Rumors, Random Thoughts, and Non-threadworthy Posts 17.0 The Least Random

[Astaluego]

I know its not his natural position and we have enough forwards, but I think the Mavs should explore an AD for Jalen Johnson deal. The East is wide open, so the Hawks may want to take a chance on a Trae/Daniels/Rishacher/AD/OO lineup.

The Mavs should then trade Klay or Mann (who they'll need to take back in the deal) for a pass first PG to hold down the fort until Ky returns. But this lineup is huge, young, and promising

Kyrie Irving
Jalen Johnson
Cooper Flagg
PJ Washington
Derrick Lively

Atl fans feel free to tell me if there's no way the Hawks would trade Johnson for AD, or if JJ has no shot of being a 2G. I just thought with his point forward skills, it was possible.

That team's spacing would be hard to see; it looks like the Orlando Magic 2.0.

What about some type of 3 way with Dallas getting Trey Murphy III instead? And Pels maybe getting assets from Atl (Risacher maybe?) as a building block?

Personally, I think AD isn't a good target for the Hawks. He'd be great alongside Trae, but the rest of the team is too far away on the timeline, and they'd have to gut the team to get him. They already have a weak bench right now, and coupled with AD's availability issues, it would be a very bad idea for them in my opinion. I don't see much of a market for him. Houston could make an offer maybe? He seems like the type of player Udoka would like. They have the contracts, prospects, picks, and flexibility to do so without compromising their future, and they'd definitely be contenders.
I'm not sure of the value,
I'm picturing something like Green/Sheppard/Brooks/Landale + 10 + FRP (With Brooks on a 3rd team to save/expire) for AD/Klay

Sengun/Adams
AD/Smith
Amen/Eason
Klay/Whitmore
FVV/Holiday

That's a really good team, well-rounded, deep, and they'd still have multiple future assets (some at a premium). Also, according to reports, they had interest in KD but were concerned about his age. Personally, I think AD is more of an Udoka archetype, plus he's 5 years younger (which should mitigate age concerns a bit). I'd like to add that Klay would be an incredible fit. Would that team be good enough to challenge the Thunder for the Western Conference title? I'd say yes.

And I like how the Mavs would look and their future possibilities... (continue moving Gafford/Martin/Brooks/Marshall...)

Brooks for Bogdanovic+30?
Gafford for Vincent/Knecht?

Sheppard/Green/Flagg/PJ/Lively
*KI/Christie/Knecht/O-Max/K.Jones?


I also think the KINGS would take a chance (even if they shouldn't).
I'm picturing something like Lavine/Carter and picks.

[SkyHook]

I have a gut feeling that Minnesota POBO Tim Connelly has yet another big trade in him.....I haven't centered in yet on who it might be for sure. Might be someone we've pegged for a while in Durant. Might be a total surprise though too....I don't know why, but I have wondered for a while if Memphis will indeed be committed to re-sign Jaren Jackson Jr to a massive deal. It seems like a money move the small-market Grizzlies would make, and I think Minnesota has pieces that would interest the Grizzlies and fit the culture there.

What does your gut say about which players would be moved from Minny?

[toooskies]

I really don’t understand why Cleveland would want to get worse like this.

Money and the new CBA.

IQ's flat contract will probably look really nice in 12-18 months as long as he can produce at the level he has as a starter -- especially since CLE will have 2 max players taking 60% of the cap, and a bunch of high-level role players (Allen, Hunter, Strus, maybe Wade) that fit well with the 2-star core and have to be paid. OTOH, paying almost 30% of the cap for Garland seems like a luxury, particularly when he gets targeted in the playoffs.

Also think CLE would prefer Agbaji (over Dick), who looks like a much better prospect to be a bench piece on a contender if he can simply maintain last season's shooting.

TOR would win the trade on talent by quite a bit. But I'm not at all a fan of a team devoting 80% of the cap to 3 players like Garland, Ingram and Barnes. All 3 are really good, and fine in a vacuum, but that core has too many flaws and gaps to lead TOR to anything more than an expensive first round exit.

Yeah, I think if they can get Garland, they get him… Trade Ingram to build a defense around Barnes/Garland.

And for Cleveland, if they are concerned about financials… I don’t think IQ saves enough money to justify the talent loss / risk. It’s like splitting the pain between talent loss / financial gain.

If they’re cutting costs, they should just look for the best youth piece/package for Garland, dump some of the returned salary and probably keep both Merrill and Jerome?

If they’re working on fit, I’d think they can do better than IQ. Or make Toronto pay more I guess.

I thought Quickley's contract was bad the day he signed it and don't think it's any better just because it isn't escalating. The guy should be making $20-25m. I wouldn't take the deal if #9 was included.

[jayjaysee]

Money and the new CBA.

IQ's flat contract will probably look really nice in 12-18 months as long as he can produce at the level he has as a starter -- especially since CLE will have 2 max players taking 60% of the cap, and a bunch of high-level role players (Allen, Hunter, Strus, maybe Wade) that fit well with the 2-star core and have to be paid. OTOH, paying almost 30% of the cap for Garland seems like a luxury, particularly when he gets targeted in the playoffs.

Also think CLE would prefer Agbaji (over Dick), who looks like a much better prospect to be a bench piece on a contender if he can simply maintain last season's shooting.

TOR would win the trade on talent by quite a bit. But I'm not at all a fan of a team devoting 80% of the cap to 3 players like Garland, Ingram and Barnes. All 3 are really good, and fine in a vacuum, but that core has too many flaws and gaps to lead TOR to anything more than an expensive first round exit.

Yeah, I think if they can get Garland, they get him… Trade Ingram to build a defense around Barnes/Garland.

And for Cleveland, if they are concerned about financials… I don’t think IQ saves enough money to justify the talent loss / risk. It’s like splitting the pain between talent loss / financial gain.

If they’re cutting costs, they should just look for the best youth piece/package for Garland, dump some of the returned salary and probably keep both Merrill and Jerome?

If they’re working on fit, I’d think they can do better than IQ. Or make Toronto pay more I guess.

I thought Quickley's contract was bad the day he signed it and don't think it's any better just because it isn't escalating. The guy should be making $20-25m. I wouldn't take the deal if #9 was included.

Yeah, I mean it’ll look better in 2 years... But Garland is a better enough player (imo) that the money doesn’t matter to me.

IQ has been a really good player in the league though. And could scale his NYK efficiency with his Toronto role and be a really great player. Just have to wait for that or wait for the cap jumps to scale his contract down to what it should be.

[ReggiesKnicks]

I have a gut feeling that Minnesota POBO Tim Connelly has yet another big trade in him.....I haven't centered in yet on who it might be for sure. Might be someone we've pegged for a while in Durant. Might be a total surprise though too....I don't know why, but I have wondered for a while if Memphis will indeed be committed to re-sign Jaren Jackson Jr to a massive deal. It seems like a money move the small-market Grizzlies would make, and I think Minnesota has pieces that would interest the Grizzlies and fit the culture there.

What does your gut say about which players would be moved from Minny?

Take your pick.

Anthony Edwards
Rudy Gobert
Julius Randle (If he opts in)
Jaden McDaniels
Naz Reid (If he opts in)
Donte DiVincenzo
Mike Conley
Rob Dillingham
Terrence Shannon Jr.
Jaylen Clark
Leonard Miller (Unguaranteed)

I really like what I have seen from Terrence Shannon Jr against OKC, but I have seen very little of him. I liked him in college and as a prospect and he plays exactly how I thought he would. He seems like a player who can be an end-of-rotation type, similar to Ben Sheppard on Indiana and Shannon is almost 25 already

I expect Wolves fans and management expect to Dillingham to earn regular rotation minutes next year during the Regular Season and could spell offensive woes in the postseason in the right matchups but I expect him to still be a year or two away from being a big-time post-season contributor.

Jaylen Clark just signed for the minimum or similar, I expect him to be vying for those end-of-bench spots.

Is it possible Minnesota bets on 2/4 of the aforementioned guys + Leonard Miller earning those 7 and 8 spots?

That leaves the following players vying for the Top 6 spots:
Anthony Edwards
Rudy Gobert
Julius Randle (If he opts in)
Jaden McDaniels
Naz Reid (If he opts in)
Donte DiVincenzo
Mike Conley

Could a consolidation trade take place? Minnesota needs to replace Gobert's size in a Gobert trade. They need to replace Randle's scoring and playmaking in a Randle trade. McDaniels and DiVincenzo seem like good players to fill in holes on a roster with a combination of shooting/playmaking/rim pressure between the two, and both being plus defenders (McDaniels flirting with All-Defensive levels).

Edit: I almost forgot, Minnesota also has #17 and #31 in the next NBA Draft.

Here are players who can crack playoff rotations picked between #28-#36 from 2017-2022:
Andrew Nembhard
Santi Aldama
Herbert Jones
Miles McBride
Jaden McDaniels
Desmond Bane
Nic Claxton
Jordan Poole
Jalen Brunson
Josh Hart
Derrick White

Then there are a handful of guys who can crack regular-season rotations:
Jaylin Williams
Day'ron Sharpe
Max Christie
Keldon Johnson
Kevin Porter Jr.
Mitchell Robinson

Statistically, this results in ~20% as players who can play post-season minutes and ~33% chance as players who can be in regular season rotations. This number shrinks for players in their first couple/few seasons at a drastic rate.

[Klomp]

I have a gut feeling that Minnesota POBO Tim Connelly has yet another big trade in him.....I haven't centered in yet on who it might be for sure. Might be someone we've pegged for a while in Durant. Might be a total surprise though too....I don't know why, but I have wondered for a while if Memphis will indeed be committed to re-sign Jaren Jackson Jr to a massive deal. It seems like a money move the small-market Grizzlies would make, and I think Minnesota has pieces that would interest the Grizzlies and fit the culture there.

What does your gut say about which players would be moved from Minny?

In my mind currently, Ant and Jaden are the surest bets to stay on the team next year. Naz would be considered a core piece if he re-signs, as well. After that, I'm mostly open to business, but player inclusions rely heavily on the offer. I'm partial to keeping Rob, TJ and Jaylen though, so it would really have to be a strong offer to part with them. Regarding the vets, I feel strongest about keeping Donte and probably Rudy, but anyone is up for discussion.

This is not a complete blow-up in my mind, but another roster tweak like the Knicks trade was to improve cap flexibility and the asset pool while remaining extremely competitive in the difficult West.

[Astaluego]

Money and the new CBA.

IQ's flat contract will probably look really nice in 12-18 months as long as he can produce at the level he has as a starter -- especially since CLE will have 2 max players taking 60% of the cap, and a bunch of high-level role players (Allen, Hunter, Strus, maybe Wade) that fit well with the 2-star core and have to be paid. OTOH, paying almost 30% of the cap for Garland seems like a luxury, particularly when he gets targeted in the playoffs.

Also think CLE would prefer Agbaji (over Dick), who looks like a much better prospect to be a bench piece on a contender if he can simply maintain last season's shooting.

TOR would win the trade on talent by quite a bit. But I'm not at all a fan of a team devoting 80% of the cap to 3 players like Garland, Ingram and Barnes. All 3 are really good, and fine in a vacuum, but that core has too many flaws and gaps to lead TOR to anything more than an expensive first round exit.

Yeah, I think if they can get Garland, they get him… Trade Ingram to build a defense around Barnes/Garland.

And for Cleveland, if they are concerned about financials… I don’t think IQ saves enough money to justify the talent loss / risk. It’s like splitting the pain between talent loss / financial gain.

If they’re cutting costs, they should just look for the best youth piece/package for Garland, dump some of the returned salary and probably keep both Merrill and Jerome?

If they’re working on fit, I’d think they can do better than IQ. Or make Toronto pay more I guess.

I thought Quickley's contract was bad the day he signed it and don't think it's any better just because it isn't escalating. The guy should be making $20-25m. I wouldn't take the deal if #9 was included.

I also think Garland is much more talented, but also that there is a considerable gap in defense in favor of IQ... definitely if the Raptors send the 9 I would do it (although I admit that I love this Draft, since I think it is loaded with talent with future high-caliber role players... C. Bryant/Coward/Essengue/WBC...)

[toooskies]

Yeah, I think if they can get Garland, they get him… Trade Ingram to build a defense around Barnes/Garland.

And for Cleveland, if they are concerned about financials… I don’t think IQ saves enough money to justify the talent loss / risk. It’s like splitting the pain between talent loss / financial gain.

If they’re cutting costs, they should just look for the best youth piece/package for Garland, dump some of the returned salary and probably keep both Merrill and Jerome?

If they’re working on fit, I’d think they can do better than IQ. Or make Toronto pay more I guess.

I thought Quickley's contract was bad the day he signed it and don't think it's any better just because it isn't escalating. The guy should be making $20-25m. I wouldn't take the deal if #9 was included.

I also think Garland is much more talented, but also that there is a considerable gap in defense in favor of IQ... definitely if the Raptors send the 9 I would do it (although I admit that I love this Draft, since I think it is loaded with talent with future high-caliber role players... C. Bryant/Coward/Essengue/WBC...)

I haven't watched a lot of Quickley when healthy, but his metrics say he's barely better than Garland at all on defense. Garland is an underrated positional defender with good off-ball instincts. Sadly the turf toe kept him from playing like it in the playoffs.

[Texas Chuck]

The gap between Garland and IQ as big minute starters is really big. Too big to make this trade. Now IQ has some numbers that looked good as a limited minute guy playing mostly against 2nd units. If he could really translate that to starter's minutes against starters it starts to close the gap, but that's just speculation at this point. He's not been able to sustain that level of play in that larger role. Then we ask is it just the terrible roster construction in Toronto and on a team that made more sense, would he look more like the Knicks version? Again we all have to speculate. I'm a show me guy by nature so I'm valuing him as a guy who can't do that. But I don't think others are wrong necessarily for a more optimistic projection. But Cleveland should ask for more if they are willing to take that gamble with a 60 win team.

[enzino]

[edited - #16 was missing among incoming picks/picks re-arranged - now they are 2 separates trades merged in one]

CELTICS OUT: Jrue Holiday, Payton Pritchard, #32
CELTICS IN: Lonzo Ball, Dwight Powell, #16

CHICAGO OUT: Lonzo Ball
CHICAGO IN: PJ Washington, Daniel Gafford

DALLAS OUT: Dwight Powell, PJ Washington, Daniel Gafford
DALLAS IN: Jrue Holiday, #32

ORL OUT: #16, RMLE
ORL IN: Payton Pritchard

[Texas Chuck]

Chicago shouldn't give a lottery pick to rent a couple veterans who don't make them relevant. Dallas shouldn't give both of them for a guard who doesn't solve their creation needs and without moving Klay's money you just create more problems for them going forward.

Seems too good for Boston on value, and pretty solid for Orlando.

[ReggiesKnicks]

CELTICS OUT: Jrue Holiday, Payton Pritchard, #28, #32
CELTICS IN: Lonzo Ball, Dwight Powell, #12

CHICAGO OUT: Lonzo Ball, #12
CHICAGO IN: PJ Washington, Daniel Gafford, #25

DALLAS OUT: Dwight Powell, PJ Washington, Daniel Gafford
DALLAS IN: Jrue Holiday, #28

ORL OUT: #16, #25, RMLE
ORL IN: Payton Pritchard, #32

Too good for Celtics.

Chicago sends a lottery pick to move down and win 4 more games?

Dallas seems to want shooting and creation and Jrue doesn't exactly fill either hole without squinting.

Orlando is overpaying, but I may be underrating undersized guards hidden on good defensive teams.

[enzino]

CELTICS OUT: Jrue Holiday, Payton Pritchard, #28, #32
CELTICS IN: Lonzo Ball, Dwight Powell, #12

CHICAGO OUT: Lonzo Ball, #12
CHICAGO IN: PJ Washington, Daniel Gafford, #25

DALLAS OUT: Dwight Powell, PJ Washington, Daniel Gafford
DALLAS IN: Jrue Holiday, #28

ORL OUT: #16, #25, RMLE
ORL IN: Payton Pritchard, #32

Too good for Celtics.

Chicago sends a lottery pick to move down and win 4 more games?

Dallas seems to want shooting and creation and Jrue doesn't exactly fill either hole without squinting.

Orlando is overpaying, but I may be underrating undersized guards hidden on good defensive teams.

you're right and #16 was not going anywhere...
OP edited

[ReggiesKnicks]

[edited - #16 was missing among incoming picks/picks re-arranged - now they are 2 separates trades merged in one]

CELTICS OUT: Jrue Holiday, Payton Pritchard, #32
CELTICS IN: Lonzo Ball, Dwight Powell, #16

CHICAGO OUT: Lonzo Ball
CHICAGO IN: PJ Washington, Daniel Gafford

DALLAS OUT: Dwight Powell, PJ Washington, Daniel Gafford
DALLAS IN: Jrue Holiday, #32

ORL OUT: #16, RMLE
ORL IN: Payton Pritchard

Chicago trades Ball for two starters?

[enzino]

[edited - #16 was missing among incoming picks/picks re-arranged - now they are 2 separates trades merged in one]

CELTICS OUT: Jrue Holiday, Payton Pritchard, #32
CELTICS IN: Lonzo Ball, Dwight Powell, #16

CHICAGO OUT: Lonzo Ball
CHICAGO IN: PJ Washington, Daniel Gafford

DALLAS OUT: Dwight Powell, PJ Washington, Daniel Gafford
DALLAS IN: Jrue Holiday, #32

ORL OUT: #16, RMLE
ORL IN: Payton Pritchard

Chicago trades Ball for two starters?

Bulls by this trade are eating 7,5 M$ in 2024/25 and 18,5 M$ in 2025/26

[Texas Chuck]

[edited - #16 was missing among incoming picks/picks re-arranged - now they are 2 separates trades merged in one]

CELTICS OUT: Jrue Holiday, Payton Pritchard, #32
CELTICS IN: Lonzo Ball, Dwight Powell, #16

CHICAGO OUT: Lonzo Ball
CHICAGO IN: PJ Washington, Daniel Gafford

DALLAS OUT: Dwight Powell, PJ Washington, Daniel Gafford
DALLAS IN: Jrue Holiday, #32

ORL OUT: #16, RMLE
ORL IN: Payton Pritchard

Chicago trades Ball for two starters?

Bulls by this trade are eating 7,5 M$ in 2024/25 and 18,5 M$ in 2025/26

See teams don't normally just give away cheap starters for free. Both Washington and Gafford would be considered positives on their current salaries, particularly Washington. Powell is bad money, but he makes like $1M more than vet min so totally insignificant in this context.

Boston would cut Chicago out immediately and then trade both guys off taking back no money and getting assets.

Now Dallas isn't likely to do their part anyway so its moot, but if they would Chicago wouldn't be here. And your Celtics would get to steal even more value.

[oldncreaky]

Yeah, I think if they can get Garland, they get him… Trade Ingram to build a defense around Barnes/Garland.

And for Cleveland, if they are concerned about financials… I don’t think IQ saves enough money to justify the talent loss / risk. It’s like splitting the pain between talent loss / financial gain.

If they’re cutting costs, they should just look for the best youth piece/package for Garland, dump some of the returned salary and probably keep both Merrill and Jerome?

If they’re working on fit, I’d think they can do better than IQ. Or make Toronto pay more I guess.

I thought Quickley's contract was bad the day he signed it and don't think it's any better just because it isn't escalating. The guy should be making $20-25m. I wouldn't take the deal if #9 was included.

I also think Garland is much more talented, but also that there is a considerable gap in defense in favor of IQ... definitely if the Raptors send the 9 I would do it (although I admit that I love this Draft, since I think it is loaded with talent with future high-caliber role players... C. Bryant/Coward/Essengue/WBC...)

I agree that Garland is significantly better on offence, particularly running a team and balancing taking his own shots while facilitating. I think IQ has a small edge on D due to length, but that could be just noise based on context/teammates/etc.

However, I still don't think TOR should have any interest in Garland, or any other small guard for that matter

Dumb is TOR devoting roughly 88% of the cap to 4 starters (Barnes, Ingram, Quickley, Barrett) without having a clear #1 star, and having 1 player I'm sure I want on the floor in crunch time of a playoff game (Barnes).

Dumber is TOR trading IQ for Garland, and devoting 99% of the cap to 4 starters (Barnes, Ingram, Garland, Barrett) without having a clear #1 star, and having 1 player I'm sure I want on the floor in crunch time of a playoff game (Barnes).

Dumber still is TOR trading IQ for Garland, along with what could be the last lotto pick they have while Barnes is under contract -- all to lock in a team that's a first round exit, and where bean-pole Ingram is the 3rd best option at PF or C. TOR has no playable backup at either C or PF, and the last thing they should do is lean into their unbalanced roster tilted to small guards.

[daoneandonly]

That team's spacing would be hard to see; it looks like the Orlando Magic 2.0.

What about some type of 3 way with Dallas getting Trey Murphy III instead? And Pels maybe getting assets from Atl (Risacher maybe?) as a building block?

Personally, I think AD isn't a good target for the Hawks. He'd be great alongside Trae, but the rest of the team is too far away on the timeline, and they'd have to gut the team to get him. They already have a weak bench right now, and coupled with AD's availability issues, it would be a very bad idea for them in my opinion. I don't see much of a market for him. Houston could make an offer maybe? He seems like the type of player Udoka would like. They have the contracts, prospects, picks, and flexibility to do so without compromising their future, and they'd definitely be contenders.
I'm not sure of the value,
I'm picturing something like Green/Sheppard/Brooks/Landale + 10 + FRP (With Brooks on a 3rd team to save/expire) for AD/Klay

Sengun/Adams
AD/Smith
Amen/Eason
Klay/Whitmore
FVV/Holiday

That's a really good team, well-rounded, deep, and they'd still have multiple future assets (some at a premium). Also, according to reports, they had interest in KD but were concerned about his age. Personally, I think AD is more of an Udoka archetype, plus he's 5 years younger (which should mitigate age concerns a bit). I'd like to add that Klay would be an incredible fit. Would that team be good enough to challenge the Thunder for the Western Conference title? I'd say yes.

And I like how the Mavs would look and their future possibilities... (continue moving Gafford/Martin/Brooks/Marshall...)

Brooks for Bogdanovic+30?
Gafford for Vincent/Knecht?

Sheppard/Green/Flagg/PJ/Lively
*KI/Christie/Knecht/O-Max/K.Jones?


I also think the KINGS would take a chance (even if they shouldn't).
I'm picturing something like Lavine/Carter and picks.

Green and Lavine are two of the last guys I'd want to see in a Mavs uniform. Green is terrible and Lavine is a Kevin Martin on a bloated deal.Also Brooks would only be valuable if Luka were still there.

Now if PHX would accept that Hou package and send Dallas Booker, sure, may be worth a conversation. Though I'd hope Dallas could get their 2029 pick back.

[daoneandonly]

That team's spacing would be hard to see; it looks like the Orlando Magic 2.0.

What about some type of 3 way with Dallas getting Trey Murphy III instead? And Pels maybe getting assets from Atl (Risacher maybe?) as a building block?

Personally, I think AD isn't a good target for the Hawks. He'd be great alongside Trae, but the rest of the team is too far away on the timeline, and they'd have to gut the team to get him. They already have a weak bench right now, and coupled with AD's availability issues, it would be a very bad idea for them in my opinion. I don't see much of a market for him. Houston could make an offer maybe? He seems like the type of player Udoka would like. They have the contracts, prospects, picks, and flexibility to do so without compromising their future, and they'd definitely be contenders.
I'm not sure of the value,
I'm picturing something like Green/Sheppard/Brooks/Landale + 10 + FRP (With Brooks on a 3rd team to save/expire) for AD/Klay

Sengun/Adams
AD/Smith
Amen/Eason
Klay/Whitmore
FVV/Holiday

That's a really good team, well-rounded, deep, and they'd still have multiple future assets (some at a premium). Also, according to reports, they had interest in KD but were concerned about his age. Personally, I think AD is more of an Udoka archetype, plus he's 5 years younger (which should mitigate age concerns a bit). I'd like to add that Klay would be an incredible fit. Would that team be good enough to challenge the Thunder for the Western Conference title? I'd say yes.

And I like how the Mavs would look and their future possibilities... (continue moving Gafford/Martin/Brooks/Marshall...)

Brooks for Bogdanovic+30?
Gafford for Vincent/Knecht?

Sheppard/Green/Flagg/PJ/Lively
*KI/Christie/Knecht/O-Max/K.Jones?


I also think the KINGS would take a chance (even if they shouldn't).
I'm picturing something like Lavine/Carter and picks.

Green and Lavine are two of the last guys I'd want to see in a Mavs uniform. Green is terrible and Lavine is a Kevin Martin on a bloated deal.Also Brooks would only be valuable if Luka were still there.

Now if PHX would accept that Hou package and send Dallas Booker, sure, may be worth a conversation. Though I'd hope Dallas could get their 2029 pick back.

[LarsV8]

NYG's hot take: this off-season isn't going to be crazy at all. Maybe a KD deal and like a Sabonis trade, but otherwise mostly dull.

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