Can somebody please explain why Nikola Vucevic trade value is so low?

[Lovetron Joe]

At this point in his career, Vuc would look terrific with a shot blocker like Noel beside him. I think the Sixers/Magic will make a move.

[j-ragg]

Can't defend. Not efficient enough to be a go-to guy.


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[BeesWax]

Not sure why is isn't valued a little more because with some work he has what you want from a center.

[DaddyCool19]

Below average defender at best, bad rim protector and can't get to the free throw line to save his life.

[R-DAWG]

At this point in his career, Vuc would look terrific with a shot blocker like Noel beside him. I think the Sixers/Magic will make a move.

Not to switch topics here, but if Orlando offered you their pick this year (#11) for Noel would you take it?

If not, what would you take from Orlando to make the deal?

Maybe an Oladipo for Noel swap would make sense.

The real problem with Orlando's assets is that most of them (Gordon, Payton, Hezonja) are going to be traded based on future potential not current production. It's much harder to overpay for future potential when a player is on the back half of his rookie deal.

[Lovetron Joe]

At this point in his career, Vuc would look terrific with a shot blocker like Noel beside him. I think the Sixers/Magic will make a move.

Not to switch topics here, but if Orlando offered you their pick this year (#11) for Noel would you take it?

If not, what would you take from Orlando to make the deal?

Maybe an Oladipo for Noel swap would make sense.

The real problem with Orlando's assets is that most of them (Gordon, Payton, Hezonja) are going to be traded based on future potential not current production. It's much harder to overpay for future potential when a player is on the back half of his rookie deal.

Really would depend on if a player they liked slid to 11. Wade Baldwin (12 in DEx mock) would probably be there. He and Hezonja would work for me. Would balance Sixers roster and might help bring his friend Saric over.

[coordinator0]

At this point in his career, Vuc would look terrific with a shot blocker like Noel beside him. I think the Sixers/Magic will make a move.

Who guards power forwards/switches on the perimeter though? Vucevic can't and if you put Noel there that's taking him away from protecting the rim. With the way the NBA is going that kind of pairing isn't a great option anymore. I still really like NIkola as a player, but it's going to take a very particular scheme on the defensive side of the ball to get the most value out of him these days.

[nybluemeadow]

I just don't get it, yes he has limited defensive potential but I also don't think he has been coached up very well. I'd never trade Vuc this season based on the way this board views him... Some people are calling him a bench player, have you guys seen some of the Centers in this league? The kid is:

25 years old
On a great contract
Scores 18 pts a games
grabs 9/10 rebounds a game (career)

Look what Vogel did for Hibbert, I'm giving Vuc time under him and I strongly urge that you guys watch him actually play this season then maybe some of these trades will make more sense.

-Empty stats guy. 18ppg but zero wins

-Bad defender, not a rim protector

-Not a hustle guy, no intangibles

-Not a #1, not even a #2, but gets paid like a #1

-Plays 90s style basketball in the 2000s. Like Hibbert and Lopez the game has changed and the big lumbering center is now useless.

[12buckets]

Greg Monroe had trouble finding a job last season, and when he did he tanked a team that had made the playoffs the year before back into the lottery.

Al Jeffersons team took off when he was taken out of the rotation

Brook Lopez team had the third worst record in the league with him as the featured player

Heck, even Demarcus Cousins hasn't played a playoff game yet.

The league is just in a different place right now. Player like Vuc just aren't what they used to be.

[R-DAWG]

At this point in his career, Vuc would look terrific with a shot blocker like Noel beside him. I think the Sixers/Magic will make a move.

Not to switch topics here, but if Orlando offered you their pick this year (#11) for Noel would you take it?

If not, what would you take from Orlando to make the deal?

Maybe an Oladipo for Noel swap would make sense.

The real problem with Orlando's assets is that most of them (Gordon, Payton, Hezonja) are going to be traded based on future potential not current production. It's much harder to overpay for future potential when a player is on the back half of his rookie deal.

Really would depend on if a player they liked slid to 11. Wade Baldwin (12 in DEx mock) would probably be there. He and Hezonja would work for me. Would balance Sixers roster and might help bring his friend Saric over.

But why would Orlando trade 2 cost controlled guys with upside for a guy they have to pay big money to?

[Lovetron Joe]

Not to switch topics here, but if Orlando offered you their pick this year (#11) for Noel would you take it?

If not, what would you take from Orlando to make the deal?

Maybe an Oladipo for Noel swap would make sense.

The real problem with Orlando's assets is that most of them (Gordon, Payton, Hezonja) are going to be traded based on future potential not current production. It's much harder to overpay for future potential when a player is on the back half of his rookie deal.

Really would depend on if a player they liked slid to 11. Wade Baldwin (12 in DEx mock) would probably be there. He and Hezonja would work for me. Would balance Sixers roster and might help bring his friend Saric over.

But why would Orlando trade 2 cost controlled guys with upside for a guy they have to pay big money to?

Noel is more of a proven player than either of the cost controlled guys. He just turned 22 last month and his game and body are still developing. He still has a lot of upside. There is Risk either way. Risk of resigning him (as a RFA it is diminished) versus risk that cost controlled young players do not turn out.

[orlando_joe]

Really would depend on if a player they liked slid to 11. Wade Baldwin (12 in DEx mock) would probably be there. He and Hezonja would work for me. Would balance Sixers roster and might help bring his friend Saric over.

But why would Orlando trade 2 cost controlled guys with upside for a guy they have to pay big money to?

Noel is more of a proven player than either of the cost controlled guys. He just turned 22 last month and his game and body are still developing. He still has a lot of upside. There is Risk either way. Risk of resigning him (as a RFA it is diminished) versus risk that cost controlled young players do not turn out.

what has he proven? that his stats leveled out? that he played for a 10 win team? that he makes a team better? ....his team won 10 games....10 games...don't see what he proved

[TKainZero]

Teams are trying get Centers who are Defensive anchors and use the "PF" spot as a floor spacer.

Vuc isn't a defensive anchor, and cannot match up on defenses vs "PF"s, while he can stretch the floor (but not really out to 3pt range)
Thus, in the modern NBA, he seems to be a player without a position. Not that he cannot be an integral part to a championship level team (see Kanter, OKC) but that most NBA teams are wanting something else from their starting center.

People want a Run, Jump, and Dunk center.
Not a Post, pivot, and play center.

Vooch is very talented, and, with his talents being undervalued right now, he is a good buy low candidate if you want to utilize him.

[K_chile22]

No good coaching? Skiles has many flaws but he is EXCELLENT at getting young talent to play good defense. If he couldn't do much with Vuc not many can


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[Texas Chuck]

what has he proven? that his stats leveled out? that he played for a 10 win team? that he makes a team better? ....his team won 10 games....10 games...don't see what he proved

This is meaningless obviously. Durant's team won 20 and 23 games his first two seasons. It was also obvious he had star written all over him.

Now I'm not comparing Noel to Durant, but I am saying that judging everything based on team record is just an approach likely to lead to false conclusions.

[orlando_joe]

pau gasol could not play d...he won a couple rings..they have similar games...as 2nd or 3rd option like he is paid...really paid more like 5th or 6th option...his value on this board is under-rated .also pretty sure if he played for la or Chicago his free throws would be 6-8 a game easy...lol..not sure it is by REAL GMS...lol

[Golabki]

pau gasol could not play d...he won a couple rings..they have similar games...as 2nd or 3rd option like he is paid...really paid more like 5th or 6th option...his value on this board is under-rated .also pretty sure if he played for la or Chicago his free throws would be 6-8 a game easy...lol..not sure it is by REAL GMS...lol

Gaol doesn't play any D now, but peak Gasol was a decent defensive center. He was also a MUCH better passer and overall offensive player than Vuc.

He wasn't the 2nd or 3rd option. He was clearly the second best player, and arguably the the MVP of the 2nd finals teams. Prior to getting to LAL he was a guy that single handedly carried teams to the playoffs in the best.

[orlando_joe]

pau gasol could not play d...he won a couple rings..they have similar games...as 2nd or 3rd option like he is paid...really paid more like 5th or 6th option...his value on this board is under-rated .also pretty sure if he played for la or Chicago his free throws would be 6-8 a game easy...lol..not sure it is by REAL GMS...lol

Gaol doesn't play any D now, but peak Gasol was a decent defensive center. He was also a MUCH better passer and overall offensive player than Vuc.

He wasn't the 2nd or 3rd option. He was clearly the second best player, and arguably the the MVP of the 2nd finals teams. Prior to getting to LAL he was a guy that single handedly carried teams to the playoffs in the best.

wow...I seem to remember nickname putty and soft as butter with gasol ...but ok

[K_chile22]

pau gasol could not play d...he won a couple rings..they have similar games...as 2nd or 3rd option like he is paid...really paid more like 5th or 6th option...his value on this board is under-rated .also pretty sure if he played for la or Chicago his free throws would be 6-8 a game easy...lol..not sure it is by REAL GMS...lol

Gasol was much better than Vuc offensively, didn't play center very often, and could actually defend the rim a little bit


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[Golabki]

pau gasol could not play d...he won a couple rings..they have similar games...as 2nd or 3rd option like he is paid...really paid more like 5th or 6th option...his value on this board is under-rated .also pretty sure if he played for la or Chicago his free throws would be 6-8 a game easy...lol..not sure it is by REAL GMS...lol

Gaol doesn't play any D now, but peak Gasol was a decent defensive center. He was also a MUCH better passer and overall offensive player than Vuc.

He wasn't the 2nd or 3rd option. He was clearly the second best player, and arguably the the MVP of the 2nd finals teams. Prior to getting to LAL he was a guy that single handedly carried teams to the playoffs in the best.

wow...I seem to remember nickname putty and soft as butter with gasol ...but ok

The Memphis teams that made the playoffs in 05 and 06 were top 5 defensive teams. The lakers teams that made the finals 3 straight years were also very good defensive teams with Gasol playing center to close out games. It wasn't because Gasol was a great defender, but he was clearly good enough.