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[the_process]

OK, let's try a big one, three team trade with Indiana, Charlotte and 76ers

IND in: B. Simmons, M. Bridges, S. Curry, I. Joe (48.2 $)
IND out: M. Brogdon, D. Sabonis, J. Lamb (52 $), 2022 IND 1st rnd pick (top20 prot. or two 2nd round picks)

CHA in: D. Sabonis, J. Lamb (30.3 $)
CHA out: G. Hayward, M. Bridges, 2023 CHA 1st rnd pick (top20 prot., two 2nd rnd picks via Boston) (35.3 $)

PHI in: M. Brogdon, G. Hayward, 2022 IND 1st rnd pick (top20 prot.), 2023 CHA 1st rnd pick (top20 prot., two 2nd rnd picks via Boston) (51.6 $)
PHI out: B. Simmons, S. Curry, I. Joe (42.7 $)

That's not nearly enough. Two hurt guys who are above average when healthy and a bunch of 2nds.

If this was the best offer, Simmons would be a Sixer for a long time.

[eminence]

PHI gets CJ, Bridges, Saric, and unprotected POR 2024 1st
PHX gets Covington and Milton
POR gets Simmons and Thybulle

I like the base involving Thybulle in place of Green, but I think PHX needs more. I'm not sure I like involving Saric instead of Shamet to make salaries work.

Sarver definitely would, though.

That is fair, lol.

[realEAST]

OK, let's try a big one, three team trade with Indiana, Charlotte and 76ers

IND in: B. Simmons, M. Bridges, S. Curry, I. Joe (48.2 $)
IND out: M. Brogdon, D. Sabonis, J. Lamb (52 $), 2022 IND 1st rnd pick (top20 prot. or two 2nd round picks)

CHA in: D. Sabonis, J. Lamb (30.3 $)
CHA out: G. Hayward, M. Bridges, 2023 CHA 1st rnd pick (top20 prot., two 2nd rnd picks via Boston) (35.3 $)

PHI in: M. Brogdon, G. Hayward, 2022 IND 1st rnd pick (top20 prot.), 2023 CHA 1st rnd pick (top20 prot., two 2nd rnd picks via Boston) (51.6 $)
PHI out: B. Simmons, S. Curry, I. Joe (42.7 $)

That's not nearly enough. Two hurt guys who are above average when healthy and a bunch of 2nds.

If this was the best offer, Simmons would be a Sixer for a long time.

Do we know what the best offer is? Or will be? And it certainly doesn't seem that Simmons is going to be a 76ers for much longer now.

What has been reportedly been offered so far is Brogdon + prot. 1st rounder and CJ McCollum (+ pick maybe?). This deal gets you two of a kind

Listening to Zach Lowe and Marks, they proposed a deal with Toronto, that would send Dragic and OG Anunoby to 76ers for Simmons, as the best one they could come up with.
Not that they were that satisfied with it or thought it should get done, but that's the ballpark value in their opinion Simmons holds around the league.

Also, you made out being above average sound almost like a insult - those guys are among top50 players in the league according to a few recent lists, although both are in that 40-50 range.

[Saul Goodman]

heres an idea that very well would improve the 76ers




To Indy:
Ben Simmons

To Philly
Collin Sexton
Malcolm Brogdon
Mason Plumlee
2022 Indiana top 10 protected


To Charlotte
Myles Turner


To Cleveland
Kai Jones
Jt Thor
Shake Milton
2022 NO 1st






Follow up trade


To Toronto
Mason Plumlee
2022 Indy 1st


to Philly
Chris Boucher






Embiid/Drummond
Harris/Boucher
Thybulle/Green
Brogdon/Maxey
Sexton/Curry

[jscott]

OK, let's try a big one, three team trade with Indiana, Charlotte and 76ers

IND in: B. Simmons, M. Bridges, S. Curry, I. Joe (48.2 $)
IND out: M. Brogdon, D. Sabonis, J. Lamb (52 $), 2022 IND 1st rnd pick (top20 prot. or two 2nd round picks)

CHA in: D. Sabonis, J. Lamb (30.3 $)
CHA out: G. Hayward, M. Bridges, 2023 CHA 1st rnd pick (top20 prot., two 2nd rnd picks via Boston) (35.3 $)

PHI in: M. Brogdon, G. Hayward, 2022 IND 1st rnd pick (top20 prot.), 2023 CHA 1st rnd pick (top20 prot., two 2nd rnd picks via Boston) (51.6 $)
PHI out: B. Simmons, S. Curry, I. Joe (42.7 $)

That's not nearly enough. Two hurt guys who are above average when healthy and a bunch of 2nds.

If this was the best offer, Simmons would be a Sixer for a long time.

…sitting at home, eating up that salary cap.

[eminence]

heres an idea that very well would improve the 76ers




To Indy:
Ben Simmons

To Philly
Collin Sexton
Malcolm Brogdon
Mason Plumlee
2022 Indiana top 10 protected


To Charlotte
Myles Turner


To Cleveland
Kai Jones
Jt Thor
Shake Milton
2022 NO 1st






Follow up trade


To Toronto
Mason Plumlee
2022 Indy 1st


to Philly
Chris Boucher






Embiid/Drummond
Harris/Boucher
Thybulle/Green
Brogdon/Maxey
Sexton/Curry

The prospects fit a little weird in Cleveland, but at first glance I like this one pretty well.

[NYG]

I still like a 3-4 team deal that starts with Sexton, Markkanen, Osman and pick(s) for Simmons then branches off in a few possible different ways from there. I think Philly could flip Markkanen, Osman and pick(s) with Maxey to get another solid upgrade.

Who has the following value that could be had for Markkanen, Osman, Maxey and a combo of Cavs/76ers picks? Let's call him player X.

Sexton + Player X for Simmons + Maxey

[NYG]

I still like a 3-4 team deal that starts with Sexton, Markkanen, Osman and pick(s) for Simmons then branches off in a few possible different ways from there. I think Philly could flip Markkanen, Osman and pick(s) with Maxey to get another solid upgrade.

Who has the following value that could be had for Markkanen, Osman, Maxey and a combo of Cavs/76ers picks? Let's call him player X.

Sexton + Player X for Simmons + Maxey

Cleveland could even forward Simmons for some Kings package or T'Wolves package if they decide to just rebuild around Garland/Okoro/Mobley.

[eminence]

Markkanen/Osman/Maxey combined strike me as approximately neutral to very slightly positive value, I don't see any good targets.

[NYG]

What picks go where?

Dejounte Murray and Keldon Johnson to the Cavs for Ricky Rubio and Collin Sexton

Collin Sexton, Ricky Rubio and Al-Farouq Aminu to the Nuggets for Jamal Murray

Jamal Murray to the 76ers for Ben Simmons

Ben Simmons to the Spurs for Al-Farouq Aminu, Keldon Johnson and Dejounte Murray

[NYG]

Markkanen/Osman/Maxey combined strike me as approximately neutral to very slightly positive value, I don't see any good targets.

What about Buddy Hield? You're keeping Green and Thybulle in the process to mitigate the frustration of Hield and Sexton on D.

[shrink]

CJ McCollum with no all-star appearances = fringe all-star
Ben Simmons with three all-star appearances = fringe all-star too?

Like it's just silly to think this will convince anyone of your opinion.

What if they played in opposite conferences/ situations? There’s probably an argument to be made the McCollum would have at least one and Simmons may have less than 3.

D’Angelo Russell made it in the East in 2019. Gobert missed out in the talented West.

I would certainly put McCollum in the large chasm between those two, so I think you raise a legitimate point about All Star appearances.

[Myth]

I'm trying to think what the proper pick balance is for a CJ/Ben swap. 2 picks from POR? A pick and 2 swaps? Just one pick feels short to me.

I agree there. My big bugaboo is I don’t think Ben is happy in Portland long term. I think he would be happy short term because it isn’t Philly. Makes it hard to what to give up anything for him.

However, I think the right trade is somewhere toward the middle of what Portland is offering (CJ for Ben I think) and what Philly is asking (CJ + 3 picks + 3 Swaps).

I think the issue there is not all pick/swaps are equal.

The Nets was horrible because you were acquiring a 36 and 37 year old players and trading away future picks/swaps when those players would be approaching 40(assuming they still stayed in the league for you).

The Clippers have draft picks/swaps tied up thru the 2026 draft as part of the Paul George trade. That's a lot of uncertainty way down the line because they traded for Paul George in 2019. So you were committing the final draft pick in the trade almost SEVEN YEARS later from when you traded for the player.

If the Sixers did 2/2 with Portland. 2022 first/2023 swap

2022 Portland 1st - Maybe early 20s at best?
2023 Portland swap - Same position likely

I would even argue there's a pretty decent chance the 2023 swap doesn't even happen because Portland could have a better record than the Sixers in 2023.

So an early to mid 20s maybe even late 20s first isn't really much of a 'sweetener' in a 1 pick/1 swap deal with Portland.

You could possibly shift the picks/swaps further into the future. But how many GMs are going to trade/pass-up immediate help for something that won't happen for another 3 years? 4 years? 5 years?

It is worth noting that the Bulls have the 2022 Portland pick with protections on it. That means to trade one 1st with Phili, they are going to have to unprotect it, which teams often charge a 2nd for. So giving 76ers a pick means Portland unprotects the 2022 and likely trades a 2nd (not a big deal but that is Portland’s last remaining 2nd for quite a while). That also means 2024 is the pick 76ers get. Then 2026 and 2028 if they add one or 2 more. These later picks become more valuable (to the point that I don’t believe Portland should trade them unless for a no brainier deal) because Lillard will be about 36 and 38 at those times. 2024 itself is pretty dangerous if Ben forces his way out before his contract ends and Lillard also jumps ship, but I’d be willing to trade that one along with CJ for Simmons.

[the_process]

OK, let's try a big one, three team trade with Indiana, Charlotte and 76ers

IND in: B. Simmons, M. Bridges, S. Curry, I. Joe (48.2 $)
IND out: M. Brogdon, D. Sabonis, J. Lamb (52 $), 2022 IND 1st rnd pick (top20 prot. or two 2nd round picks)

CHA in: D. Sabonis, J. Lamb (30.3 $)
CHA out: G. Hayward, M. Bridges, 2023 CHA 1st rnd pick (top20 prot., two 2nd rnd picks via Boston) (35.3 $)

PHI in: M. Brogdon, G. Hayward, 2022 IND 1st rnd pick (top20 prot.), 2023 CHA 1st rnd pick (top20 prot., two 2nd rnd picks via Boston) (51.6 $)
PHI out: B. Simmons, S. Curry, I. Joe (42.7 $)

That's not nearly enough. Two hurt guys who are above average when healthy and a bunch of 2nds.

If this was the best offer, Simmons would be a Sixer for a long time.

…sitting at home, eating up that salary cap.

He’s doing that anyway. Sunk cost.

[basketballwacko2]

OK, let's try a big one, three team trade with Indiana, Charlotte and 76ers

IND in: B. Simmons, M. Bridges, S. Curry, I. Joe (48.2 $)
IND out: M. Brogdon, D. Sabonis, J. Lamb (52 $), 2022 IND 1st rnd pick (top20 prot. or two 2nd round picks)

CHA in: D. Sabonis, J. Lamb (30.3 $)
CHA out: G. Hayward, M. Bridges, 2023 CHA 1st rnd pick (top20 prot., two 2nd rnd picks via Boston) (35.3 $)

PHI in: M. Brogdon, G. Hayward, 2022 IND 1st rnd pick (top20 prot.), 2023 CHA 1st rnd pick (top20 prot., two 2nd rnd picks via Boston) (51.6 $)
PHI out: B. Simmons, S. Curry, I. Joe (42.7 $)

Indiana restructures their starting five to get a better fitting and higher ceiling squad. They get probably the best player in the deal, good and talented two way forward in Bridges, proficient shooting guard in Curry and a talented shooter in Joe. Also, they stay below lux tax and even shed some salary.

Hornets get a long term solution for their big man, a young All Star signed to a really team friendly deal. Sabonis should complement other core guys really well, while playing between athletic forwards - primairly Washington and to a lesser degree Oubre -  should cover up some of his defensive flaws. Lamb is a well known face, decent contributor who should provide reliable depth. They improve top level talent of a team and continue improving their long term core, while opening significant cap space for next two summers (over 20 mil next summer, and more the summer after that).

76ers end Simmons drama, coming out with two really talented and experienced vets who know how to win and are good locker room guys. They form good two way team with multiple offensive threats who should play well off each other, making offense more versatile and unpredictable, while being great fits around Embiid. Adding Brogdon, Milton emerging and having multiple young guards in the wings makes trading Curry easier decision (while already being a neccessary one, due to salary purposes). They also get two low level picks which convey if deal really works for other teams, otherwise they get slew of 2nd rounders.

S. Curry.............TJ McConnell......I. Joe
C. LeVert...........C. Duarte
B. Simmons......J. Holiday............T. Craig
M. Bridges........TJ Warren............O. Brissett
M. Turner..........G. Bitadze............I. Jackson

L. Ball......................I. Smith
T. Rozier.................J. Bouknight....S. Lewis
K. Oubre.................J. Lamb...........J.McDaniels
PJ Washington.......K. Jones..........JT Thor
D. Sabonis...............M. Plumlee......N. Richards

M. Brogdon.......T. Maxey............J. Springer
D. Green............S. Milton............F. Korkmaz
G. Hayward.......M. Thybull
T. Harris............G. Niang.............P. Reed
J. Embiid..........A. Drummond....F. Petrusev

Terrible for Indiana they give up the 2 best player in the trade and draft picks! Terrible.

[basketballwacko2]

heres an idea that very well would improve the 76ers




To Indy:
Ben Simmons

To Philly
Collin Sexton
Malcolm Brogdon
Mason Plumlee
2022 Indiana top 10 protected


To Charlotte
Myles Turner


To Cleveland
Kai Jones
Jt Thor
Shake Milton
2022 NO 1st






Follow up trade


To Toronto
Mason Plumlee
2022 Indy 1st


to Philly
Chris Boucher






Embiid/Drummond
Harris/Boucher
Thybulle/Green
Brogdon/Maxey
Sexton/Curry

No way am I trading Brogdon and Turner and #1 and ending up with Ben "I can't shoot" Simmons.

I wish the 76'ers would hurry up and do something about him and end this giant circle jerk.

[the_process]

OK, let's try a big one, three team trade with Indiana, Charlotte and 76ers

IND in: B. Simmons, M. Bridges, S. Curry, I. Joe (48.2 $)
IND out: M. Brogdon, D. Sabonis, J. Lamb (52 $), 2022 IND 1st rnd pick (top20 prot. or two 2nd round picks)

CHA in: D. Sabonis, J. Lamb (30.3 $)
CHA out: G. Hayward, M. Bridges, 2023 CHA 1st rnd pick (top20 prot., two 2nd rnd picks via Boston) (35.3 $)

PHI in: M. Brogdon, G. Hayward, 2022 IND 1st rnd pick (top20 prot.), 2023 CHA 1st rnd pick (top20 prot., two 2nd rnd picks via Boston) (51.6 $)
PHI out: B. Simmons, S. Curry, I. Joe (42.7 $)

That's not nearly enough. Two hurt guys who are above average when healthy and a bunch of 2nds.

If this was the best offer, Simmons would be a Sixer for a long time.

Do we know what the best offer is? Or will be? And it certainly doesn't seem that Simmons is going to be a 76ers for much longer now.

What has been reportedly been offered so far is Brogdon + prot. 1st rounder and CJ McCollum (+ pick maybe?). This deal gets you two of a kind

Listening to Zach Lowe and Marks, they proposed a deal with Toronto, that would send Dragic and OG Anunoby to 76ers for Simmons, as the best one they could come up with. Not that they were that satisfied with it or thought it should get done, but that's the ballpark value in their opinion Simmons holds around the league.

Also, you made out being above average sound almost like a insult - those guys are among top50 players in the league according to a few recent lists, although both are in that 40-50 range.

A lot of people are under the impression that Simmons has tanked his value down to nothing, and that the Sixers have to make a deal or they will be better off just moving on. All of which is false. The Sixers dumping Simmons does not benefit them in the slightest. It would be better to bring him back and deal with any headaches as they arise than dump him for guys who do not move the needle.

He has tanked his value, sure. Down to around Jrue Holiday range. That would be the CJ, 3 1sts, and 3 swaps deal.

[the_process]

heres an idea that very well would improve the 76ers




To Indy:
Ben Simmons

To Philly
Collin Sexton
Malcolm Brogdon
Mason Plumlee
2022 Indiana top 10 protected


To Charlotte
Myles Turner


To Cleveland
Kai Jones
Jt Thor
Shake Milton
2022 NO 1st






Follow up trade


To Toronto
Mason Plumlee
2022 Indy 1st


to Philly
Chris Boucher






Embiid/Drummond
Harris/Boucher
Thybulle/Green
Brogdon/Maxey
Sexton/Curry

No way am I trading Brogdon and Turner and #1 and ending up with Ben "I can't shoot" Simmons.

I wish the 76'ers would hurry up and do something about him and end this giant circle jerk.

Someone has to make a real offer first.

[zimpy27]

Minny get: Simmons+Milton

Philly get: Lillard+Layman

Blazers get: Beverley+Prince+MIN(22,24,26,28)FRPs+PHI(25,27)FRPs+MIN(23,25,27)swaps+PHI(24,26,28)swaps

[jscott]

That's not nearly enough. Two hurt guys who are above average when healthy and a bunch of 2nds.

If this was the best offer, Simmons would be a Sixer for a long time.

…sitting at home, eating up that salary cap.

He’s doing that anyway. Sunk cost.

….right.

So instead of unsinking that cost by getting some productivity/value you’d rather continue to stay sunk for the next 4 years?