DET/GS Draft Night trade

NinjaSheppard · Post #21 » by **NinjaSheppard** » Sat Apr 12, 2014 5:23 pm

Barnes is one of the worst players in the league that is getting minutes. He has no actual basketball talent what so ever. There is nothing on the basketball court that he actually does well.

Post #22 » by **Trader_Joe** » Sat Apr 12, 2014 8:05 pm

Lee, Barnes
for
#8, Smith

Makes more sense IMO.

Smith could be a nice fit at PF on an uptempo team.
Lee would be a better fit than either Smith or Monroe next to Drummond and allows a Monroe S&T.

Jennings
KCP
Barnes
Lee
Drummond

Curry
Thompson
Iggy
Smith
Bogut

lakerhater · Post #23 » by **lakerhater** » Sat Apr 12, 2014 8:36 pm

Trader_Joe wrote:Lee, Barnes
for
#8, Smith

Makes more sense IMO.

Smith could be a nice fit at PF on an uptempo team.
Lee would be a better fit than either Smith or Monroe next to Drummond and allows a Monroe S&T.

Jennings
KCP
Barnes
Lee
Drummond

Curry
Thompson
Iggy
Smith
Bogut

I actually hate Smith's fit on GSW since he's an awful shooter, has a low bbiq and the Warriors need Lee's offense more then Smith's defense since they're already a strong defensive team that struggles when it's scorers are out of the lineup.

That being said if there's a player GSW likes at 8 I could see them biting the bullet and bringing Smith in despite how poorly he fits in the starting lineup.

One player I think the W's would be interested in if he slipped to 8th is Marcus Smart. He has enough size to guard SGs so he could pair with Curry for minutes as a backup combo guard.

Laimbeer · Post #24 » by **Laimbeer** » Sat Apr 12, 2014 11:32 pm

Trader_Joe wrote:Lee, Barnes
for
#8, Smith

Makes more sense IMO.

Smith could be a nice fit at PF on an uptempo team.
Lee would be a better fit than either Smith or Monroe next to Drummond and allows a Monroe S&T.

Jennings
KCP
Barnes
Lee
Drummond

Curry
Thompson
Iggy
Smith
Bogut

Lee>Smith. The #8 >>> Barnes. The value isn't quite there.

Post #25 » by **Trader_Joe** » Sat Apr 12, 2014 11:56 pm

Laimbeer wrote:
Trader_Joe wrote:Lee, Barnes
for
#8, Smith

Makes more sense IMO.

Smith could be a nice fit at PF on an uptempo team.
Lee would be a better fit than either Smith or Monroe next to Drummond and allows a Monroe S&T.

Jennings
KCP
Barnes
Lee
Drummond

Curry
Thompson
Iggy
Smith
Bogut

Lee>Smith. The #8 >>> Barnes. The value isn't quite there.

Much closer than the OP and at some point fit and chemistry has to be factored. Winning value would just be a bonus as you are improving fit and chemistry.

Laimbeer · Post #26 » by **Laimbeer** » Sun Apr 13, 2014 12:41 am

Trader_Joe wrote:
Laimbeer wrote:
Trader_Joe wrote:Lee, Barnes
for
#8, Smith

Makes more sense IMO.

Smith could be a nice fit at PF on an uptempo team.
Lee would be a better fit than either Smith or Monroe next to Drummond and allows a Monroe S&T.

Jennings
KCP
Barnes
Lee
Drummond

Curry
Thompson
Iggy
Smith
Bogut

Lee>Smith. The #8 >>> Barnes. The value isn't quite there.

Much closer than the OP and at some point fit and chemistry has to be factored. Winning value would just be a bonus as you are improving fit and chemistry.

Involve a third team.

Detroit gets Lee, Barnes, #17
GSW gets Josh Smith, #14, #26
PHO gets #8

Detroit gets Lee, Barnes, Martin
GSW gets Josh Smith, #13
Minnesota gets #8

lakerhater · Post #27 » by **lakerhater** » Sun Apr 13, 2014 1:17 am

Laimbeer wrote:
Trader_Joe wrote:
Laimbeer wrote:
Lee>Smith. The #8 >>> Barnes. The value isn't quite there.

Much closer than the OP and at some point fit and chemistry has to be factored. Winning value would just be a bonus as you are improving fit and chemistry.

Involve a third team.

Detroit gets Lee, Barnes, #17
GSW gets Josh Smith, #14, #26
PHO gets #8

Detroit gets Lee, Barnes, Martin
GSW gets Josh Smith, #13
Minnesota gets #8

13 or 14 likely doesn't produce a player GSW would desire over Barnes and Lee is a better fit for their current roster not to mention he has a more favorable contract so neither of these deals are likely to happen.

ImHeisenberg · Post #28 » by **ImHeisenberg** » Sun Apr 13, 2014 3:52 am

Coxy wrote:
MotownMadness wrote:Pretty simple Harrison Barnes for this years #8 from the Pistons. Warriors cap situation is really getting up there and they might not want to pay Barnes in a season or two. This would allow them to grab a prospect that can pay the rookie scale too for the next 4 years.

GS accepts. Oh my yes, GS accepts.

As they should. Only a moron would trade a top 10 pick in the deep 2014 draft for Barnes, who's only value to a team is whatever's left of his perceived "upside".

Post #29 » by **Trader_Joe** » Sun Apr 13, 2014 4:12 am

Laimbeer wrote:
Trader_Joe wrote:
Laimbeer wrote:
Lee>Smith. The #8 >>> Barnes. The value isn't quite there.

Much closer than the OP and at some point fit and chemistry has to be factored. Winning value would just be a bonus as you are improving fit and chemistry.

Involve a third team.

Detroit gets Lee, Barnes, #17
GSW gets Smith, #14, #26
PHO gets #8

Detroit gets Lee, Barnes, Martin
GSW gets Josh Smith, #13
Minnesota gets #8

Minny gets a screaming deal.
I'm not sure Martin moves you in a positive direction (esp with no salary coming back) in the draft, let alone from #13 to #8.
They need to add value and give it to GS (who loses both deals IMO)
Detroit pays light as well.

Just analyzed the first one. Pretty bad for the Suns.
14+17+26
For
8

I can see them combining the #14+17 or one of them with #26 and cap..but I can't see them going to the draft with 3 picks and end up with one pick. They may not get to #8, but they could come close. So maybe if the Suns were in love with someone they might get desperate enough but I doubt it happens.
Detroit is sucking major value out of the deal.

The premise that Smith + #8 have more value than Lee, Barnes is faulty IMO.
Lee >>> Smith
Lee is a much better player than Smith with a shorter contract.

#8>>Barnes
I think Barnes is worth about the #15 pick, so the difference is the negative effect of Smith vs. Lee..

Close,.but I still think Lee's neutral value is much better than Smith's poor value.
Barnes may have had a down year, but he's also very young. He was a #6 pick two drafts ago for a reason. The #8 is obviosuly worth more but I don't think the difference is as drastic.

At worst they are even.

old rem · Post #30 » by **old rem** » Sun Apr 13, 2014 4:31 am

lakerhater wrote:
Laimbeer wrote:
Trader_Joe wrote:Much closer than the OP and at some point fit and chemistry has to be factored. Winning value would just be a bonus as you are improving fit and chemistry.

Involve a third team.

Detroit gets Lee, Barnes, #17
GSW gets Josh Smith, #14, #26
PHO gets #8

Detroit gets Lee, Barnes, Martin
GSW gets Josh Smith, #13
Minnesota gets #8

13 or 14 likely doesn't produce a player GSW would desire over Barnes and Lee is a better fit for their current roster not to mention he has a more favorable contract so neither of these deals are likely to happen.

I'd agree. in this draft, the difference between 8 and 14 is significant...IMO...though...perhaps GSW sees some worth to the lower picks. Lee vs Smith? Lee is more $ for a couple years but has less years. Smith is a bit younger... bothe expire before being probably "over the hill" Smith ...as a PF... is good on D. That's his edge. He makes 3's but.. not with the % that you want him to shoot them often. Lee will score more, higher %, a bit better rebounder. More basketball IQ on offense. Put it together and it's close. For GSW...CONSISTENT is a key plus Lee brings. With Smith the + factor is better D.

MotownMadness · Post #31 » by **MotownMadness** » Sun Apr 13, 2014 4:56 am

Wow, I really had no idea Barnes was this bad. Feel dumb even making the trade proposal now, lol.

Lewis9DET · Post #32 » by **Lewis9DET** » Sun Apr 13, 2014 4:59 am

MotownMadness wrote:Wow, I really had no idea Barnes was this bad. Feel dumb even making the trade proposal now, lol.

barnes isn't that bad, its just he isnt worth a lotto pick anymore and his value is at a low now.. monroe s&t for barnes and a rookie deal player such as nedovic is still very much possible :wink:

lakerhater · Post #33 » by **lakerhater** » Sun Apr 13, 2014 11:51 pm

Lewis9DET wrote:
MotownMadness wrote:Wow, I really had no idea Barnes was this bad. Feel dumb even making the trade proposal now, lol.

barnes isn't that bad, its just he isnt worth a lotto pick anymore and his value is at a low now.. monroe s&t for barnes and a rookie deal player such as nedovic is still very much possible

No it's not. GSW doesn't want or need Monroe with Bogut already in place. GM isn't a defensive big so the Warriors have no interest in him.

Post #34 » by **theBigLip** » Tue Apr 15, 2014 5:14 pm

Trader_Joe wrote:Lee, Barnes
for
#8, Smith

Makes more sense IMO.

Smith could be a nice fit at PF on an uptempo team.
Lee would be a better fit than either Smith or Monroe next to Drummond and allows a Monroe S&T.

Jennings
KCP
Barnes
Lee
Drummond

Curry
Thompson
Iggy
Smith
Bogut

I like this, sort of. I think the #8 pick is too much, but I think Smith for Lee helps GSW, so maybe they just throw Barnes in to get the deal done? Pistons can give up a 2nd, but the #8 is a very valuable pick.

Post #35 » by **gswhoops** » Tue Apr 15, 2014 5:20 pm

MotownMadness wrote:Wow, I really had no idea Barnes was this bad. Feel dumb even making the trade proposal now, lol.

Barnes has been pretty spectacularly awful this year. I still hold out limited hope that he can pull his head out of his [please use more appropriate word] next year, but if someone offered us a top 10 pick in this class for him it would take about ten seconds for the GS front office to accept.

Golden Angel · Post #36 » by **Golden Angel** » Tue Apr 15, 2014 5:25 pm

Trader_Joe wrote:Lee, Barnes
for
#8, Smith

Makes more sense IMO.

Smith could be a nice fit at PF on an uptempo team.
Lee would be a better fit than either Smith or Monroe next to Drummond and allows a Monroe S&T.

Jennings
KCP
Barnes
Lee
Drummond

Curry
Thompson
Iggy
Smith
Bogut

Not that bad actually, as long as Josh Smith isn't shooting 3s

Curry/FA
Thompson/?
Iguodala/Anderson
Smith/Green
Bogut/Ezeli

Post #37 » by **gswhoops** » Tue Apr 15, 2014 5:30 pm

Golden Angel wrote:
Trader_Joe wrote:Lee, Barnes
for
#8, Smith

Makes more sense IMO.

Smith could be a nice fit at PF on an uptempo team.
Lee would be a better fit than either Smith or Monroe next to Drummond and allows a Monroe S&T.

Jennings
KCP
Barnes
Lee
Drummond

Curry
Thompson
Iggy
Smith
Bogut

Not that bad actually, as long as Josh Smith isn't shooting 3s

Curry/FA
Thompson/?
Iguodala/Anderson
Smith/Green
Bogut/Ezeli

I like the value of this trade, but our offense would become even more dependant on Curry and Klay shooting/hitting tons of 3's night in and night out, and that gives me pause. I'd probably do it anyway and see if the FO could fine Smith $1,000 every time he misses a shot from outside 15 feet.

Golden Angel · Post #38 » by **Golden Angel** » Tue Apr 15, 2014 5:35 pm

^ Lmao.

Yeah maybe you take Marcus Smart then, (if he's still there @ #8) for scoring, or Gary Harris, or even Vonleh(we need bigs who can score,rebound).

Anderson, while I love him, is just too similar to Iggy imo.

Post #39 » by **gswhoops** » Tue Apr 15, 2014 5:38 pm

Golden Angel wrote:^ Lmao.

Yeah maybe you take Marcus Smart then, (if he's still there @ #8) for scoring, or Gary Harris, or even Vonleh(we need bigs who can score).

I like Smart as a guy who can score and cover both guard positions, or Vonleh as a high upside big/eventual Bogut replacement project.

Blkbrd671 · Post #40 » by **Blkbrd671** » Tue Apr 15, 2014 11:41 pm

Trader_Joe wrote:Lee, Barnes
for
#8, Smith

Makes more sense IMO.

Smith could be a nice fit at PF on an uptempo team.
Lee would be a better fit than either Smith or Monroe next to Drummond and allows a Monroe S&T.

Jennings
KCP
Barnes
Lee
Drummond

Curry
Thompson
Iggy
Smith
Bogut

Beat me too it, i think this makes a lot of sense. While barnes is having a down year, he posses all the traits Detroit is looking for in their SF. Shooting ability, and ability to play defense. Right now there's not much at 8 that i'd really be too excited about in terms of Detroits need. Additionally Barnes has 2 years experience in the league which detroit needs much more than a wide eyed rook.

The incentive would be to get lee's shorter deal, and Lee's style of play is more of a compliment to both Moose and Dre's game. The only problem i can see detroit fans having is the diffence between #8 and Barnes, paying lee 15 mil for 2 years as oppose to paying smith 15 mil for 3.