Thoughts in General, Rumors, etc 3.0

[NYG]

Suns signed Elfrid Payton. As a Knicks fan all I can say is, when you go from CP3/Cam Payne to Elfrid Payton on the court it's going to be ugly.

well, he played there before so they know what they are getting. That sad, as a Magic fan that saw him, he wont wow anyone

Haha yeah... sometimes he was so close to resembling a good player, but never quite got there.

[zimpy27]

Show me da money..
Show me de mo..
Shrow demor..
Schrowdeor.. Schrowdor..
Schröder.. Schröder..

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[Texas Chuck]

Not sure where we stand on Jake Fisher these days, but he got some stuff right in free agency and Stein has certainly been giving him some additional credibility. But feel free to include other teams besides the four Jake mentions and to accept or not the Bulls requirements.

Essentially what Fisher is reporting is that Chicago wants to take back no money in a S&T and wants a first rounder. Which makes it tricky for those teams who may have interest. He reported New Orleans, Boston, Dallas, and Minnesota with Boston being the most surprising and new name for me anyway. Cited an AAV of $15M

New Orleans has a TPE big enough, right? So sending out salary is no issue and they certainly have plenty of 1sts. So logistics for them are simple. Now do you want to pay Lauri that money and give a first?

Dallas can also make the money work easily by doing some version of jay's Powell/Favors swap. But do they want to incentivize OKC or a different team with a similar 2 year deal and pay a first and pay Lauri?

Boston also has some TPE's and can leverage them in a similar fashion as Dallas though a little bit trickier. They have the advantage of having some rookie scale guys to send out that might cost nothing to dump. But their moves have suggested keeping flexibility for next year unless Smart signs an extension. And reports on the Schroder saga indicate they want to avoid being hard capped so?

Minnesota figures to have the toughest path to matching salary because they don't have the TPE's the other teams have and they can't take back much additional salary and stay under the tax.

[jayjaysee]

Chicago asking for no salary and a first is a really bad look. And probably why Lauri isn’t signed yet.

If that’s true, I hope Presti pays Lauri. They can trade him by the end of the year, for Powell and a first.

[Texas Chuck]

Chicago asking for no salary and a first is a really bad look. And probably why Lauri isn’t signed yet.

I think its fine to ask, who knows some team might get desperate and pay it. But I have to think they will come down off that in the end, no? If Lauri's agent comes back and says we have an agreement with Team X do they really want to play hardball and have him come back unhappy on the QO?

[Domejandro]

Minnesota figures to have the toughest path to matching salary because they don't have the TPE's the other teams have and they can't take back much additional salary and stay under the tax.

My suggestion was....

CHI: Juancho Hernangómez , Minnesota Second, and Top-55 Protected Second
OUT: Lauri Markkanen (S+T)

Why for Chicago? Get a quality backup forward and a second.

MIN: Lauri Markkanen (S+T)
OUT: Juancho Hernangómez, Jarrett Culver, Jake Layman, two seconds, and cash.

Why for Minnesota? Get a starting caliber Power-Forward.

OKC: Jarrett Culver, Jake Layman, a second, and cash
OUT: Top-55 Protected Second.

Why for OKC? Use their cap-space to gamble on a young wing and get a second.


Frankly, Chicago expecting no salary and a first is insane, but this is around what I would offer. Maybe I could see giving Chicago a one year protected top twenty first that turns into seconds, but even that feels steep.

[kalenclayton]

Chicago asking for no salary and a first is a really bad look. And probably why Lauri isn’t signed yet.

I think its fine to ask, who knows some team might get desperate and pay it. But I have to think they will come down off that in the end, no? If Lauri's agent comes back and says we have an agreement with Team X do they really want to play hardball and have him come back unhappy on the QO?

I think Chicago played this poorly and should’ve shopped him harder at the deadline (with an emphasis on actually getting him off the team). IIRC, there were murmurs of him wanting out then. Now they have put themselves into a bad position where they potentially strain agent/player relations while getting less value than they could’ve. They should just work out a S&T where they get a 2nd and as big of a trade exception as they can muster (dependent on the incoming salary and Lauri’s AAV). Just wash your hands and be done. I have a hard time believing that any team outside of NOP would send a 1st out and pay Lauri $15 million without sending salary back. Maybe sending the first while sending out equal salary. It’s just not worth it.

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[MoneyTalks41890]

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This makes me very happy.

[Bornstellar]

Anyone have any clue what is holding the DeRozan S&T up? It still has not been officially announced by SA

[Texas Chuck]

Stein with some tweets suggesting Dallas wants to S&T for Markkanen back into the Richardson TPE. I mean sure, but at that point doesn't he sign a one year MLE or just sign the QO?

Somebody needs to explain to Harrison jay's Powell/Favors method of making a bigger offer.

[Texas Chuck]

Anyone have any clue what is holding the DeRozan S&T up? It still has not been officially announced by SA

Markkanen right? If he signs elsewhere and Chicago doesn't have to take back salary than maybe the Spurs don't have to eat Aminu. Or maybe they pull back Thad and put in Brown or White(don't actually know how close the money is an what leeway they would have)? Or maybe the Spurs still want Lauri now that the market has collapsed?


But my guess is Chicago is holding it up because of that situation.

[drosestruts]

What's odd about the Bulls not wanting to take back any salary is that their roster is far from complete. By my count they're at 12 players:

Ball/Caruso/Ayo
LaVine/White/Green
DeRozan/Brown Jr
Williams/
Vucevic/Bradley/Simonivic

With obvious holes at the 4 and depth issues across their forward spots in general. So why ask for no salary back instead looking to use the S&T to fill these gaps, which has to offer better players then what's left on the free agent market (Milsap, Scott, Ennis, Wilson, Ilyasova, Clark)

A Minnesota trade bringing back Hernangomez and one of Vanderbilt or McDaniels fills these gaps for Chiago.

[Bornstellar]

Anyone have any clue what is holding the DeRozan S&T up? It still has not been officially announced by SA

Markkanen right? If he signs elsewhere and Chicago doesn't have to take back salary than maybe the Spurs don't have to eat Aminu. Or maybe they pull back Thad and put in Brown or White(don't actually know how close the money is an what leeway they would have)? Or maybe the Spurs still want Lauri now that the market has collapsed?


But my guess is Chicago is holding it up because of that situation.

Makes sense. Hopefully he gets situated somewhere soon. After the Morris fiasco a couple years ago I'm on edge until these things are actually official

[Chicago-Bull-E]

Chicago asking for no salary and a first is a really bad look. And probably why Lauri isn’t signed yet.

If that’s true, I hope Presti pays Lauri. They can trade him by the end of the year, for Powell and a first.

While there has been a lot of back and forth, at best we know the relationship is clearly strained.

I certainly don't think the Bulls can get a 1st and cap space. That requires a 3rd team to take on the bad contracts/salary of the team receiving Lauri, and they'd want compensation, so a team is giving a large contract to Lauri, and then paying 2 different teams to do so. Seems kind of farfetched to be real., especially since one 1 or 2 teams have any space left.

That being said, the Bulls front office is well within their right to not have to help facilitate a sign and trade for Lauri without compensation. The Spurs made the Bulls pay for taking on Thad and Aminu, Pelicans made the Bulls pay for Ball, so how can anyone find fault in the Bulls trying to do the same?

I think the relationship is so strained, they don't care if Lauri walks for nothing. The two parties want nothing to do with each other IMO. Lauri should just take the highest MLE offer he can and call it a day.

[bondom34]

2 unrelated thoughts.

1. I can't shake the thought that had they not traded for Westbrook, the Lakers would have paid Schroder $20M a year. And now we're at this point with him.

2.

Spoiler:

WILL SOMEONE SIGN PAUL MILLSAP

[gswhoops]

Warriors pushing back GP2’s guarantee deadline, seems like they’re at least considering him for one of the last two roster spots.

It’s possible this is too niche even for the “things that aren’t important enough to get their own thread” thread.

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[Chicago-Bull-E]

2 unrelated thoughts.

1. I can't shake the thought that had they not traded for Westbrook, the Lakers would have paid Schroder $20M a year. And now we're at this point with him.

2.

Spoiler:

WILL SOMEONE SIGN PAUL MILLSAP

Really want the Bulls to nab him as the power forward spot is in flux, like the fit. They have a 5 million-ish TPE from the Theis deal.

[Devilanche]

Chicago asking for no salary and a first is a really bad look. And probably why Lauri isn’t signed yet.

If that’s true, I hope Presti pays Lauri. They can trade him by the end of the year, for Powell and a first.

I’m with jay on this . Seems Chicago were too greedy. By the trade deadline seems they were moving away from him .

The money Lauri want is too high anyway and I don’t think Chicago is THAT interested to bring him back . Ask for 2 seconds or something instead.

[MoneyTalks41890]

2 unrelated thoughts.

1. I can't shake the thought that had they not traded for Westbrook, the Lakers would have paid Schroder $20M a year. And now we're at this point with him.

2. WILL SOMEONE SIGN PAUL MILLSAP

After that Dame press conference I think Portland should be calling him daily.