your offers for: (bky) joe johnson---brooke lopez----thad young

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Re: your offers for: (bky) joe johnson---brooke lopez----thad young 

Post#21 » by Coeur » Thu Jan 21, 2016 2:35 am

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Yeah, I don't see that happening for a number of reasons from Minnesota's side. Plus, that deal doesn't work salary-wise so it's dead without having to argue on the wisdom of trading for a player with a scary injury history who is on a very large contract (which technically applies to both Pek and Lopez and it would be a mistake to trade young talent for either).

What reasons? Lavine has that kind of value? Brook Lopez plus unloading pek (who don't people think might have terrible contract that you'd have to pay to unload?)


Minnesota really likes LaVine and he fits age wise with Wiggins/Towns, so moving him for a high risk center is more of a gamble than the Wolves should be taking at this point. A second reason is that the Wolves have Towns and Dieng at center (and Pek in limited minutes), so adding Lopez doesn't really address an area of need. In addition, I think there is a pretty good chance the Wolves end up drafting another PF or C with their top 5 pick which would make the front court even more crowded and means there is even less reason to acquire Lopez. A third reason is that while Pek is still a negative contract, there is some hope that he can play himself back closer to neutral value (much as Lopez did after his last injury), so trading for another center with an equally bad injury history who is making $19.5M more over the next two years doesn't seem like a wise choice.
awesome response/explanation. I kinda see your point but my snap reaction says that's a huge steal to get brook Lopez for Lavine and when you throw getting out of pekovic then it seems like stealing. And it doesn't matter ages when you get Steals in trade you just take them.

How would you people compare cj McCollum and Lavine in a trade? Could Portland offer McCollum for brook Lopez?
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Post#22 » by wolves_89 » Thu Jan 21, 2016 2:47 am

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Coeur wrote:What reasons? Lavine has that kind of value? Brook Lopez plus unloading pek (who don't people think might have terrible contract that you'd have to pay to unload?)


Minnesota really likes LaVine and he fits age wise with Wiggins/Towns, so moving him for a high risk center is more of a gamble than the Wolves should be taking at this point. A second reason is that the Wolves have Towns and Dieng at center (and Pek in limited minutes), so adding Lopez doesn't really address an area of need. In addition, I think there is a pretty good chance the Wolves end up drafting another PF or C with their top 5 pick which would make the front court even more crowded and means there is even less reason to acquire Lopez. A third reason is that while Pek is still a negative contract, there is some hope that he can play himself back closer to neutral value (much as Lopez did after his last injury), so trading for another center with an equally bad injury history who is making $19.5M more over the next two years doesn't seem like a wise choice.
awesome response/explanation. I kinda see your point but my snap reaction says that's a huge steal to get brook Lopez for Lavine and when you throw getting out of pekovic then it seems like stealing. And it doesn't matter ages when you get Steals in trade you just take them.


I guess our difference is I don't see it as a steal, I see it as a high risk move that doesn't fit with Minnesota's developmental timeline. Granted Lopez makes the Wolves better for the next year or two, but the Wolves should be planning moves based on how they affect the team 3-5 years down the road (when the Towns/Wiggins combo has had time to develop). Having Lopez for the Towns/Wiggins developmental years is much less valuable than having LaVine during the time-frame when the Wolves could be contending.
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Post#23 » by Coeur » Thu Jan 21, 2016 4:11 am

I do like Lavine a whole lot and get that brook Lopez might not be right but Lopez has big value. If it's way lower Brooklyn should never trade him. They need good players.

Seems a no brainier that the nets have to trade joe Johnson. They should get 2 or 3 guys that could help them
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Post#24 » by wolves_89 » Thu Jan 21, 2016 7:19 am

Coeur wrote:I do like Lavine a whole lot and get that brook Lopez might not be right but Lopez has big value. If it's way lower Brooklyn should never trade him. They need good players.

Seems a no brainier that the nets have to trade joe Johnson. They should get 2 or 3 guys that could help them


I would agree Lopez has value, it's just he really needs to go to a win now team.
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Post#25 » by bigg mike » Thu Jan 21, 2016 2:58 pm

Brook for Matthews or Parsons.
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Post#26 » by gom » Thu Jan 21, 2016 11:10 pm

shagadelic45 wrote:if miami is willing to pay the added tax....sounds good


Just to follow up... I put this trade to the Heat fans on our forum (you are welcome anytime to post there, by the way), and everyone hated it. They want to keep Deng and are not very happy about trading for Joe Cool. On the other hand, there is a lot of ignorance about how well he has played in January, so that's a good counter-argument.

In reality, though, I don't see the Heat doing a deal like this. It's more likely we just dump Andersen on another team (will cost a second round pick and some cash) and waive one of our young players (Richardson or Stokes), both of whom should get picked up. I hope to get surprised, but I'm not hopeful. On other news, McRoberts is listed as Questionable for Friday... FINALLY!

Anyway, good luck!
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Post#27 » by Prokorov » Thu Jan 21, 2016 11:26 pm

rio_hm wrote:Johnson is the only one that is surely is made available by Brooklyn. The idea of trade between Brooklyn and Miami is nice too but would be better with a bit of twist.
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i think the exact opposite is true. i think johnson is the only one not available. him expiring and the cap space that comes with it is more valuable then brook and especially thad.

i dont think johnson gets moved, unless its for someones elses 100% expirings
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Post#28 » by DeathLineup » Fri Jan 22, 2016 12:55 am

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rio_hm wrote:Johnson is the only one that is surely is made available by Brooklyn. The idea of trade between Brooklyn and Miami is nice too but would be better with a bit of twist.
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i think the exact opposite is true. i think johnson is the only one not available. him expiring and the cap space that comes with it is more valuable then brook and especially thad.

i dont think johnson gets moved, unless its for someones elses 100% expirings


Prokhorov irrationally said that he wants Brooklyn to contend for championship next season. So there is no way he would make his two best players available right now. The options are to let Johnson contract expires then targets marquee free agents or trade Johnson for a good player before the deadline.
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Re: your offers for: (bky) joe johnson---brooke lopez----thad young 

Post#29 » by shagadelic45 » Fri Jan 22, 2016 9:41 pm

gom wrote:
shagadelic45 wrote:if miami is willing to pay the added tax....sounds good


Just to follow up... I put this trade to the Heat fans on our forum (you are welcome anytime to post there, by the way), and everyone hated it. They want to keep Deng and are not very happy about trading for Joe Cool. On the other hand, there is a lot of ignorance about how well he has played in January, so that's a good counter-argument.

In reality, though, I don't see the Heat doing a deal like this. It's more likely we just dump Andersen on another team (will cost a second round pick and some cash) and waive one of our young players (Richardson or Stokes), both of whom should get picked up. I hope to get surprised, but I'm not hopeful. On other news, McRoberts is listed as Questionable for Friday... FINALLY!

Anyway, good luck!




ok, thought heat fans would like it......
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boston and brooklyn 

Post#30 » by shagadelic45 » Fri Jan 22, 2016 9:54 pm

bos trades: david lee, evan turner, jared sullinger, returns: rights to swap bky 2017 pick



nets trade: joe johnson, willie reed, markel brown


boston upgrades at the wing without hurting future cap....nets gain back a #1 swap for the better
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boston and brooklyn 

Post#31 » by shagadelic45 » Fri Jan 22, 2016 10:04 pm

bos trades: david lee, jonas jerebko, rights to 2017 pick swap



bky trades: joe johnson, willie reed


celtics add wing depth and scoring to the second unit for little or nothing.....nets get back their 2017 pick without effecting future cap

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Post#32 » by Trader_Joe » Fri Jan 22, 2016 10:05 pm

I'm going to make a poll on your threads from now.

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Re: boston and brooklyn 

Post#33 » by Homerclease » Fri Jan 22, 2016 10:09 pm

Celtics give up their chance at Tatum/Giles/Jackson for a rental of the corpse of Joe? Lock this up
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nets and bulls 

Post#34 » by shagadelic45 » Fri Jan 22, 2016 10:10 pm

chi trades: joakim noah, derek rose, etwaun moore, 2016 #1 (sac)


bky trades: joe johnson, shane larkin, boran bogdanovic


nets take a chance on rose...bulls reboot and clear capspace and get under the lux tax
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Post#35 » by gom » Sat Jan 23, 2016 12:19 am

shagadelic45 wrote:chi trades: joakim noah, derek rose, etwaun moore, 2016 #1 (sac)


bky trades: joe johnson, shane larkin, boran bogdanovic


nets take a chance on rose...bulls reboot and clear capspace and get under the lux tax


Why do you keep posting these insane proposals? You're getting a 2016 first from Sacramento for what exactly? Chicago won't trade Derek Rose for any of these players.

Is this a water on stone approach? Do you think you'll wear everyone down and by osmosis weaken the minds of actual GMs?
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Post#36 » by Lovetron Joe » Sat Jan 23, 2016 1:17 am

shagadelic45 wrote:what would you offer for any of the nets: lopez and/or young and/or johnson??????? 1, 2 or all 3!!!

any other players on the roster can be added, but no picks nets don't have any to spare!



Philly offers 2016 OKC 1st for Young. Philly gets a player that formerly played there, and was loved by the fans, who can play SF and PF. Character guy who hustles. Solid influence on younger players.

BKY gets salary cap relief and a late 1st.
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Post#37 » by Austincys21 » Sat Jan 23, 2016 1:21 am

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gom wrote:Deng, McRoberts, and Andersen for Joe Johnson

http://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/6650412

Miami can add a 2nd (2017:31-40, 2018 (if ATL ges 2017))

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=p6l6dvj

Brooklyn saves $4.2M in salary and goes beneath the luxury tax line.
Miami cannot resign Deng anyhow. Green & Winslow will have to share SF duties.


Interesting, but what's the tax issues for Miami this season?



I can see why the Heat do this but BK is basically taking McRoberts contract as everyone is going to be FA. So unless BK wants McRob for the future I'm not sure why they do it.
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Post#38 » by Austincys21 » Sat Jan 23, 2016 1:23 am

gom wrote:
shagadelic45 wrote:chi trades: joakim noah, derek rose, etwaun moore, 2016 #1 (sac)


bky trades: joe johnson, shane larkin, boran bogdanovic


nets take a chance on rose...bulls reboot and clear capspace and get under the lux tax


Why do you keep posting these insane proposals? You're getting a 2016 first from Sacramento for what exactly? Chicago won't trade Derek Rose for any of these players.

Is this a water on stone approach? Do you think you'll wear everyone down and by osmosis weaken the minds of actual GMs?



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