Thoughts in General, Rumors, etc 5.0

[ejftw]

If Clippers put Mann on the block, what kind of offers could they realistically expect to get?

[Troubadour]

If Clippers put Mann on the block, what kind of offers could they realistically expect to get?

What do the Clippers need? Could definitely see the Raptors being interested

[giberish]

It makes sense though. They’re rapidly turning into a Joe Johnson-era Hawks team, although I’m pretty sure even those guys would get out of the 1st round.

They need a reset. Whoever that means trading, I don’t know, but to run this back in any way, shape or form is the literal definition of insanity.

Can trading either Mitchell or Gobert make Utah better?
I'm not sold it can.

So then is the plan to go from a 45-50 win team to a 40 win team for the sake of change? or try to drop down to a 25 win team and pick 6th?

Utah might be stuck where they are, but where they are is still a solid basketball team. I wouldn't go championship or bust if I was them.

{Now if the players go awol and the chemistry requires a trade well then it requires a trade. But I wouldn't just shake it up unless forced to.}

Utah was the 2nd oldest team in the league this year (behind only the Lakers). A 'stay the course' offseason will result in a decline. At this point there's no path for a direct upgrade for the Jazz. Their choices are a moderate decline as they age away from semi-relevance, a medium decline as the try for a partial reset that gets them back somewhere interesting 2-3 years down the road, or a severe decline in a full tank and rebuild.

If Utah was younger then a plan to stay the course until an interesting opportunity arose would be a good plan, but the Jazz have run out the clock on that and need to move on.

[Resistance]

Utah was the 2nd oldest team in the league this year (behind only the Lakers). A 'stay the course' offseason will result in a decline. At this point there's no path for a direct upgrade for the Jazz. Their choices are a moderate decline as they age away from semi-relevance, a medium decline as the try for a partial reset that gets them back somewhere interesting 2-3 years down the road, or a severe decline in a full tank and rebuild.

If Utah was younger then a plan to stay the course until an interesting opportunity arose would be a good plan, but the Jazz have run out the clock on that and need to move on.

I don't remember enough to provide a link, but supposedly somebody researched the Championship teams over the years in regards to the ages of the players and the minutes that they played.

The LAL and Utah rosters in the 2021-22 season and the expected MPG for each player would be outside the normal range for championship teams.

[ejftw]

If Clippers put Mann on the block, what kind of offers could they realistically expect to get?

What do the Clippers need? Could definitely see the Raptors being interested

Biggest need is a modern day backup five....I'd love a Nance type, or a true backup PG....

I don't think Clippers would openly put Mann on the block, but if the FO likes Coffey more, I could definitely see it and Mann having one more rookie year and a 2/20 to follow should have solid value

[babyjax13]

If Clippers put Mann on the block, what kind of offers could they realistically expect to get?

What do the Clippers need? Could definitely see the Raptors being interested

Biggest need is a modern day backup five....I'd love a Nance type, or a true backup PG....

I don't think Clippers would openly put Mann on the block, but if the FO likes Coffey more, I could definitely see it and Mann having one more rookie year and a 2/20 to follow should have solid value

Naz Reid?

[ejftw]

What do the Clippers need? Could definitely see the Raptors being interested

Biggest need is a modern day backup five....I'd love a Nance type, or a true backup PG....

I don't think Clippers would openly put Mann on the block, but if the FO likes Coffey more, I could definitely see it and Mann having one more rookie year and a 2/20 to follow should have solid value

Naz Reid?

I could live with that, but due to contractual situation, I think Clips FO would probably ask for something more, #40? Or maybe Naz+40+48+FSRP for Mann+43?

I'm just not sure what Mann's value is gauged around, but I believe it's higher than Naz?

And, like Dinwiddie, this is another move I'd be fine with, but expect most Clipper fans to hate

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[FNQ]

I really think ORL would be a great fit for a Gobert trade, and could do a lot to make ORL a legitimate playoff-lock going forward.

Admittedly I've forgotten tons of CBA/cap rules, but a 3 team deal where the Magic S&T Bamba to Utah, ship off WCJ to a 3rd team and give that value to Utah, and then add some pick compensation to finish it off.. could work out well for both teams. Bamba gives UTA a new defensive C to play with the team, I think WCJ could return some nice draft capital or a starting caliber PF, and then a couple lotto protected 1sts from ORL to finish it off.

Meanwhile ORL would then have the nightmarish defensive trio of Franz/Isaac/Gobert in the frontcourt, and would have Suggs/Anthony/Ross shouldering a lot of the load offensively (with Franz and Isaac also chipping in). And they'd also still retain their top 4-5 FRP this year, giving them a potential blue chipper big - if they got Paolo, wow - or an uber-athletic guard in Ivey.. they could go from early lotto team to high playoff seed in a year

all just a general idea at this point but I'd really like to see ORL make the push for Gobert, just to see that potentially monstrous defense

[shangrila]

What do the Clippers need? Could definitely see the Raptors being interested

Biggest need is a modern day backup five....I'd love a Nance type, or a true backup PG....

I don't think Clippers would openly put Mann on the block, but if the FO likes Coffey more, I could definitely see it and Mann having one more rookie year and a 2/20 to follow should have solid value

Naz Reid?

What are you giving up for him?

[shangrila]

I really think ORL would be a great fit for a Gobert trade, and could do a lot to make ORL a legitimate playoff-lock going forward.

Admittedly I've forgotten tons of CBA/cap rules, but a 3 team deal where the Magic S&T Bamba to Utah, ship off WCJ to a 3rd team and give that value to Utah, and then add some pick compensation to finish it off.. could work out well for both teams. Bamba gives UTA a new defensive C to play with the team, I think WCJ could return some nice draft capital or a starting caliber PF, and then a couple lotto protected 1sts from ORL to finish it off.

Meanwhile ORL would then have the nightmarish defensive trio of Franz/Isaac/Gobert in the frontcourt, and would have Suggs/Anthony/Ross shouldering a lot of the load offensively (with Franz and Isaac also chipping in). And they'd also still retain their top 4-5 FRP this year, giving them a potential blue chipper big - if they got Paolo, wow - or an uber-athletic guard in Ivey.. they could go from early lotto team to high playoff seed in a year

all just a general idea at this point but I'd really like to see ORL make the push for Gobert, just to see that potentially monstrous defense

I think that's way too many things that would need to fall right for this to happen. And if it doesn't? Then you've given up assets for what's probably a couple years of Gobert.

[babyjax13]

Biggest need is a modern day backup five....I'd love a Nance type, or a true backup PG....

I don't think Clippers would openly put Mann on the block, but if the FO likes Coffey more, I could definitely see it and Mann having one more rookie year and a 2/20 to follow should have solid value

Naz Reid?

What are you giving up for him?

The proposal was something around Terrence Mann for Naz Reid, and whatever salaries/assets are needed to balance.

[babyjax13]

I really think ORL would be a great fit for a Gobert trade, and could do a lot to make ORL a legitimate playoff-lock going forward.

Admittedly I've forgotten tons of CBA/cap rules, but a 3 team deal where the Magic S&T Bamba to Utah, ship off WCJ to a 3rd team and give that value to Utah, and then add some pick compensation to finish it off.. could work out well for both teams. Bamba gives UTA a new defensive C to play with the team, I think WCJ could return some nice draft capital or a starting caliber PF, and then a couple lotto protected 1sts from ORL to finish it off.

Meanwhile ORL would then have the nightmarish defensive trio of Franz/Isaac/Gobert in the frontcourt, and would have Suggs/Anthony/Ross shouldering a lot of the load offensively (with Franz and Isaac also chipping in). And they'd also still retain their top 4-5 FRP this year, giving them a potential blue chipper big - if they got Paolo, wow - or an uber-athletic guard in Ivey.. they could go from early lotto team to high playoff seed in a year

all just a general idea at this point but I'd really like to see ORL make the push for Gobert, just to see that potentially monstrous defense

I think that's directionally wrong for Orlando, and I'm not interested in lotto protected firsts and Bamba as a core part of the value for Rudy.

[Godaddycurse]

Naz Reid?

What are you giving up for him?

The proposal was something around Terrence Mann for Naz Reid, and whatever salaries/assets are needed to balance.

Mann is PPP so would need to get a 3rd team to take a Prince or Okogie S&T to match salary. Frankly i think wolves need reid more than mann

[shangrila]

Naz Reid?

What are you giving up for him?

The proposal was something around Terrence Mann for Naz Reid, and whatever salaries/assets are needed to balance.

Yeah I just caught that, was about to edit my post. I assumed you were talking from the Jazz's perspective.

Probably a good example of why I shouldn't post while I'm hungover.

[FNQ]

I really think ORL would be a great fit for a Gobert trade, and could do a lot to make ORL a legitimate playoff-lock going forward.

Admittedly I've forgotten tons of CBA/cap rules, but a 3 team deal where the Magic S&T Bamba to Utah, ship off WCJ to a 3rd team and give that value to Utah, and then add some pick compensation to finish it off.. could work out well for both teams. Bamba gives UTA a new defensive C to play with the team, I think WCJ could return some nice draft capital or a starting caliber PF, and then a couple lotto protected 1sts from ORL to finish it off.

Meanwhile ORL would then have the nightmarish defensive trio of Franz/Isaac/Gobert in the frontcourt, and would have Suggs/Anthony/Ross shouldering a lot of the load offensively (with Franz and Isaac also chipping in). And they'd also still retain their top 4-5 FRP this year, giving them a potential blue chipper big - if they got Paolo, wow - or an uber-athletic guard in Ivey.. they could go from early lotto team to high playoff seed in a year

all just a general idea at this point but I'd really like to see ORL make the push for Gobert, just to see that potentially monstrous defense

I think that's way too many things that would need to fall right for this to happen. And if it doesn't? Then you've given up assets for what's probably a couple years of Gobert.

I'm not sure what you mean, it would be all one transaction. I mean getting the transaction to work might be tough, but in theory once it happens then.. its done. If you're saying the combined value of WCJ/S&T Mamba/2 lotto protected 1sts is too risky for a guy like Gobert, I'd have to strongly disagree with that, especially since ORL is one of few teams with the defensive chops that could account for Gobert's less stellar perimeter defense