Portland early offseason in review (HW/bondom34/dbrandon/Slava/DeBlazerRiddem)

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Re: Portland early offseason in review (HW/bondom34/dbrandon/Slava) 

Post#21 » by Texas Chuck » Wed Aug 17, 2016 10:46 pm

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giberish wrote:Portland was also unusually healthy last year. A more average injury season and they drop a few more games. It's very plausible that Portland is a 'better' team but has worse results than last year (similar win total, lower playoff seeding and 1st round loss).


This is true too. Dont know how many would agree with me, but lamarcus' last year in portland, I thought had they stayed healthy. They were a contender. Started out 30-8 before their usual 2nd half of the season collapse.



It wasn't a collapse as much as it was having no healthy wings to speak of.
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Post#22 » by KqWIN » Wed Aug 17, 2016 11:24 pm

Just curious, has anyone gotten a bad grade yet?
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Post#23 » by HartfordWhalers » Thu Aug 18, 2016 12:07 am

KqWIN wrote:Just curious, has anyone gotten a bad grade yet?


My grades so far:

GS: A+

Dallas: A
Miami: A

Charlotte: A-

Memphis: B+

LAC: B (Short term A/A- long term D)

Atlanta: C+
New Orleans: C+
Orlando: C+

Washington: C

Houston: C-
San Antonio: C-

4 A's, 2 B's, 6 C's.

I won't spoil it and will disguise the team name, but the L*k*rs get an F within the next week for instance.

Right now I have as many C and below as B and above, which feels about right.
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Re: Portland early offseason in review (HW/bondom34/dbrandon/Slava) 

Post#24 » by KqWIN » Thu Aug 18, 2016 3:22 am

HartfordWhalers wrote:
KqWIN wrote:Just curious, has anyone gotten a bad grade yet?


My grades so far:

GS: A+

Dallas: A
Miami: A

Charlotte: A-

Memphis: B+

LAC: B (Short term A/A- long term D)

Atlanta: C+
New Orleans: C+
Orlando: C+

Washington: C

Houston: C-
San Antonio: C-

4 A's, 2 B's, 6 C's.

I won't spoil it and will disguise the team name, but the L*k*rs get an F within the next week for instance.

Right now I have as many C and below as B and above, which feels about right.


Thanks. The grading scale ins't universal so I just wanted to know what a C actually meant. For some that's average, but it could also be considered a bad grade.
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Re: Portland early offseason in review (HW/bondom34/dbrandon/Slava) 

Post#25 » by Downtown » Thu Aug 18, 2016 5:24 am

I'm a little disappointed, but not surprised that none of the reviewers made much, if any mention that the Blazers actually tried for top tier free agents and were rebuked. The only choice was to hold onto the money or make a decision to bring back the group that surprised the league last year.

Unless you're a follower of the Blazers free agent history you wouldn't understand how difficult it has been to get big name free agents to sign with Portland when the income tax rates can't compete with other states in a players favour.

If I factor out the actual cost, it was a good signing in Evan Turner. A well rounded multi positional player that can play defence on the perimeter is what Portland needed. That was a good signing but a seriously bad overpay.

Matching for Allan Crabbe was worse than the Turner contract in my opinion.

Some people in here still see the Orlando Magic Mo Harkless but Portland people know how well he fit in and contributed and was a reliable player( and a still quite young one) who won a starting position in the playoffs. $10mil per year in this summers market isn't bad. But it could be argued that some players give a little extra effort in showcasing themselves in a contract year. They also needed a defensive presence in the middle and their first pitch of free agency was to Whiteside. So they tried. Horford never was going to consider the Pacific Northwest with his strong Eastern ties, max offer or not. I'm not expecting miracles from Ezeli but he can at least be a presence defensively in the middle in a centre by committee group, which they have with him, Plumlee, and Davis.

So at the end of the day in his press conference GM Neil Olshey said they felt that keeping the team together, which was a young group overall was more important than keeping the cap space when next year more teams that have better luck in attracting free agents can match them with money. And remember McCollum's extension starts next year as well so that would lower their cap room.

So my biggest criticism is matching for Crabbe, and perhaps being a bit more shrewd in signing Turner. And I certainly would have played hardball with Meyers Leonard, who won't be back until perhaps December after having shoulder surgery. Oh, and I agree that the Napier trade was a head scratcher.

I expect a playoff spot for them but at the very best I see them finishing where they did last season in fifth. At best. And at a payroll that's over $100mil anyone has a right to expect more. But they will be a good team yet again barring a key injury in the backcourt.
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Re: Portland early offseason in review (HW/bondom34/dbrandon/Slava) 

Post#26 » by bulliedog8 » Thu Aug 18, 2016 1:26 pm

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bulliedog8 wrote:
giberish wrote:Portland was also unusually healthy last year. A more average injury season and they drop a few more games. It's very plausible that Portland is a 'better' team but has worse results than last year (similar win total, lower playoff seeding and 1st round loss).


This is true too. Dont know how many would agree with me, but lamarcus' last year in portland, I thought had they stayed healthy. They were a contender. Started out 30-8 before their usual 2nd half of the season collapse.



It wasn't a collapse as much as it was having no healthy wings to speak of.


I meant collapse as in they got hurt. Unfortunately it happened 2 seasons in a row, because the year before that, they also started 31-9 and finished 23-19.

Blazers have to be one of the most unlucky franchises in nba history. I swear they could have like 7 titles by now if it werent for injuries.
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Re: Portland early offseason in review (HW/bondom34/dbrandon/Slava) 

Post#27 » by JasonStern » Thu Aug 18, 2016 6:29 pm

Downtown pretty much summed up my thoughts, although I liked the Napier trade. the Blazers have had cap space in the last two offseasons. with it, they've been rebuked by Greg Monroe, Hasaan Whiteside, and Chandler Parsons. given that track record, why would they punt for cap space next season? that said, not a being a free agent destination doesn't excuse overpaying to acquire Turner or to retain Crabbe. there's still something to maintaining flexibility to pull off trades.

yes, the Blazers have committed to being a treadmill team. but let's face some facts. there are maybe three teams that could contend for a championship next season. that means 27 teams are either tanking or treadmilling. and it's easier to take the jump from a playoff team to a contender than it is from a bottom feeder to a contender.

now let's look at the alternatives. the Blazers tried to rebuild through tanking before it was the trendy thing to do, and look at how the Roy/Oden/Aldridge/Batum tandem worked out. with Lillard and McCollum, the Blazers are too good to bottom out and get a high draft pick. so that means if they wanted to rebuild, they'd have to trade two young 20ppg players in the hopes that they could draft younger players that could hopefully become franchise centerpieces. and given the competition at the bottom, that's not very likely to happen. plus the Blazers have recently had one mid-lottery pick and two late-lottery picks and hit on 2 out of 3 of them. odds aren't good they are going to continue to meet or exceed that standard. so you're left with a young team that's too good to tank in a small market that can't lure any free agents. the best thing they can do is surround Lillard and McCollum with players around their age, and hope that either players develop, the team gets lucky in the draft, or the team lucks into a franchise changing trade. meanwhile, the team will hopefully get better by sticking together and building chemistry. I mean, isn't that the reason everyone claims foreign teams can play above their talent level against Team USA?
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Re: Portland early offseason in review (HW/bondom34/dbrandon/Slava) 

Post#28 » by Andre Roberstan » Thu Aug 18, 2016 7:05 pm

KqWIN wrote:
HartfordWhalers wrote:
KqWIN wrote:Just curious, has anyone gotten a bad grade yet?


My grades so far:

GS: A+

Dallas: A
Miami: A

Charlotte: A-

Memphis: B+

LAC: B (Short term A/A- long term D)

Atlanta: C+
New Orleans: C+
Orlando: C+

Washington: C

Houston: C-
San Antonio: C-

4 A's, 2 B's, 6 C's.

I won't spoil it and will disguise the team name, but the L*k*rs get an F within the next week for instance.

Right now I have as many C and below as B and above, which feels about right.


Thanks. The grading scale ins't universal so I just wanted to know what a C actually meant. For some that's average, but it could also be considered a bad grade.


For me C is the average. You did some good stuff, you did some bad stuff, probably balances out.
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Re: Portland early offseason in review (HW/bondom34/dbrandon/Slava) 

Post#29 » by TKainZero » Thu Aug 18, 2016 7:05 pm

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Spurs, they lost their whole front court for one of the worst bigs in the league in Pau. People will see pau's box score numbers and think he is legit, but he will absolutely kill the spurs.


Pau gasol.
One of the worst bigs in the league?

Or did you mean to say,
"Pau gasol, the best basketball player on the planet in the olympics"

30/30 nba teams would take pau, and become a better team.

That being said, I do think the Spurs will fail to hit 50 wins this year
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Post#30 » by BullyKing » Thu Aug 18, 2016 7:28 pm

Maybe I'm missing something but why is signing McCollum to a max contract now a good move? For a guy with his injury history and only year of success, doesn't it make more sense to have let him play out the year. If last year was for real, great, max him out then. The only downside risk is him signing the QO, which is obviously not likely at all.
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Post#31 » by HartfordWhalers » Thu Aug 18, 2016 7:36 pm

BullyKing wrote:Maybe I'm missing something but why is signing McCollum to a max contract now a good move? For a guy with his injury history and only year of success, doesn't it make more sense to have let him play out the year. If last year was for real, great, max him out then. The only downside risk is him signing the QO, which is obviously not likely at all.


It locks him in for 3 years while in theory he could be looking around at a shorter 2+1 in free agency next summer. I would like it a lot more if it didn't have that player option and the team had a guaranteed 4 years.
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Re: Portland early offseason in review (HW/bondom34/dbrandon/Slava) 

Post#32 » by Texas Chuck » Thu Aug 18, 2016 7:37 pm

BullyKing wrote:Maybe I'm missing something but why is signing McCollum to a max contract now a good move? For a guy with his injury history and only year of success, doesn't it make more sense to have let him play out the year. If last year was for real, great, max him out then. The only downside risk is him signing the QO, which is obviously not likely at all.



I wonder if part of the thinking is that just about everyone else on the roster(not Plumlee and I guess you could count Vonleh?) who remotely matters all would have gotten paid. Maybe they are worried about alienating CJ since he wouldn't have?

I do think there are times when its okay to lock a guy up early and if you are going to blow all your cap space anyway as they did, then I'm okay with it here. If they were keeping their powder dry, then yeah keeping his much lower cap hit is a big benefit plus yeah you make him do it again.
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Post#33 » by Waynearchetype » Thu Aug 18, 2016 7:39 pm

CJ doesn't have a real max either, so if the cap goes up further than anticipated next year his contract won't increase.
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Post#34 » by BullyKing » Thu Aug 18, 2016 7:44 pm

Texas Chuck wrote:
BullyKing wrote:Maybe I'm missing something but why is signing McCollum to a max contract now a good move? For a guy with his injury history and only year of success, doesn't it make more sense to have let him play out the year. If last year was for real, great, max him out then. The only downside risk is him signing the QO, which is obviously not likely at all.



I wonder if part of the thinking is that just about everyone else on the roster(not Plumlee and I guess you could count Vonleh?) who remotely matters all would have gotten paid. Maybe they are worried about alienating CJ since he wouldn't have?

I do think there are times when its okay to lock a guy up early and if you are going to blow all your cap space anyway as they did, then I'm okay with it here. If they were keeping their powder dry, then yeah keeping his much lower cap hit is a big benefit plus yeah you make him do it again.


Yeah for me its much more about making him do it again vs. the loss of flexibility because they wouldn't have any regardless. I mean, when Anthony Davis says he's willing to sign an extension, you sign him to the extension. If Giannis tells the Bucks tomorrow that he's prepared to sign a five year deal, you sign him to that deal because even if he suffers a season ending injury this year, you'd give him that deal anyway. I just don't think McCollum has proven to be that type of player yet.

Noel has not shown as much as McCollum yet so please don't hung up on a comparison between the two but as an illustration - if Noel was willing to sign an extension for $15 mil a year this offseason do it. But if Noel wants a max and the Sixers are willing to give him the max, there's little reason to do so now.
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Post#35 » by DeBlazerRiddem » Fri Aug 19, 2016 1:25 am

Key Losses:
- Future flexibility: Blazers spent a ton this offseason, should be well into the luxury tax next season, limited their flexibility.

Losses:
Gerald Henderson

- Probably the most significant player loss. He is surprisingly athletic and a good midrange game, plus fit the lockerroom very well. Turner should replace much of what he did, but he was good for us. Much better than Afflalo ever was.

Chris Kaman
- Don't know why we guaranteed him $5 million last season either. He was our only post player, and apparently a good mentor, but this is no big loss

Brian Roberts
- Meh, backup PG who didn't ever do much

Cliff Alexander
- Took a flier on the guy, he never really broke into the rotation despite us needing a physical big.

Draft:
#47 Jake Layman (traded for)

- I hated this pick. He wasn't on my radar at all (maybe I overrate assist rates though, but that and thinking his defense is not as good as advertised took him out of my interest entirely). Cornelie was a guy I had interest in, and I also would have rather had Bentil, Payton or Felder. Really my targets went a little higher and I wish we could have moved up a little higher for one of Diallo, Brogdon or McCaw. Zubac too, but I had him as a 1st rounder. My other 2ed round targets went much higher (really wanted Papagiannis).

Trades:
2019 second round draft pick and cash (TBD) to Orlando Magic for the rights to Jake Layman (47th).

- As I said, I didn't like the pick. I would happily do a future 2ed and cash for a guy I really believed in, but I don't with Layman.

Cash (TBD) to Orlando Magic for Shabazz Napier
- Another meh backup point guard. Too many other cheap and more experienced PGs.

Free Agency:
C.J. McCollum 4/$106.6m extension (starts next year)
- Its a lot of money, but we kind of had to do it. Its nice that its not tied to the salary cap, whereas someone probably would have offered him a full max next summer. He should continue to maintain value as a legit 2ed option, so this was a good move to lock him up early.

Allen Crabbe 4/$74.8m (PO on last year. Matched contract of Nets)
- Our worst move of the off-season IMO. I was ready to say good-bye to Allen at anything over ~14 per year. I think he's 1 dimensional, with overrated defense and inconsistent shooting. He can make a difference in short periods, but gets exposed in longer shifts. A lot of other people seem higher on him and he's a fine prototypical 3&D player but he's not a difference maker IMO.

Evan Turner 4/$70m
- I thought this was a good move. Excuse my little rant here, but there are so many people saying Olshey negotiated against himself and outbid the market for him. I think thats a load of hogwash. I mean, its one thing to say if you know that Turner was only getting offers around $8 million and Olshey doubled that for no reason, but if you are just saying it because the number surprised you - with no idea what the actual market was - then you are basically hating on Olshey out of ignorance. Do you really think the guy doesn't know how to do his job? Isn't it pretty likely, with all the money going around this summer, that some other team was offering ~14-15 million and Portland had to ante up to overcome our West coast, small city, weather and tax disadvantages? To me, that makes more sense than Olshey threw a random high number that was no-where close to any of the other offers. Again, if someone has inside info stating otherwise, that is a different story, but if you dont then give the guy some credit before slandering him.

Ok, that rant over, it is a very different thing to say that Turner was overpaid and may not live up to his contract. That could be. However, I think Turner is going to be a fantastic fit in Portland. Both McCollum and Lillard have been better scorers when playing with a PG next to them. I have long been advocating that Portland needs a point-forward to make that back-court work because they are such phenomenal scorers and mediocre facilitators that they need a guy like Turner/Batum/Evans/Iggy (LeBron would work too) to let them do what they do best. Some of the worst parts of our offense last year was when one of Lillard/McCollum were on the court and teams would just shut them down - no one else could do anything with the ball to prevent that kind of defense. With the ball in Turners hand and one of Lillard/McCollum freely running around the court, no one is going to focus on shutting down the ball-handler, which will open up a ton of options on offense. With a passing and movement-oriented offense, this will be a good thing.

Mo Harkless 4/$42m (with 2m in unlikely bonus as well)
- I thought this was a pretty decent contract as well. Harkless is such a good defender, with elite athleticism, size and length. People don't seem to realize, there was a reason he ended the season starting for us, and its because he earned it. He's also a really good slasher, putting his athleticism to use and finishing in the paint. I would want to pair him with a shooting coach all summer long because he's not entirely hopeless but he is really bad from range. And that FT% really does need to come up, he certainly has the skills to do that. IMO this is the Blazers best chance for a breakout player ala Jimmy Butler (I see some similarities) in which case this contract becomes a steal but even if Harkless plateaus its not a terrible contract for a guy who can start and do just fine.

Meyers Leonard 4/$41m
- Meh, I didn't really like this but its not a terrible contract I suppose. Leonard is such a mix of intriguing skills and infuriating actions though. He has an elite shot, tons of range, good touch around the basket. He's got a good frame, strong. He doesn't have great foot-speed, but has pretty good straight-line speed running the court. Definitely shouldn't be used as a PF on defense, but he's good athletically for a center. He also has the ability to make some amazing passes, half-court bullets right to their mark but he so often does them at the wrong time. This kind of defines him as a player, he has so many tools and no idea how or when to best use them. Makes some of the most boneheaded mistakes on the court. It could be a lack of experience, it could be slow reaction times, it could just be a poor BBIQ (likely some combo of the 3) but whatever it is, it hasn't really improved since getting drafted.

Festus Ezeli 2/$15.1m (1m gtd year 2)
- On the surface this seems like a great contract, but it really makes you wonder how bad his health must be. This is a terrible contract for a player, its about the same salary as Cole Adrich but much less leverage and guaranteed money. I think there is something we fans don't know about that really scared off teams. People saying he should fire his agent are being silly for the same reasons as people saying Olshey outbid the market - basically they know more than we do and its ridiculous to first assume they just messed up without knowing all the facts.

Jake Layman 3/$2.6m (first 2 years gtd)
- Again, didn't really like the draft pick, but the contract isn't terrible if we do believe in him.

Tim Quarterman mostly unguaranteed 2/$1.4m
- I didn't really like or see much from him the few LSU games I caught. The Blazers are at 16 players, so I'm pretty sure he's the guy to go.

Current Depth Chart: (as usual this is a rough draft taken from bbinsiders)
PG: Damian Lillard, Shabazz Napier, Tim Quarterman
SG: C.J. McCollum, Allen Crabbe
SF: Evan Turner, Mo Harkless, Pat Connaughton, Luis Montero, Jake Layman
PF: Al-Farouq Aminu, Meyers Leonard, Ed Davis
C: Mason Plumlee, Festus Ezeli, Noah Vonleh

Depth chart

Well Portland has gone all in on versatile players and Stotts tweaks his rotations based on match-ups, so the classic depth chart wont really capture the projected lineups.

-McCollum and Turner will probably share backup PG duties when Lillard is off the floor, so Napier is mostly going to be reserved for garbage time. Heck, there will probably be significant time that Lillard gets off ball as well, as his scoring numbers have always been more impressive with a pass-first player playing PG beside him.
- Connaughton, Montero and Quarterman are really more of SGs in my opinion. One of the 3 will be let go.
- Leonard did not do well at PF last year, he seems pretty niche as a stretch 5. Additionally, in Stotts offense, Davis is often a 5 as well. Vonleh is more of a PF than either of them.

So I would propose something like:
PG: Lillard, McCollum/Turner, Napier
SG: McCollum, Crabbe/Lillard, Connaughton/Montero/Quarterman
SF: Turner, Aminu/Harkless, Crabbe/Layman
PF: Aminu, Davis/Vonleh, Leonard/Layman
C: Plumlee, Ezeli/Leonard, Davis

Needs:
Right now the Blazers are pretty full up at each position. I can see some moves to further round us out, but each of them would require a follow-up move to balance us out. I'm going to separate this out into a star need and a role need.
- Our biggest star need is from the forward positions. I think they are OK right now with how the roster is set up, as Turner can create for others and Aminu/Harkless are good finishers, but we have no one to really create for themselves. I think the decent scorers like this are highly coveted and mediocre scorers from this position do more harm than good. So while the Blazers have a fine assortment of role players at this position, if I had my wish of trading for any star to pair with our back-court, I would want a forward most of all. Kevin Love may be the best fit at an attainable price.

- I think the biggest role player need right now is front-court offense, especially from the post, simply because we have no one who can respectfully fill that role. That was Kaman's only job last year, and while we only needed him sparingly and he was overall rather disappointing, we now have no one to throw into that role. I would strongly consider moving Crabbe for someone like Kanter or Monroe, but this would end up stacking the front-court and creating a hole at the guard positions (I don't believe any of Connaughton/Montero/Quarterman are ready for significant minutes).

- There is some debate about whether the back-up PG position is another position of need for a role player better than Napier. Personally, I don't think a team can have too many PGs, simply because a competent PG is too important to running a team and with so many, there is no excuse not to have an extra. I would love a veteran pass-first player with decent defense, particularly someone who knows how to feed big men (Lillard and McCollum are a little weak on this). With Lillard/McCollum/Turner all likely to see minutes though, this veteran would have to be OK with inconsistent minutes.

Additional Thoughts:
Blazers spent so much money this summer. I think we will just barely avoid the luxury tax this year although its possible a bonus or something will push us over. Next summer will hurt though with McCollums near-max deal kicking in, so we should be looking at ways to cut salary. Also I always want to get lightly protected future picks from dysfunctional teams, but there's only 1 Billy King. Overall, we should be debating sacrificing some depth to get cheaper future assets.

Projected Win/Loss:
I think people are slightly sleeping on the Blazers. We have great chemistry and a fantastic coach. The West is a little stronger, but I think Portand will be competitive in the RS with ~48 wins.

Off-Season Grade:
B

I think it was a pretty average off-season. I initially had them at a C+ but I think they set themselves up well for the future and committed to a direction, which is a good thing for a franchise. I don't see any home-run moves, we basically held serve relying on incremental internal improvements. Turner is our big addition and I think he'll fit in nicely (again, getting Lillard and McCollum into more of a scoring, less of a facilitating role should be a good thing) but we paid a significant price for that, so it kind of balances out to average. Crabbe is the contract I'm really unhappy about, Leonard as well. Harkless is a fine deal IMO, but probably wont turn into a steal over-night ala Aminu/Davis last summer. I do like that we have set ourselves up to be young and dynamic, which helps balance out the massive amount of money spent, as its truly an investment in the future.
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Re: Portland early offseason in review (HW/bondom34/dbrandon/Slava) 

Post#36 » by HartfordWhalers » Fri Aug 19, 2016 2:02 am

DeBlazerRiddem wrote:...


Added to the OP and to the title. And apologies, it was supposed to be there and I kinda goofed between some unexpected travel. Really sorry about that, and thanks for the great write up!!!
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Re: Portland early offseason in review (HW/bondom34/dbrandon/Slava) 

Post#37 » by Wizenheimer » Fri Aug 19, 2016 4:23 am

DeBlazerRiddem wrote:
Evan Turner 4/$70m
- I thought this was a good move. Excuse my little rant here, but there are so many people saying Olshey negotiated against himself and outbid the market for him. I think thats a load of hogwash. I mean, its one thing to say if you know that Turner was only getting offers around $8 million and Olshey doubled that for no reason, but if you are just saying it because the number surprised you - with no idea what the actual market was - then you are basically hating on Olshey out of ignorance. Do you really think the guy doesn't know how to do his job? Isn't it pretty likely, with all the money going around this summer, that some other team was offering ~14-15 million and Portland had to ante up to overcome our West coast, small city, weather and tax disadvantages? To me, that makes more sense than Olshey threw a random high number that was no-where close to any of the other offers. Again, if someone has inside info stating otherwise, that is a different story, but if you dont then give the guy some credit before slandering him.


I think a lot of the "bidding against himself" talk comes from Turner's own words after he signed:

“They said, ‘We’ll give [Parsons] until 6 a.m., and if he doesn’t say yes, we want you for sure,’ ” Turner told the Globe Friday. “I didn’t know how much I was going to make. It was so random. I could make $12 million a year or I could make $18 million.”


https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/celtics/2016/07/01/evan-turner-leaves-celtics-for-trail-blazers/J4GTZkFeeu3uiqQzoJ714M/story.html

https://www.boston.com/sports/boston-celtics/2016/07/02/evan-turners-parting-words-boston

I suppose you can parse it a couple of different ways, but it sure sounds like he had decided to sign with Portlnd if Parsons went elsewhere and just didn't know how much he was going to make. If that's the case, then 12 million a year may have been the top bid and that was from Portland...it does 'sound' like he was willing to play for that

other then that, good write-up

I agree that matching Crabbe's offer sheet was the worst move. I don't buy any of the rationalizations that have been advanced to support that decision. He's a 1-dimensional player who plays lousy defense and commits some of the dumbest fouls around. Portland will be paying over 70 million/year for the 3 guard rotation of Dame-CJ-Crabbe and it just about has to be the worst defensive back-court in the league. I still say Turner would fit better as a guard then as a SF simply because he'd add perimeter defense where it's needed the most and the rotations would make more sense.

I also agree the trades for Layman and Napier fall into the 'why bother' category

you and I will probably disagree on Meyers. You keep saying he has "intriguing skills". I just don't see how you can get to skills-plural. He can shoot threes at a good rate, but he has such a slow release and has to be so wide open, that skill doesn't show against good defense. Other then that, I see no other intriguing skills unless habitually slamming his face into another player's elbow is a skill.
We do seem to agree he's a disaster as a PF because of his horrid defense. But if he's a C then he's competing for time with Plumlee, Davis, & Ezeli, and all three of those guys are much better then Meyers. I think Olshey has a major blind spot when it comes to Meyers. I also think his major reluctance to mix it up inside is in large part due to his bum shoulder. Apparently, he's had 4 or 5 dislocations and it sounds like every time was when he was fighting for a rebound. Giving out a 4 year deal to a one-shouldered big is pretty questionable
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Re: Portland early offseason in review (HW/bondom34/dbrandon/Slava) 

Post#38 » by Statlanta » Fri Aug 19, 2016 4:32 am

JasonStern wrote:Downtown pretty much summed up my thoughts, although I liked the Napier trade. the Blazers have had cap space in the last two offseasons. with it, they've been rebuked by Greg Monroe, Hasaan Whiteside, and Chandler Parsons. given that track record, why would they punt for cap space next season? that said, not a being a free agent destination doesn't excuse overpaying to acquire Turner or to retain Crabbe. there's still something to maintaining flexibility to pull off trades.

yes, the Blazers have committed to being a treadmill team. but let's face some facts. there are maybe three teams that could contend for a championship next season. that means 27 teams are either tanking or treadmilling. and it's easier to take the jump from a playoff team to a contender than it is from a bottom feeder to a contender.

now let's look at the alternatives. the Blazers tried to rebuild through tanking before it was the trendy thing to do, and look at how the Roy/Oden/Aldridge/Batum tandem worked out. with Lillard and McCollum, the Blazers are too good to bottom out and get a high draft pick. so that means if they wanted to rebuild, they'd have to trade two young 20ppg players in the hopes that they could draft younger players that could hopefully become franchise centerpieces. and given the competition at the bottom, that's not very likely to happen. plus the Blazers have recently had one mid-lottery pick and two late-lottery picks and hit on 2 out of 3 of them. odds aren't good they are going to continue to meet or exceed that standard. so you're left with a young team that's too good to tank in a small market that can't lure any free agents. the best thing they can do is surround Lillard and McCollum with players around their age, and hope that either players develop, the team gets lucky in the draft, or the team lucks into a franchise changing trade. meanwhile, the team will hopefully get better by sticking together and building chemistry. I mean, isn't that the reason everyone claims foreign teams can play above their talent level against Team USA?


NIce qualitative team post. I think it is really hard for small markets to build a contender as the Spurs needed like a recent championship and 19 years of 50 wins just to convince a guy like LMA just to sign with them. I think it is reasonable to commit to a team vision and stick with it and with the resiginings of the Coach and the GM(?) you guys will be one of the most successful teams in the league.
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Re: Portland early offseason in review (HW/bondom34/dbrandon/Slava) 

Post#39 » by bulliedog8 » Fri Aug 19, 2016 1:07 pm

TKainZero wrote:
bulliedog8 wrote:
Spurs, they lost their whole front court for one of the worst bigs in the league in Pau. People will see pau's box score numbers and think he is legit, but he will absolutely kill the spurs.


Pau gasol.
One of the worst bigs in the league?

Or did you mean to say,
"Pau gasol, the best basketball player on the planet in the olympics"

30/30 nba teams would take pau, and become a better team.

That being said, I do think the Spurs will fail to hit 50 wins this year


I completely disagree
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Re: Portland early offseason in review (HW/bondom34/dbrandon/Slava/DeBlazerRiddem) 

Post#40 » by Texas Chuck » Fri Aug 19, 2016 2:03 pm

Pau obviously has some defensive flaws that a coach is going to have to scheme around, but I don't think there is much question he is still one of the most talented offensive bigs in the league. It's a curious signing on paper, but I feel like I should trust Pop/Buford until proven otherwise.

But if Dirk can still be a net positive player in Dallas while being a huge defensive liability, I don't see how Pau can't be in SA---particularly because Pau will get to play center instead of PF.
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