Thoughts in General, Rumors, etc 3.0

[Devilanche]

What's odd about the Bulls not wanting to take back any salary is that their roster is far from complete. By my count they're at 12 players:

Ball/Caruso/Ayo
LaVine/White/Green
DeRozan/Brown Jr
Williams/
Vucevic/Bradley/Simonivic

With obvious holes at the 4 and depth issues across their forward spots in general. So why ask for no salary back instead looking to use the S&T to fill these gaps, which has to offer better players then what's left on the free agent market (Milsap, Scott, Ennis, Wilson, Ilyasova, Clark)

A Minnesota trade bringing back Hernangomez and one of Vanderbilt or McDaniels fills these gaps for Chiago.

Luxury tax concern ? Doesn’t feel like they are close to it though .

[shangrila]

What's odd about the Bulls not wanting to take back any salary is that their roster is far from complete. By my count they're at 12 players:

Ball/Caruso/Ayo
LaVine/White/Green
DeRozan/Brown Jr
Williams/
Vucevic/Bradley/Simonivic

With obvious holes at the 4 and depth issues across their forward spots in general. So why ask for no salary back instead looking to use the S&T to fill these gaps, which has to offer better players then what's left on the free agent market (Milsap, Scott, Ennis, Wilson, Ilyasova, Clark)

A Minnesota trade bringing back Hernangomez and one of Vanderbilt or McDaniels fills these gaps for Chiago.

McDaniels? Come on now.

If you want to fill out the roster we’ve got expiring bench players and space under the tax to not have to match exactly. Hell, I’ll throw in some seconds too. But that’s it.

Asking for Vando is a stretch. Asking for McDaniels is a joke.

[Devilanche]

2 unrelated thoughts.

1. I can't shake the thought that had they not traded for Westbrook, the Lakers would have paid Schroder $20M a year. And now we're at this point with him.

2. WILL SOMEONE SIGN PAUL MILLSAP

After that Dame press conference I think Portland should be calling him daily.

Just to be clear you are talking about millsap right ?
I’m guessing you are but Portland has a preference for guards so was thinking it might be Schroeder

[Scoot McGroot]

Anyone have any clue what is holding the DeRozan S&T up? It still has not been officially announced by SA

Markkanen right? If he signs elsewhere and Chicago doesn't have to take back salary than maybe the Spurs don't have to eat Aminu. Or maybe they pull back Thad and put in Brown or White(don't actually know how close the money is an what leeway they would have)? Or maybe the Spurs still want Lauri now that the market has collapsed?


But my guess is Chicago is holding it up because of that situation.

He’s restricted, so it would have to be a 2 year offer, no options.

[pacers33granger]

Chicago asking for no salary and a first is a really bad look. And probably why Lauri isn’t signed yet.

If that’s true, I hope Presti pays Lauri. They can trade him by the end of the year, for Powell and a first.

Yeah both Chicago and Lauri's camp seem to have his value much higher than the rest of the league. It's going to be really tough to find a team who wants to pay him based on potential on a longterm deal and pay Chicago for the right to do so.

[Colbinii]

What's odd about the Bulls not wanting to take back any salary is that their roster is far from complete. By my count they're at 12 players:

Ball/Caruso/Ayo
LaVine/White/Green
DeRozan/Brown Jr
Williams/
Vucevic/Bradley/Simonivic

With obvious holes at the 4 and depth issues across their forward spots in general. So why ask for no salary back instead looking to use the S&T to fill these gaps, which has to offer better players then what's left on the free agent market (Milsap, Scott, Ennis, Wilson, Ilyasova, Clark)

A Minnesota trade bringing back Hernangomez and one of Vanderbilt or McDaniels fills these gaps for Chiago.

McDaniels? Come on now.

If you want to fill out the roster we’ve got expiring bench players and space under the tax to not have to match exactly. Hell, I’ll throw in some seconds too. But that’s it.

Asking for Vando is a stretch. Asking for McDaniels is a joke.

Don't forget adding Edwards as a super 6 man.

[Colbinii]

Chicago asking for no salary and a first is a really bad look. And probably why Lauri isn’t signed yet.

If that’s true, I hope Presti pays Lauri. They can trade him by the end of the year, for Powell and a first.

Yeah both Chicago and Lauri's camp seem to have his value much higher than the rest of the league. It's going to be really tough to find a team who wants to pay him based on potential on a longterm deal and pay Chicago for the right to do so.

Chicago is looking at what they did with Demar and thinking they can get something like that in return.

[Resistance]

What's odd about the Bulls not wanting to take back any salary is that their roster is far from complete. By my count they're at 12 players:

Ball/Caruso/Ayo
LaVine/White/Green
DeRozan/Brown Jr
Williams/
Vucevic/Bradley/Simonivic

With obvious holes at the 4 and depth issues across their forward spots in general. So why ask for no salary back instead looking to use the S&T to fill these gaps, which has to offer better players then what's left on the free agent market (Milsap, Scott, Ennis, Wilson, Ilyasova, Clark)

A Minnesota trade bringing back Hernangomez and one of Vanderbilt or McDaniels fills these gaps for Chiago.

I watched highlights from the Minnesota - San Antonio game and have McDaniels with more value than Markkanen.

[drosestruts]

What's odd about the Bulls not wanting to take back any salary is that their roster is far from complete. By my count they're at 12 players:

Ball/Caruso/Ayo
LaVine/White/Green
DeRozan/Brown Jr
Williams/
Vucevic/Bradley/Simonivic

With obvious holes at the 4 and depth issues across their forward spots in general. So why ask for no salary back instead looking to use the S&T to fill these gaps, which has to offer better players then what's left on the free agent market (Milsap, Scott, Ennis, Wilson, Ilyasova, Clark)

A Minnesota trade bringing back Hernangomez and one of Vanderbilt or McDaniels fills these gaps for Chiago.

McDaniels? Come on now.

If you want to fill out the roster we’ve got expiring bench players and space under the tax to not have to match exactly. Hell, I’ll throw in some seconds too. But that’s it.

Asking for Vando is a stretch. Asking for McDaniels is a joke.

Don't forget adding Edwards as a super 6 man.

Pretending I mentioned Edwards or in anyway comparing the value of McDaniels to that of Edwards shows me any discussion you would have on the value of a trade involving Markkanen and McDaniels would be in bad faith.

[shangrila]

McDaniels? Come on now.

If you want to fill out the roster we’ve got expiring bench players and space under the tax to not have to match exactly. Hell, I’ll throw in some seconds too. But that’s it.

Asking for Vando is a stretch. Asking for McDaniels is a joke.

Don't forget adding Edwards as a super 6 man.

Pretending I mentioned Edwards or in anyway comparing the value of McDaniels to that of Edwards shows me any discussion you would have on the value of a trade involving Markkanen and McDaniels would be in bad faith.

There is no trade involving McDaniels and Markannen. Even here, in the land of make believe, is that not possible.

It’s the equivalent of me throwing out Williams’ name in a Beasley trade. Just wouldn’t happen.

[Colbinii]

McDaniels? Come on now.

If you want to fill out the roster we’ve got expiring bench players and space under the tax to not have to match exactly. Hell, I’ll throw in some seconds too. But that’s it.

Asking for Vando is a stretch. Asking for McDaniels is a joke.

Don't forget adding Edwards as a super 6 man.

Pretending I mentioned Edwards or in anyway comparing the value of McDaniels to that of Edwards shows me any discussion you would have on the value of a trade involving Markkanen and McDaniels would be in bad faith.

So McDaniels is significantly cheaper, a significantly better defender and has more potential/upside.

How exactly are Markkanen and McDaniels comparable?

I like Markkanen, but he doesn't actually have any value.

[Texas Chuck]

dennis signed with boston

[drosestruts]

Don't forget adding Edwards as a super 6 man.

Pretending I mentioned Edwards or in anyway comparing the value of McDaniels to that of Edwards shows me any discussion you would have on the value of a trade involving Markkanen and McDaniels would be in bad faith.

So McDaniels is significantly cheaper, a significantly better defender and has more potential/upside.

How exactly are Markkanen and McDaniels comparable?

I like Markkanen, but he doesn't actually have any value.

I mean all reports are the Bulls seem to be holding out completing any sign & trades while looking for a certain level of value back. This free agency period has been an odd one for the perception of Lauri Markkanen.

He's coming off a very efficient scoring season, you can say "all he does is score" but you should still recognize he does so at a highly efficient level.

I agree McDaniels is a better defender, yet Lauri does have the better defensive rating, defensive win shares, better rebounding numbers and percentages, and similar steal rates. Maybe Lauri's not the turnstile NBA fans seem to believe every European big man is.

Lauri is certainly a victim of the RFA rules and the fast-moving nature of free agency these days. Had he been an UFA I believe he would have found a contract quite easily.

As it stands, while the relationship seems broken, I do feel like Lauri's best path to a good payday is to play out the year on his qualifying offer. The Bulls added two playmakers in Ball and DeRozan who are better at setting up players than anyone they had on the roster in any of Markkanen's 4 years in Chicago. Lauri could put in another efficient scoring season )perhaps even more efficient), maybe boost the rebounding numbers and bit and put himself in position for a nice payday.

I mention McDaniels because reports have the Bulls front office clearly wanting a certain level of value for any Lauri sign and trade, and because a defensive forward is a clear need on the Bulls roster.

I'm not in any way trying to devalue or insult McDaniels or the Timberwolves.

I feel like many posters here are overlooking Lauri's abilities in favor of a narrative where he "has no value" which I think misses a lot of context in how we got to this current situation.

[Scoot McGroot]

Saw this on twitter regarding Lauri:

Read on Twitter

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….and yeah. Hard to be a positive overall at the 4 when you can’t really guard anyone, anywhere. His offense is the only thing keeping him in the discussion as an NBA player, and he’s had 1 really efficient year out of 4 seasons there. The defense is just really, really bad, and it’s hard to overcome.

[Mamba4Goat]

Pretending I mentioned Edwards or in anyway comparing the value of McDaniels to that of Edwards shows me any discussion you would have on the value of a trade involving Markkanen and McDaniels would be in bad faith.

So McDaniels is significantly cheaper, a significantly better defender and has more potential/upside.

How exactly are Markkanen and McDaniels comparable?

I like Markkanen, but he doesn't actually have any value.

I mean all reports are the Bulls seem to be holding out completing any sign & trades while looking for a certain level of value back. This free agency period has been an odd one for the perception of Lauri Markkanen.

He's coming off a very efficient scoring season, you can say "all he does is score" but you should still recognize he does so at a highly efficient level.

I agree McDaniels is a better defender, yet Lauri does have the better defensive rating, defensive win shares, better rebounding numbers and percentages, and similar steal rates. Maybe Lauri's not the turnstile NBA fans seem to believe every European big man is.

Lauri is certainly a victim of the RFA rules and the fast-moving nature of free agency these days. Had he been an UFA I believe he would have found a contract quite easily.

As it stands, while the relationship seems broken, I do feel like Lauri's best path to a good payday is to play out the year on his qualifying offer. The Bulls added two playmakers in Ball and DeRozan who are better at setting up players than anyone they had on the roster in any of Markkanen's 4 years in Chicago. Lauri could put in another efficient scoring season )perhaps even more efficient), maybe boost the rebounding numbers and bit and put himself in position for a nice payday.

I mention McDaniels because reports have the Bulls front office clearly wanting a certain level of value for any Lauri sign and trade, and because a defensive forward is a clear need on the Bulls roster.

I'm not in any way trying to devalue or insult McDaniels or the Timberwolves.

I feel like many posters here are overlooking Lauri's abilities in favor of a narrative where he "has no value" which I think misses a lot of context in how we got to this current situation.

For what it’s worth Minnesota probably values McDaniels the same as Chicago values Pat Williams. He’s a core piece and I’m relatively sure that if possible they’d even hold him out of Simmons trade talks and just add the necessary additional picks/assets.

[MoneyTalks41890]

Saw this on twitter regarding Lauri:

Read on Twitter

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….and yeah. Hard to be a positive overall at the 4 when you can’t really guard anyone, anywhere. His offense is the only thing keeping him in the discussion as an NBA player, and he’s had 1 really efficient year out of 4 seasons there. The defense is just really, really bad, and it’s hard to overcome.

I’m saying OKC is tanking anyway, throw out an SGA/Dort/Giddey/Poku/Lauri lineup. I’d watch that. And the offense would be fascinating. But they’d also give up 200 a game

[Scoot McGroot]

Saw this on twitter regarding Lauri:

Read on Twitter

?s=21

….and yeah. Hard to be a positive overall at the 4 when you can’t really guard anyone, anywhere. His offense is the only thing keeping him in the discussion as an NBA player, and he’s had 1 really efficient year out of 4 seasons there. The defense is just really, really bad, and it’s hard to overcome.

I’m saying OKC is tanking anyway, throw out an SGA/Dort/Giddey/Poku/Lauri lineup. I’d watch that. And the offense would be fascinating. But they’d also give up 200 a game

Does that do anything positive for the development of Giddey/Poku, and even SGA/Dort, though?

[MoneyTalks41890]

Saw this on twitter regarding Lauri:

Read on Twitter

?s=21

….and yeah. Hard to be a positive overall at the 4 when you can’t really guard anyone, anywhere. His offense is the only thing keeping him in the discussion as an NBA player, and he’s had 1 really efficient year out of 4 seasons there. The defense is just really, really bad, and it’s hard to overcome.

I’m saying OKC is tanking anyway, throw out an SGA/Dort/Giddey/Poku/Lauri lineup. I’d watch that. And the offense would be fascinating. But they’d also give up 200 a game

Does that do anything positive for the development of Giddey/Poku, and even SGA/Dort, though?

I think so, right? On offense they can do very interesting things. The team defense is just going to be trash. But the offensive end seems worth it.

[Godaddycurse]

Markkanen also cant rebound/is too soft.. maybe he can work next to someone like gobert?

[MoneyTalks41890]

For anyone watching SL, Shareef Cooper for ATL just put up a performance. I like that kid.