Middleton's Current Trade Value

[Dn4sty]

Maybe a trade centered around Dipo for Middleton

[LuessiT]

Maybe a trade centered around Dipo for Middleton

Pretty far off in value. Middleton is clearly the much better player.

One thing about Middleton which was a bit frustrating is that he didn't take as many 3's as he was expected to. He often passed up open 3's for open 2's and at the end of the shot clock he always went to the fadeaway 2 instead of an off the dribble 3, letting me to believe that Middleton doesn't stretch the floor as much as e.g. Tony Snell who basicly only spots up for 3's. That becomes a problem if you pair him with guys like Brogdon and Jabari who are both very capable 3-point shooters but due to their nature of play do most of their damage in the paint. Especially Brogdon as an example has a very low release and some kind of a push shot which would get blocked if contested (he only shoots them when open) so if Giannis doesn't learn how to shoot off the dribble we might struggle stretchning the floor even though everyone on our lineup bar Giannis can stroke it from 3.

[Streakers33]

Minnesota for #6?

I'll repost it. Cuz it needs to be addressed as to what bucks looking for. And minny wouldn't complain about these talks..


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I think this offer would have to be strongly considered from the Bucks perspective, especially if they think there is a PG available at 6 who can be a difference maker going forward. This allows them to move Brogdon to SG and keep Snell as their primary back up wing.

Even open up those Rubio chats again.
Or drop Rubio idea

And go like Middleton and 17 for Dunn and 6..


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[bdpecore]

I'll repost it. Cuz it needs to be addressed as to what bucks looking for. And minny wouldn't complain about these talks..


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I think this offer would have to be strongly considered from the Bucks perspective, especially if they think there is a PG available at 6 who can be a difference maker going forward. This allows them to move Brogdon to SG and keep Snell as their primary back up wing.

Even open up those Rubio chats again.
Or drop Rubio idea

And go like Middleton and 17 for Dunn and 6..


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Unfortunately I don't think either Rubio or Dunn would fit offensively playing off the ball next to Giannis. Maybe LaVine but having him and Jabari on the floor together would make our defense even more of a liability.

[shrink]

Middleton has a ton of value. He's on a good deal ($14, $13.1, and then a PO he will opt out of). He has a skill-set that is very useful in today's NBA. He plays a position with a lot of scarcity of talent as well. But I heard a comment about him last month that I thought was very interesting.

Middleton is above average in everything. On the surface, that has a "Lake Wobegon" feel of not being that important, but it makes him a tremendously valuable asset for a coach. Very few players don't have a flaw or two, and a coach needs to adjust his line ups to do his best to cover up those flaws. For example, if Player A is a poor three point shooter, he needs to make sure Player B gets more minutes, to spread the floor. This makes life even more complicated during a game, when opponents change their line ups, match-ups change, players pick up fouls etc. When a coach has a player like Middleton, he enjoys tremendous flexibility that the opposing coach does not possess, which he can use to his team's advantage to win games.

Personally, I love the guy. For me, he checks all the boxes. The only problem will be in two years, when it's time to get paid. I imagine he could draw a max deal offer from somebody, but I find it hard to give out max deals to a guy that won't ever be a star. That said, I would give an awful lot for the guy, and expect that he returns to full form next Fall.

[BadWolf]

Lavine, Dieng for Middleton, Henson

[Streakers33]

I think this offer would have to be strongly considered from the Bucks perspective, especially if they think there is a PG available at 6 who can be a difference maker going forward. This allows them to move Brogdon to SG and keep Snell as their primary back up wing.

Even open up those Rubio chats again.
Or drop Rubio idea

And go like Middleton and 17 for Dunn and 6..


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Unfortunately I don't think either Rubio or Dunn would fit offensively playing off the ball next to Giannis. Maybe LaVine but having him and Jabari on the floor together would make our defense even more of a liability.

So is the value right at Middleton for pick six?


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[Streakers33]

Lavine, Dieng for Middleton, Henson

Come on wolves boys, let's make this trade work!
I like this idea too


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[skones]

Dealing Middleton for young players/picks is a good way to piss Giannis off.

[BadWolf]

I don't think Middleton is tier 2 at all.
this guy is Paul Pierce with better defense, better efficiency, and more versatility.
OK, Ok----and without the killer instinct.
I'm outraged at Buck fans wanting to trade him.
However, knick fans will be even more outraged at my offer.

yes, I would offer our pick, especially if it drops to eight or nine. He's going to be 26, but his defense and scoring from the perimeter is just what the knicks need. Not Malik Monk.

[skones]

Even open up those Rubio chats again.
Or drop Rubio idea

And go like Middleton and 17 for Dunn and 6..


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Unfortunately I don't think either Rubio or Dunn would fit offensively playing off the ball next to Giannis. Maybe LaVine but having him and Jabari on the floor together would make our defense even more of a liability.

So is the value right at Middleton for pick six?


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No, not for Milwaukee. Jackson at 3 is the lowest I'd go.

[LuessiT]

Even open up those Rubio chats again.
Or drop Rubio idea

And go like Middleton and 17 for Dunn and 6..


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Unfortunately I don't think either Rubio or Dunn would fit offensively playing off the ball next to Giannis. Maybe LaVine but having him and Jabari on the floor together would make our defense even more of a liability.

So is the value right at Middleton for pick six?


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I think the evaluation is on the lower end but about right. That said, the Bucks probably aren't looking to get younger. They're most likely more interested in combining assets into another star player. E.g. trading for KP, Lillard, George (if he's willing to extend with the Bucks), etc..

[bdpecore]

Even open up those Rubio chats again.
Or drop Rubio idea

And go like Middleton and 17 for Dunn and 6..


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Unfortunately I don't think either Rubio or Dunn would fit offensively playing off the ball next to Giannis. Maybe LaVine but having him and Jabari on the floor together would make our defense even more of a liability.

So is the value right at Middleton for pick six?


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I think it would be an offer the Bucks strongly consider because its slightly more than his actual market value especially if they beleive they can grab a franchise PG with the pick. I would say the chance of Hammond pulling the trigger on this trade would be 50/50.

[Andre Roberstan]

I'd offer anything on roster that we have except for Russ and Adams, but the Bucks have no reason to do it.

[Trippinskarlo]

I don't think Middleton is tier 2 at all.
this guy is Paul Pierce with better defense, better efficiency, and more versatility.
OK, Ok----and without the killer instinct.
I'm outraged at Buck fans wanting to trade him.
However, knick fans will be even more outraged at my offer.

yes, I would offer our pick, especially if it drops to eight or nine. He's going to be 26, but his defense and scoring from the perimeter is just what the knicks need. Not Malik Monk.

lmao

[andyhop]

What does Milwaukee want or need? That would help guide offers.

From Charlotte, I'd give you anyone and anything not named Kemba. If we were to open negotiations I believe most base offers would start around MKG and our 2017 1st.

I would guess they are looking for young players and/or picks which can be team controlled in 2019 and beyond when their window should be fully opened. Defense and shooting are keys since we are trying to surround Giannis and Parker.

So basically you are trying to trade Middleton for someone exactly like him, seems it would be easier to just keep the known quantity.

If the Bucks want more shooting maybe they should try and find a way to get Middleton more shots having a career 40% 3pt shooter only take 4 per 36 minutes is almost criminal

[TheDominator273]

Dunn + #6 for Middleton and #17 would be a great starting point I think with the Bucks getting a little extra value.

Do the Bucks have any bad contracts they would like to dump that could make up the difference in value?

[rugbyrugger23]

LMA + Green + Murray + Spurs 2017 1st for Middleton + Monroe

Spurs finally go younger and make it the Middleton and Kawhi show. Pops offseason of 2018--with Pau-Monroe*-Parker-Manu (finally retired)all off the books--go all-in on a prime time FA. Can Spurs have their own big 3?
*I could see Pops brining Duncan in as special mentor/coach for Monroe, and after a year of seeing what he has in Monroe, re-sign him as part of core.

Bucks get playoff tested vets. LMA can mentor Maker. Green keeps shooting in the lineup. And Murray is a young PG in the mix.

[ThatBoyNick]

I think Middleton has the potential to be one of those late blooming star players if he can get his health together. He's got it all, he can create his own shot, he's got a handle, passes, can defend multiple positions, finishes in the paint and has a great 3pt shot.

Why in the hell trade him? He's a perfect fit next to Giannis.

[AussieBuck]

What does Milwaukee want or need? That would help guide offers.

From Charlotte, I'd give you anyone and anything not named Kemba. If we were to open negotiations I believe most base offers would start around MKG and our 2017 1st.

I would guess they are looking for young players and/or picks which can be team controlled in 2019 and beyond when their window should be fully opened. Defense and shooting are keys since we are trying to surround Giannis and Parker.

So basically you are trying to trade Middleton for someone exactly like him, seems it would be easier to just keep the known quantity.

If the Bucks want more shooting maybe they should try and find a way to get Middleton more shots having a career 40% 3pt shooter only take 4 per 36 minutes is almost criminal

This is what happens when Kidd is your coach.