Thoughts in General, Rumors, etc 4.0

[loserX]

Caveat: Nothing about the Ben Simmons situation has been normal.

I'm really hoping some random team nobody is talking about comes out of left field and trades for him with like no warning.

I'm hoping he comes back to play for the Sixers out of the blue, but with a mustache.

As "Ken Kimmons".

[K_chile22]

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[JRoy]

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CJ please

[HartfordWhalers]

I'm really hoping some random team nobody is talking about comes out of left field and trades for him with like no warning.

I'm hoping he comes back to play for the Sixers out of the blue, but with a mustache.

As "Ken Kimmons".

Ken Simmons even would work. Stores still need to sell those Simmons jerseys.

[Resistance]

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CJ please

Does a pairing of McCollum and Trae Young make sense on defense?

[JRoy]

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CJ please

Does a pairing of McCollum and Trae Young make sense on defense?

Pairing CJ with anyone doesn’t make sense.

[HartfordWhalers]

Ouch.

[VCfor3]

Feels like the Simmons situation is weird enough that we could actually see a 3-4 team blockbuster type deal.

Spitballing:
To Boston: Simmons+ (Ex: Brooks or Melton from Memphis, Cam from Atlanta, Hart from NOP)+possible 1st depending on what players are in the deal
To Philly: Dame
To Portland: Maxey+Philly 1sts+4th team's rebuilding package minus whatever Boston gets
To 4th team: Brown

Salary filler would need to be included to balance things and make it legal, but Atlanta, Memphis, and maybe NOP could all offer up a lot of picks and youth that could help jump start a Portland rebuild if they are willing to go in that direction. If they are simply retooling then this would be a lot less interesting to them. Plus they could always just keep Dame until he retires. Still something like this at least feels a little possible when in most any other circumstance a blockbuster like this would be pretty far fetched. I feel like Boston needs real value on top of Simmons in order to even consider moving Brown so don't know what the final package they get would look like.

Could also do a three team deal with Philly, Portland, and Sac with Portland getting Maxey and Hali, Philly getting Dame, Sac getting Simmons, and picks/salary going wherever to balance the whole thing.

[zimpy27]

I really think Boston have a problem with their young depth that's dragging down the team. 76ers on the other hand have more depth that have got them wins with their star talent out.

I think a Simmons for Brown trade makes sense if Philly can provide a new bench to the Celtics in the process and take some of the bad Celtics players.

Something like:
Simmons+Milton+Niang+Reed for Brown+Juancho+Nesmith+Schroeder

Simmons, Milton, Tatum, Horford, RW3 -- Smart, J-Rich, GWIll, Niang, Reed
Curry, Green, Brown, Harris, Embiid -- Schroeder, Maxey, Thybulle, Korkmaz, Drummond

[blind prophet]

I wouldn't mind seeing a poll about what direction the Kings should go, or to try to get done what Vivek wants.

"Vivek Ranadive has given Monte McNair the authority to make any move necessary for the Sacramento Kings to return to the playoffs, sources tell Sam Amick of The Athletic."

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For example.

Complete Rebuild
Partial
Compete now

Everyone could discuss the whys.

Or just simply trying to make the Kings a playoff team in the short term.

[Resistance]

I wouldn't mind seeing a poll about what direction the Kings should go, or to try to get done what Vivek wants.

"Vivek Ranadive has given Monte McNair the authority to make any move necessary for the Sacramento Kings to return to the playoffs, sources tell Sam Amick of The Athletic."

viewtopic.php?f=415&t=2153400

For example.

Complete Rebuild
Partial
Compete now

Everyone could discuss the whys.

Or just simply trying to make the Kings a playoff team in the short term.

I have it as closer to a Complete Rebuild than a Partial Rebuild.

Within the Division

Warriors
Suns
Clippers (If Healthy)

should be relatively good for a few more seasons. OKC and Houston have embraced rebuilds and should start trending Up in a few seasons. Trying to compete now and make the Playoffs will feel good, but isn't enough to overcome the powerhouse teams of the present and eventually at least one of the current Tankers will pass them in the future.

Rather than fight to just make the Playoffs and get bounced by the powerhouse teams, rebuild and develop while the powerhouse teams age and enter a decline.

[blind prophet]

I wouldn't mind seeing a poll about what direction the Kings should go, or to try to get done what Vivek wants.

"Vivek Ranadive has given Monte McNair the authority to make any move necessary for the Sacramento Kings to return to the playoffs, sources tell Sam Amick of The Athletic."

viewtopic.php?f=415&t=2153400

For example.

Complete Rebuild
Partial
Compete now

Everyone could discuss the whys.

Or just simply trying to make the Kings a playoff team in the short term.

I have it as closer to a Complete Rebuild than a Partial Rebuild.

Within the Division

Warriors
Suns
Clippers (If Healthy)

should be relatively good for a few more seasons. OKC and Houston have embraced rebuilds and should start trending Up in a few seasons. Trying to compete now and make the Playoffs will feel good, but isn't enough to overcome the powerhouse teams of the present and eventually at least one of the current Tankers will pass them in the future.

Rather than fight to just make the Playoffs and get bounced by the powerhouse teams, rebuild and develop while the powerhouse teams age and enter a decline.

From the Amick quote unfortunately, It doesn't seem Monte has that choice. Vivek wants to try to win now. I'm going to wager most of the people here think it would be a better choice to tear it down.

[Texas Chuck]

I'm going to wager most of the people here think it would be a better choice to tear it down.

I mean its easier. It's always easier. But looking at that roster what's the move that locks them into the playoffs? Is that player obtainable and at what cost?

But I'd much rather see them take a swing at trying to win rather than tearing down again. It's been nearly 20 years since this team was relevant. Starting over again means another 4-5 years of grd irrelevancy unless they have lotto luck and don't blow the pick.

If they could really turn Fox into Simmons I would start right there. Then I might see if Beal would be willing to take a max in Sacramento if Simmons is in place and go get him too. Now I've got the foundation of something with two all-stars anchoring things to build on.

[Resistance]

I wouldn't mind seeing a poll about what direction the Kings should go, or to try to get done what Vivek wants.

"Vivek Ranadive has given Monte McNair the authority to make any move necessary for the Sacramento Kings to return to the playoffs, sources tell Sam Amick of The Athletic."

viewtopic.php?f=415&t=2153400

For example.

Complete Rebuild
Partial
Compete now

Everyone could discuss the whys.

Or just simply trying to make the Kings a playoff team in the short term.

I have it as closer to a Complete Rebuild than a Partial Rebuild.

Within the Division

Warriors
Suns
Clippers (If Healthy)

should be relatively good for a few more seasons. OKC and Houston have embraced rebuilds and should start trending Up in a few seasons. Trying to compete now and make the Playoffs will feel good, but isn't enough to overcome the powerhouse teams of the present and eventually at least one of the current Tankers will pass them in the future.

Rather than fight to just make the Playoffs and get bounced by the powerhouse teams, rebuild and develop while the powerhouse teams age and enter a decline.

From the Amick quote unfortunately, It doesn't seem Monte has that choice. Vivek wants to try to win now. I'm going to wager most of the people here think it would be a better choice to tear it down.

Several years ago, Ranadive had some discussions with Hinkie.

West Coast process? Kings get OK to talk to Sam Hinkie, sources say (March 2017)


Rather than have Vlade go ahead and Tank like Hinkie did in Philadelphia, Ranadive let Vlade continue what he was doing.


Ranadive used to be a minority owner with the Warriors and I understand that he wants to compete against them. Yet he continues to overlook that the Warriors drafted extremely well years ago (Curry, Thompson and Green) while the Kings haven't done nearly as well in the Draft.

In recent years, most NBA Champions have had a few elite players and then filled in around them. Since Ranadive wants to compete without the Kings having any truly elite players, it is what I call the Ensemble Plan and few teams have been winning Championships choosing that path.

[Slava]

I have it as closer to a Complete Rebuild than a Partial Rebuild.

Within the Division

Warriors
Suns
Clippers (If Healthy)

should be relatively good for a few more seasons. OKC and Houston have embraced rebuilds and should start trending Up in a few seasons. Trying to compete now and make the Playoffs will feel good, but isn't enough to overcome the powerhouse teams of the present and eventually at least one of the current Tankers will pass them in the future.

Rather than fight to just make the Playoffs and get bounced by the powerhouse teams, rebuild and develop while the powerhouse teams age and enter a decline.

From the Amick quote unfortunately, It doesn't seem Monte has that choice. Vivek wants to try to win now. I'm going to wager most of the people here think it would be a better choice to tear it down.

Several years ago, Ranadive had some discussions with Hinkie.

West Coast process? Kings get OK to talk to Sam Hinkie, sources say (March 2017)


Rather than have Vlade go ahead and Tank like Hinkie did in Philadelphia, Ranadive let Vlade continue what he was doing.


Ranadive used to be a minority owner with the Warriors and I understand that he wants to compete against them. Yet he continues to overlook that the Warriors drafted extremely well years ago (Curry, Thompson and Green) while the Kings haven't done nearly as well in the Draft.

In recent years, most NBA Champions have had a few elite players and then filled in around them. Since Ranadive wants to compete without the Kings having any truly elite players, it is what I call the Ensemble Plan and few teams have been winning Championships choosing that path.

They had some blunders like Bagley over Doncic but between Fox, Haliburton and Mitchell, their core is quite decent I think. They do keep compounding their issues by not moving guys like Barnes and Bogdanovic when their value is high.

[Troubadour]

It doesn't need its own thread, but I have landed (again) on my preferred Goran Dragic trade.

Orlando Receives
Goran Dragic
2023 2nd Round Pick (TOR)
2025 2nd Round Pick (TOR)

Toronto Receives
Terrence Ross
Robin Lopez

[Godaddycurse]

Similar to chuck's earlier q about harris vs siakam (which i'm glad siakam is backing me up with his recent play), is it just me or should fox and westbrook's value be closer than we think?

Fox:
24 y.o. w/ 4 years 135 mil remaining after this one
averaging 21/5/3.5 w/ 2.8 TOV
shooting 45/25/75 (career 46/32/72)
TS 52.9 (career 53.8)
BPM -1
RAPTOR -3.4

Westbrook:
33 y.o. w/ 1 yr 47 mil remaining after this one
averaging 20/8/8 w/ 4.6 TOV
shooting 45/30/65
TS 52
BPM -1
RAPTOR -3.3

Fox had a few good games in Jan so far and i hope he can keep it up but 1/2 way into the season this is quite alarming to me. Unlike Siakam he doesn't really have any ready made excuses like injury/tampa

[shangrila]

Similar to chuck's earlier q about harris vs siakam (which i'm glad siakam is backing me up with his recent play), is it just me or should fox and westbrook's value be closer than we think?

Fox:
24 y.o. w/ 4 years 135 mil remaining after this one
averaging 21/5/3.5 w/ 2.8 TOV
shooting 45/25/75 (career 46/32/72)
TS 52.9 (career 53.8)
BPM -1
RAPTOR -3.4

Westbrook:
33 y.o. w/ 1 yr 47 mil remaining after this one
averaging 20/8/8 w/ 4.6 TOV
shooting 45/30/65
TS 52
BPM -1
RAPTOR -3.3

Fox had a few good games in Jan so far and i hope he can keep it up but 1/2 way into the season this is quite alarming to me. Unlike Siakam he doesn't really have any ready made excuses like injury/tampa

He plays for the Kings?

[zimpy27]

Similar to chuck's earlier q about harris vs siakam (which i'm glad siakam is backing me up with his recent play), is it just me or should fox and westbrook's value be closer than we think?

Fox:
24 y.o. w/ 4 years 135 mil remaining after this one
averaging 21/5/3.5 w/ 2.8 TOV
shooting 45/25/75 (career 46/32/72)
TS 52.9 (career 53.8)
BPM -1
RAPTOR -3.4

Westbrook:
33 y.o. w/ 1 yr 47 mil remaining after this one
averaging 20/8/8 w/ 4.6 TOV
shooting 45/30/65
TS 52
BPM -1
RAPTOR -3.3

Fox had a few good games in Jan so far and i hope he can keep it up but 1/2 way into the season this is quite alarming to me. Unlike Siakam he doesn't really have any ready made excuses like injury/tampa

I don't disagree, Westbrook is very undervalued on here. He should be valued similar to Fox

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