fully.
For Portland, I think the direction is wrong, but if you are going this direction, the value is solid and you kn ow, you can always flip Jrue at the trade deadline and try to go 0-30 to finish the season.

Put me down as meh/inc on the whole deal.

[JMAC3]

Is it possible Simons gets flipped to Dallas for Gafford now? Seems like that would help both teams.

[Djh7475]

Is it possible Simons gets flipped to Dallas for Gafford now? Seems like that would help both teams.

Jrue made a lot more sense to the Mavs since they didn’t really need more offense and would use him in the same role the Celtics did which is probably where he’s best suited over the next few years. Simons and Kyrie are a terrible fit.

[Texas Chuck]

Is it possible Simons gets flipped to Dallas for Gafford now? Seems like that would help both teams.

Jrue made a lot more sense to the Mavs since they didn’t really need more offense and would use him in the same role the Celtics did which is probably where he’s best suited over the next few years. Simons and Kyrie are a terrible fit.

Dallas absolutely needs more offense. Who is creating shots until Kyrie is back? And Simons fits exactly because he's a one year guy. He would help get Dallas through the season until Kyrie is back then transition to a classic 6th man offensive punch from the bench.

But right now the best guys at creating shots are Marshall and Brandon Williams and maybe Cooper Flagg. That's about as bad as it gets in the league.

If Kyrie was missing 20 games okay, you probably just hope your hole isn't too deep. But missing 50+? Your hole is likely to be too deep if you don't upgrade the offense in some way.

[JMAC3]

Is it possible Simons gets flipped to Dallas for Gafford now? Seems like that would help both teams.

Jrue made a lot more sense to the Mavs since they didn’t really need more offense and would use him in the same role the Celtics did which is probably where he’s best suited over the next few years. Simons and Kyrie are a terrible fit.

I am just saying as a 1 yr rental while Kyrie is out. Are we sure Dallas doesn't need more offense?

[Djh7475]

Is it possible Simons gets flipped to Dallas for Gafford now? Seems like that would help both teams.

Jrue made a lot more sense to the Mavs since they didn’t really need more offense and would use him in the same role the Celtics did which is probably where he’s best suited over the next few years. Simons and Kyrie are a terrible fit.

Dallas absolutely needs more offense. Who is creating shots until Kyrie is back? And Simons fits exactly because he's a one year guy. He would help get Dallas through the season until Kyrie is back then transition to a classic 6th man offensive punch from the bench.

But right now the best guys at creating shots are Marshall and Brandon Williams and maybe Cooper Flagg. That's about as bad as it gets in the league.

If Kyrie was missing 20 games okay, you probably just hope your hole isn't too deep. But missing 50+? Your hole is likely to be too deep if you don't upgrade the offense in some way.

Yeah I thought Kyrie was going to be back in late November/December, but it looks like they’re preparing him for sometime in January. I guess this could make some sense if that’s the case, but Lively/AD are both injury prone so I’d be hesitant to give up Gafford for a player that won’t start when Kyrie is available.

[brackdan70]

So the Blazers traded Jrue to the Celtics for damaged goods and two future firsts, the Celtics overpaid him, and then returned him for a couple of seconds and an expiring.

The Celtics got a chip out of it so that part is a win. No idea what the Blazers are doing unless they've already made a decision on paying Sharpe and possibly Scoot. Deni is going to get paid.

Not a bad rental deal for both teams I guess.

[zaz102]

Portland respectfully decli... wait a sec!

[djFan71]

Is it possible Simons gets flipped to Dallas for Gafford now? Seems like that would help both teams.

Jrue made a lot more sense to the Mavs since they didn’t really need more offense and would use him in the same role the Celtics did which is probably where he’s best suited over the next few years. Simons and Kyrie are a terrible fit.

Dallas absolutely needs more offense. Who is creating shots until Kyrie is back? And Simons fits exactly because he's a one year guy. He would help get Dallas through the season until Kyrie is back then transition to a classic 6th man offensive punch from the bench.

But right now the best guys at creating shots are Marshall and Brandon Williams and maybe Cooper Flagg. That's about as bad as it gets in the league.

If Kyrie was missing 20 games okay, you probably just hope your hole isn't too deep. But missing 50+? Your hole is likely to be too deep if you don't upgrade the offense in some way.

I'm coming around to just keeping Anfernee, but what were the packages kicked around for him for DAL?

Klay/Naji/OMP? Would you go PJ or Gafford with Naji/Hardy?

[Texas Chuck]

Jrue made a lot more sense to the Mavs since they didn’t really need more offense and would use him in the same role the Celtics did which is probably where he’s best suited over the next few years. Simons and Kyrie are a terrible fit.

Dallas absolutely needs more offense. Who is creating shots until Kyrie is back? And Simons fits exactly because he's a one year guy. He would help get Dallas through the season until Kyrie is back then transition to a classic 6th man offensive punch from the bench.

But right now the best guys at creating shots are Marshall and Brandon Williams and maybe Cooper Flagg. That's about as bad as it gets in the league.

If Kyrie was missing 20 games okay, you probably just hope your hole isn't too deep. But missing 50+? Your hole is likely to be too deep if you don't upgrade the offense in some way.

I'm coming around to just keeping Anfernee, but what were the packages kicked around for him for DAL?

Klay/Naji/OMP? Would you go PJ or Gafford with Naji/Hardy?

I can't remember but I'm sure jayjaysee had multiple intelligent versions of it. Probably did have a 3rd team since Portland wouldn't have really valued Gafford or Washington.

I would consider something around PJ or Gafford for him though, sure.

[djFan71]

Dallas absolutely needs more offense. Who is creating shots until Kyrie is back? And Simons fits exactly because he's a one year guy. He would help get Dallas through the season until Kyrie is back then transition to a classic 6th man offensive punch from the bench.

But right now the best guys at creating shots are Marshall and Brandon Williams and maybe Cooper Flagg. That's about as bad as it gets in the league.

If Kyrie was missing 20 games okay, you probably just hope your hole isn't too deep. But missing 50+? Your hole is likely to be too deep if you don't upgrade the offense in some way.

I'm coming around to just keeping Anfernee, but what were the packages kicked around for him for DAL?

Klay/Naji/OMP? Would you go PJ or Gafford with Naji/Hardy?

I can't remember but I'm sure jayjaysee had multiple intelligent versions of it. Probably did have a 3rd team since Portland wouldn't have really valued Gafford or Washington.

I would consider something around PJ or Gafford for him though, sure.

I'm not sure i have it in me to start on those variations yet, so you're safe for a bit.
But, after draft / potential KP trade, all bets are off.

[jayjaysee]

Klay/Naji/OMP?

Dallas owns two shiny seconds to kick in to this one..

(Any idea requires a third team since both teams over first apron)

I do think it would probably need to be PJ. But if it’s PJ, I’d hope Dallas makes Boston (or the third team) take Klay. Would like to keep Naji if you’re trading PJ for a guard.

There’s other matching options though..

I think if PJ doesn’t extend (and he shouldn’t at the number Dallas can offer) he probably should be traded. Theres no reason to let him it UFA if the team is not trading AD. So I’m more open to trading PJ, and knocking his value due to being an expiring, than most here..

[djFan71]

Klay/Naji/OMP?

Dallas owns two shiny seconds to kick in to this one..

(Any idea requires a third team since both teams over first apron)

I do think it would probably need to be PJ. But if it’s PJ, I’d hope Dallas makes Boston (or the third team) take Klay. Would like to keep Naji if you’re trading PJ for a guard.

There’s other matching options though..

I think if PJ doesn’t extend (and he shouldn’t at the number Dallas can offer) he probably should be traded. Theres no reason to let him it UFA if the team is not trading AD. So I’m more open to trading PJ, and knocking his value due to being an expiring, than most here..

For BOS, it's dependent on the KP deal. If we still need to save after that, or we get a guard, or if it doesn't happen, then PJ would be nice target. If it's PJ / Martin / OMP I think you could entice a 3rd team fairly easily on Martin/OMP. SAC might even take it for free - a 2nd at most. Klay would probably be a 2nd from both BOS and DAL. I just don't know what team X is for that one.

[jayjaysee]

Klay/Naji/OMP?

Dallas owns two shiny seconds to kick in to this one..

(Any idea requires a third team since both teams over first apron)

I do think it would probably need to be PJ. But if it’s PJ, I’d hope Dallas makes Boston (or the third team) take Klay. Would like to keep Naji if you’re trading PJ for a guard.

There’s other matching options though..

I think if PJ doesn’t extend (and he shouldn’t at the number Dallas can offer) he probably should be traded. Theres no reason to let him it UFA if the team is not trading AD. So I’m more open to trading PJ, and knocking his value due to being an expiring, than most here..

For BOS, it's dependent on the KP deal. If we still need to save after that, or we get a guard, or if it doesn't happen, then PJ would be nice target. If it's PJ / Martin / OMP I think you could entice a 3rd team fairly easily on Martin/OMP. SAC might even take it for free - a 2nd at most. Klay would probably be a 2nd from both BOS and DAL. I just don't know what team X is for that one.

Atlanta makes some sense to me to get paid to pay Klay.. Lakers get brought up a lot, though then you need a fourth team to give Boston salary relief.

But I think I’d just take Klay if I were Boston. Get PJ’s value from a third team, dump whatever other salary is involved. Let next season play out however it does and then retool after adding a nice draft pick and saving 100 million. Klay’s contract might be useful next offseason realistically.

[djFan71]

Dallas owns two shiny seconds to kick in to this one..

(Any idea requires a third team since both teams over first apron)

I do think it would probably need to be PJ. But if it’s PJ, I’d hope Dallas makes Boston (or the third team) take Klay. Would like to keep Naji if you’re trading PJ for a guard.

There’s other matching options though..

I think if PJ doesn’t extend (and he shouldn’t at the number Dallas can offer) he probably should be traded. Theres no reason to let him it UFA if the team is not trading AD. So I’m more open to trading PJ, and knocking his value due to being an expiring, than most here..

For BOS, it's dependent on the KP deal. If we still need to save after that, or we get a guard, or if it doesn't happen, then PJ would be nice target. If it's PJ / Martin / OMP I think you could entice a 3rd team fairly easily on Martin/OMP. SAC might even take it for free - a 2nd at most. Klay would probably be a 2nd from both BOS and DAL. I just don't know what team X is for that one.

Atlanta makes some sense to me to get paid to pay Klay.. Lakers get brought up a lot, though then you need a fourth team to give Boston salary relief.

But I think I’d just take Klay if I were Boston. Get PJ’s value from a third team, dump whatever other salary is involved. Let next season play out however it does and then retool after adding a nice draft pick and saving 100 million. Klay’s contract might be useful next offseason realistically.

All good points, and that's where I was with sending Jrue to DAL and saving a bunch via the 3rd team. But since we didn't save a bunch with Simons, Klay's extra salary vs PJ might mean Kornet or not under the 2nd apron, and PJ is a better positional fit. If it's just a second or something difference, I'm OK with paying it. But, it all just depends so much on if a KP deal happens and what the return / savings is.


EDIT: lol, as I was replying KP trade

[jayjaysee]

For BOS, it's dependent on the KP deal. If we still need to save after that, or we get a guard, or if it doesn't happen, then PJ would be nice target. If it's PJ / Martin / OMP I think you could entice a 3rd team fairly easily on Martin/OMP. SAC might even take it for free - a 2nd at most. Klay would probably be a 2nd from both BOS and DAL. I just don't know what team X is for that one.

Atlanta makes some sense to me to get paid to pay Klay.. Lakers get brought up a lot, though then you need a fourth team to give Boston salary relief.

But I think I’d just take Klay if I were Boston. Get PJ’s value from a third team, dump whatever other salary is involved. Let next season play out however it does and then retool after adding a nice draft pick and saving 100 million. Klay’s contract might be useful next offseason realistically.

All good points, and that's where I was with sending Jrue to DAL and saving a bunch via the 3rd team. But since we didn't save a bunch with Simons, Klay's extra salary vs PJ might mean Kornet or not under the 2nd apron, and PJ is a better positional fit. If it's just a second or something difference, I'm OK with paying it. But, it all just depends so much on if a KP deal happens and what the return / savings is.


EDIT: lol, as I was replying KP trade

Yup. Now Klay + “PJ trade return” for Simons seems to make a lot of sense to me.

Use a second or two to dump the salary from PJ trade (or Niang) to stay under the tax.

[djFan71]

Atlanta makes some sense to me to get paid to pay Klay.. Lakers get brought up a lot, though then you need a fourth team to give Boston salary relief.

But I think I’d just take Klay if I were Boston. Get PJ’s value from a third team, dump whatever other salary is involved. Let next season play out however it does and then retool after adding a nice draft pick and saving 100 million. Klay’s contract might be useful next offseason realistically.

All good points, and that's where I was with sending Jrue to DAL and saving a bunch via the 3rd team. But since we didn't save a bunch with Simons, Klay's extra salary vs PJ might mean Kornet or not under the 2nd apron, and PJ is a better positional fit. If it's just a second or something difference, I'm OK with paying it. But, it all just depends so much on if a KP deal happens and what the return / savings is.


EDIT: lol, as I was replying KP trade

Yup. Now Klay + “PJ trade return” for Simons seems to make a lot of sense to me.

Use a second or two to dump the salary from PJ trade (or Niang) to stay under the tax.

Fairly depressing on court, but could definitely happen. Though, we just used up one of the good dump spots in ATL.
I don't see why Brad wouldn't stay in the tax to keep all Georges for a year...

Rumors BOS is targeting KJ in the lottery, so who the heck knows what's gonna happen at this point. Simons & 28 gets you there, right? Right????

[Wizenheimer]

POR thinks Jrue can help mentor Scoot and Sharpe. .

Chauncey Billups is the coach. He should be able to mentor young guards

[buckboy]

So bad for Portland.