Detroit Pistons Cap Space

[Smitty731]

Meant double counted in the sense that he had 2 cap holds, one for minimum one for his other

Got it! Yeah that was a goof. Great catch by both of you. Thanks again!

[Smitty731]

Updated OP on 6/2.

[JustinSane]

Somehow, my math is coming out a bit different. I'm getting 13,746,817 in real cap space.

Salary Cap of 63,200,000.00

Guaranteed Contracts:

Bynum - $2,915,908.00
KCP - $2,772,480.00
Datome - $1,750,000.00
Drummond - $2,568,360.00
Jennings - $8,000,000.00
Mitchell - $816,482.00
Singler - $1,090,000.00
Smith - $13,500,000.00
Jerebko (he opted in) 4,500,000.00
Total: $37,913,230

Salary Cap 63,200,000
Guaranteed Contracts - 37,913,230
Remaining Cap Space = 25,286,770

Other Holds/Charges
Siva: $816,482.00 exercising team option on second year
Monroe: $10,216,135 QO
Open Roster Charge $507,336 (10 under contract + Monroe's QO leaves one ORC)
Total other cap holds/charges: 11,539,953

Remaining Cap Space 25,286,770
Other Cap Holds/Charges -11,539,953
Real Cap Space =13,746,817

I'm not quite sure how we're getting different numbers though. I've triple checked the arithmetic on these.

Edit: Looks like maybe you're still counting the cap hold for the #8 pick that is going to Charlotte after the lottery? And 4 Open Roster Charges rather than 1? Makes up most of the difference, but leaves a bit that I can't figure out.

[Smitty731]

Somehow, my math is coming out a bit different. I'm getting 13,746,817 in real cap space.

You have to add in the two exceptions. The Room MLE for $2,732,00.00 and the BAE of $2,077,00.00. When a team is under the cap, their exceptions get added to their salary. This is a detail I learned after the fact and forgot a few times. Prior to adding those in, we got the exact same number. So, you were on the right track.

This link might be helpful from the CBA FAQ: http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q14

It helped me figured out the salaries for the Cap and the Tax Apron.

[JustinSane]

Thanks for the clarification. Why are we assuming that every team with meaningful cap space wouldn't renounce the exceptions though? The exceptions are less useful than raw cap space, so hanging on to them makes no sense. Is there any scenario when a team with more raw cap space than the total of their exceptions is better of keeping the exceptions rather than renouncing them?

[Smitty731]

Thanks for the clarification. Why are we assuming that every team with meaningful cap space wouldn't renounce the exceptions though? The exceptions are less useful than raw cap space, so hanging on to them makes no sense. Is there any scenario when a team with more raw cap space than the total of their exceptions is better of keeping the exceptions rather than renouncing them?

That is valid point. In the Maximum Cap Space #s I provided, that includes all exceptions renounced, as well as all draft rights, FAs, all non-guaranteed deals waived, and all options not picked up. Not overly realistic, since not all of that would like play out, but I wanted to give the picture anyway.

[JustinSane]

Thanks for the clarification. Why are we assuming that every team with meaningful cap space wouldn't renounce the exceptions though? The exceptions are less useful than raw cap space, so hanging on to them makes no sense. Is there any scenario when a team with more raw cap space than the total of their exceptions is better of keeping the exceptions rather than renouncing them?

That is valid point. In the Maximum Cap Space #s I provided, that includes all exceptions renounced, as well as all draft rights, FAs, all non-guaranteed deals waived, and all options not picked up. Not overly realistic, since not all of that would like play out, but I wanted to give the picture anyway.

Reading through the link you sent (thanks again for that), in the answer to question #26 it lists only the tax-payer and non-tax payer mid-level exemptions as creating a cap hold - the room mid level exemption is not listed. And given that the room mid level exemption would be wholly pointless if it was simply a more restricted version of cap space, it makes sense that the room mid level exemption can be used after the cap space has been filed up. Question #25 also also lists the BAE as being lost along with the taxpayer or non-taxpayer MLE if at team has, at any point, cap space exceeding the sum of the BAE, taxpayer or non-taxpayer MLE and any trade exemption.

The way I read it, if a team's cap space ever exceeds the total of their exemptions, they permanently lose that year's exemptions (trade exemption, BAE and tax or non-tax payer MLE) but gain the room mid level exemption, which can be used after they fill up their tax space. This makes sense, since otherwise the room MLE wouldn't have any purpose at all. Its intent seems to be to let teams with cap space spend up to the salary cap and then add a cheap player or two on a short (no longer than 2 year) contract to fill out the roster.

[Smitty731]

Reading through the link you sent (thanks again for that), in the answer to question #26 it lists only the tax-payer and non-tax payer mid-level exemptions as creating a cap hold - the room mid level exemption is not listed. And given that the room mid level exemption would be wholly pointless if it was simply a more restricted version of cap space, it makes sense that the room mid level exemption can be used after the cap space has been filed up. Question #25 also also lists the BAE as being lost along with the taxpayer or non-taxpayer MLE if at team has, at any point, cap space exceeding the sum of the BAE, taxpayer or non-taxpayer MLE and any trade exemption.

The way I read it, if a team's cap space ever exceeds the total of their exemptions, they permanently lose that year's exemptions (trade exemption, BAE and tax or non-tax payer MLE) but gain the room mid level exemption, which can be used after they fill up their tax space. This makes sense, since otherwise the room MLE wouldn't have any purpose at all. Its intent seems to be to let teams with cap space spend up to the salary cap and then add a cheap player or two on a short (no longer than 2 year) contract to fill out the roster.

I threw a question on the CBA board for clarification, but I think you are right as I re-read it too.

[verbal8]

Jerebko opted into his final year.

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-bas ... ext-season

[Smitty731]

Updated OP on 6/24 to reflect Jerebko opting in.

[Smitty731]

Updated OP on 7/1 to reflect current standing.

[Smitty731]

Updated OP on 7/3 to reflect signings of Cartier Martin and Jodie Meeks.

[Laimbeer]

Updated OP on 7/3 to reflect signings of Cartier Martin and Jodie Meeks.

[Smitty731]

Updated OP on 7/3 to reflect signings of Cartier Martin and Jodie Meeks.

Sorry man!

[Smitty731]

Updated OP on 7/8 to reflect signing of Aaron Gray.

[Laimbeer]

Updated OP on 7/8 to reflect signing of Aaron Gray.

What did you count for his salary?

[Smitty731]

Updated OP on 7/8 to reflect signing of Aaron Gray.

What did you count for his salary?

Minimum salary over a two year deal, so for 2014-2015 it is $1,227,985.00. I had trouble tracking it down, but I found an article somewhere that said they believe it to be a partially guaranteed minimum deal. And since it is a multi-year deal, it can't be for just the 2 year minimum of $915,243.00.

[Smitty731]

Updated OP on 7/10 with official Cap and Tax Apron Numbers.

[Smitty731]

Updated OP on 7/13 with updated numbers for Jodie Meeks.

[Smitty731]

Updated OP on 7/14 with signings of D.J. Augustin and Caron Butler.