Indiana Pacers 2015-2016 Cap Space

[basketballwacko2]

Can't help but think how much better off the Pacers would be if they had tanked after George's injury. Hibbert, West, and Hill all had an additional year on their deals and could have drawn picks back. George + top tier pick 2015 + other picks sounds better than #11 and players who are basically rentals now.

They still weren't bad enough to. They ended up with Hibbert playing poorly, West missing time, and Solo Hill as the team minutes leader. At worst they'd have been about as bad as maybe Charlotte, so that gets them up 2-3 spots.

True, I suppose it depends how thorough of a house cleaning they did. It could have gone beyond the three I mentioned. Just a thought.

I could not support a full tank such as NYK and Philly did. We might have traded Hibbert if the deal was right, but not West and George Hill. Both got injured early and that would have effected any return from the trades. We did see George Hill play great once he was fully healthy. The pacers will be fine in 2015-16 I think they'll challenge Cleveland for the best record. A lot depends on PG and how well we draft. Hibbert might still get traded if so what they get out of him is vital to the teams success.

[Austincys21]

Huh? That makes....no sense. Trade solid vets to add a solid vet? I get a trade of Hibbert for value. And if West wanted a trade and it made sense for us, sure (though with his age and impending retirement, I don't expect great offers). But Hill? He's only owed $8m per this year and next, and he's a REALLY good overall player at the PG position. No, not a pure PG, but he's definitely a keeper. And Green is only 1 year younger than Hill. So....again, why?

We'll see what you can get for an older West. I see Hill more as a 6th man. I say Danny Green because he's the best shooter in FA and they can use a solid SG.

Wait....Hill is the PG. Why couldn't you play him next to a Danny Green, theoretically? We also have CJ Miles, who is pretty solid at SG, too. No Danny Green, but likely at 25-40% of the cost (CJ only makes about $4m a year).

Again. Not sure what you're angle is. Trade the vets to sign other vets? Our vets that were major pieces to an ECF team that was a George Hill injury away from playing for a championship?

Trade Hibbert because he's lazy ! And trade West cause he's up in age... I'd say look at a package involving Hill to go after a 2nd star. Hill is decent but he's the 5th-6th best player on a chip team. The Pacers ain't going anywhere with this roster. It's obvious Hibbert and the Pacers ain't working and it's obvious West is about done and becoming a bench role player. Not sure why you think the current roster can contend with Clev. The Wiz, Bulls, and Hawks are all better teams.

If Indy can somehow add better depth I'll say they can contend but they don't and have no money

[Scoot McGroot]

We'll see what you can get for an older West. I see Hill more as a 6th man. I say Danny Green because he's the best shooter in FA and they can use a solid SG.

Wait....Hill is the PG. Why couldn't you play him next to a Danny Green, theoretically? We also have CJ Miles, who is pretty solid at SG, too. No Danny Green, but likely at 25-40% of the cost (CJ only makes about $4m a year).

Again. Not sure what you're angle is. Trade the vets to sign other vets? Our vets that were major pieces to an ECF team that was a George Hill injury away from playing for a championship?

Trade Hibbert because he's lazy ! And trade West cause he's up in age... I'd say look at a package involving Hill to go after a 2nd star. Hill is decent but he's the 5th-6th best player on a chip team. The Pacers ain't going anywhere with this roster. It's obvious Hibbert and the Pacers ain't working and it's obvious West is about done and becoming a bench role player. Not sure why you think the current roster can contend with Clev. The Wiz, Bulls, and Hawks are all better teams.

If Indy can somehow add better depth I'll say they can contend but they don't and have no money

Ok, then. Tell me how to trade Hill for a 2nd star.

The reason I think we can make one more run in the East? It's largely the same team that went 56-26 2 years ago, subbing in CJ/Stuckey (probably Stuckey sticks around) for Lance. And while that may seem like a downgrade to some people, it's at least equal, if not a big upgrade overall when chemistry and flow is involved. Add in that Hill has been dynamite for us at PG with the ball in his hand, something not possible with Lance playing (played only 43 games, but we went 26-17 in games he played, 12-27 in games he missed), and we're adding a lotto pick this year, and I just don't feel so bad about the team.

[Texas Chuck]

Do the Pacers have a TPE left from the Hibbert deal?

[Smitty731]

Do the Pacers have a TPE left from the Hibbert deal?

Nope. They went under the Cap, so no TPE.

[Knosh]

Do the Pacers have a TPE left from the Hibbert deal?

Pretty sure they don't. They were operating under the cap (signing Ellis for example) and are over the cap now. No way to do that while keeping a TPE from the Hibbert trade.

[Texas Chuck]

Thanks guys. Wasn't sure the exact order all their official moves were made in nor how much space they started with.

[Smitty731]

I double checked to make sure and definitely no TPE. As Knocsh said, in order to get Ellis and others in, they were under the Cap.

[Scoot McGroot]

I double checked to make sure and definitely no TPE. As Knocsh said, in order to get Ellis and others in, they were under the Cap.

No matter what, no TPE remains, but they technically could've operated to have a temporary TPE (though the moves could've happened with cap space as well). We signed Ellis using the cap space from West opting out, then dealt Hibbert. We acquired Budinger using either TPE or cap space, then had to renounce any TPE's we had to re-sign Stuckey (no Bird Rights whatsoever on him), sign Jordan Hill, signed GR3, Joe Young, and Rakeem Christmas to 3 and 4 year deals, respectively, using cap space, then finally went over the cap to re-sign Lavoy Allen.

So, long story short, no TPE could remain, as we would've had to renounce it to sign Hill, Stuckey, the young guys, and acquire Budinger.