RGM's Top 20 Most Valuable Players - Final Results+Thoughts

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Kobe
9
23%
Ibaka
10
25%
Deron W.
7
18%
Bosh
3
8%
Dwight
11
28%
 
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Re: RGM's Top 20 Most Valuable Players - Final Results+Thoug 

Post#21 » by Ian Kognitow » Mon Feb 4, 2013 11:08 pm

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Kinger95 wrote:DWade is about 13 spots too low. Might not be putting up the same numbers now that lebrons there but he's still a superstar and would demand a lot more than the 13 players ahead of him in a trade


Given Wade's age, injury history, expensive contract, and that he would really only be of interest to present contenders (ones not willing to part with existing stars), there is a useful comparison for Wade's value: Vince Carter in '09 when he was traded to ORL.

Nets were looking to salary dump. Not a valid comparison.


What are you defining as a salary dump? Big-salaried star for big-salaried star deals rarely happen at all. Why would any team actually trade a star if not to manage salary or acquire younger prospects? It's not like the Nets were dealing purely for expirings -- they were acquiring the starting backcourt from a team just in the Finals, and Lee was considered an excellent prospect at that time (along the lines of, say, Kawhi Leonard now). That the Nets themselves wanted to deal a guy still putting up 21/5/5 and that there was a limited market for Carter in the first place ust goes to further show that >30-year-old guys taking up 25% or more of the entire salary cap tend to have less trade value than younger all-star level players with less cumbersome, even rookie-scale, contracts.
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Post#22 » by Troubadour » Mon Feb 4, 2013 11:11 pm

The Pistons would give up Drummond for Kobe, if you ask me. The Heat would also give up Wade for Kobe.
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Post#23 » by Trader_Joe » Tue Feb 5, 2013 4:28 pm

Ian Kognitow wrote:What are you defining as a salary dump? Big-salaried star for big-salaried star deals rarely happen at all. Why would any team actually trade a star if not to manage salary or acquire younger prospects? It's not like the Nets were dealing purely for expirings -- they were acquiring the starting backcourt from a team just in the Finals, and Lee was considered an excellent prospect at that time (along the lines of, say, Kawhi Leonard now). That the Nets themselves wanted to deal a guy still putting up 21/5/5 and that there was a limited market for Carter in the first place ust goes to further show that >30-year-old guys taking up 25% or more of the entire salary cap tend to have less trade value than younger all-star level players with less cumbersome, even rookie-scale, contracts.

It was as close to a salary dump as their could be.

Don't forget they also sent Ryan Anderson to Orlando. The Magic insisted on him for Lee. Otherwise the deal would have been just Alston and Battie for Carter.. both of whom were expiring trash. That was the end of the big contract for the Nets... Kidd was gone, RJ was shipping for Yi and Simmons and then VC. It was all about summer 2010.
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Post#24 » by Dr Positivity » Tue Feb 5, 2013 5:15 pm

Are we starting the worst contracts list?
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Post#25 » by Trader_Joe » Tue Feb 5, 2013 5:33 pm

Dr Positivity wrote:Are we starting the worst contracts list?

Should have that up tomorrow.
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Post#26 » by Dr Positivity » Tue Feb 5, 2013 7:45 pm

Good. #1 should be a lot more interesting than it looked not that long ago. Can't believe it, but I'm not voting Amar'e! #TeamTyrus
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Post#27 » by roc » Wed Feb 6, 2013 10:31 pm

Troubadour wrote:The Pistons would give up Drummond for Kobe, if you ask me. The Heat would also give up Wade for Kobe.

umm no, we wouldn't

Dre only makes 2mil we would still have to add a ton more to even get salaries to work and then would still have no shot at a Title and end up mortgaging our future in the process.

yea, would be a horrible setback
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Post#28 » by hadzi dogg » Fri Feb 15, 2013 9:26 pm

Troubadour wrote:The Pistons would give up Drummond for Kobe, if you ask me. The Heat would also give up Wade for Kobe.


The pistons for sure wouldn't.... Are you serious
Heat wouldn't either why would they risk it to bring a cancer to their team?

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