Trade Offers for MIN's #7?

getrichordie · Post #21 » by **getrichordie** » Wed May 17, 2017 4:51 am

Wolves need defense, right? I'd trade back for a defensive veteran if possible and target Anunoby.

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RiotPunch · Post #22 » by **RiotPunch** » Wed May 17, 2017 6:56 am

If DSJ is there:

Middleton / Henson for #7 / value

Think we would need a little more coming back, but as a base I like this deal provided DSJ is available.

andyhop · Post #23 » by **andyhop** » Wed May 17, 2017 7:13 am

RiotPunch wrote:If DSJ is there:

Middleton / Henson for #7 / value

Think we would need a little more coming back, but as a base I like this deal provided DSJ is available.

Depending what you expect the value to be I'd be happy with that

RiotPunch · Post #24 » by **RiotPunch** » Wed May 17, 2017 7:21 am

andyhop wrote:
RiotPunch wrote:If DSJ is there:

Middleton / Henson for #7 / value

Think we would need a little more coming back, but as a base I like this deal provided DSJ is available.

Depending what you expect the value to be I'd be happy with that

Not sure what the added value would be either... Maybe a future pick or a Delly/Rubio swap?

Curious about an alternative offer of Brogdon / #17 for #7?

TheDominator273 · Post #25 » by **TheDominator273** » Wed May 17, 2017 7:28 am

RiotPunch wrote:If DSJ is there:

Middleton / Henson for #7 / value

Think we would need a little more coming back, but as a base I like this deal provided DSJ is available.

Is Dunn enough extra value or maybe Tyus Jones (who I'd hate to see go but would be a great fit in Milwaukee)

Post #26 » by **City of Trees** » Wed May 17, 2017 7:28 am

If Isaac is on the board at 7 I'd trade 10/Bogdonavic/Richardson and/or 34.

Markkanen should still be available at 10.

Probably best for Sac to stay at 10 tho.
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andyhop · Post #27 » by **andyhop** » Wed May 17, 2017 7:29 am

RiotPunch wrote:
andyhop wrote:
RiotPunch wrote:If DSJ is there:

Middleton / Henson for #7 / value

Think we would need a little more coming back, but as a base I like this deal provided DSJ is available.

Depending what you expect the value to be I'd be happy with that

Not sure what the added value would be either... Maybe a future pick or a Delly/Rubio swap?

Curious about an alternative offer of Brogdon / #17 for #7?

Too much for the Wolves to add if its Rubio or another pick, as below take Dunn or Tyus if you want

RiotPunch · Post #28 » by **RiotPunch** » Wed May 17, 2017 7:46 am

andyhop wrote:
RiotPunch wrote:
andyhop wrote:
Depending what you expect the value to be I'd be happy with that

Not sure what the added value would be either... Maybe a future pick or a Delly/Rubio swap?

Curious about an alternative offer of Brogdon / #17 for #7?

Too much for the Wolves to add if its Rubio or another pick, as below take Dunn or Tyus if you want

Maybe a 3-way? Not sure if SAC would be down, but:

MKE out: Middleton, Henson, #17
MKE in: #7, #10

MIN out: #7, Dunn
MIN in: Middleton, Henson

SAC out: #10
SAC in: Dunn, #17

Post #29 » by **BullyKing** » Wed May 17, 2017 9:33 am

Texas Chuck wrote:
BullyKing wrote:Jackson and Okafor for Wiggins and 7. Thibs gets himself some wing defense.

I normally find myself agreeing with you value wise. This feels really bad for Minny and I know you don't overvalue Okafor. Which makes me think you are low on Wiggins. Which makes me wonder why you'd be in favor of this?

I guess I'm just confused. Would you mind sharing a bit more of your thoughts on this offer?

I guess I am lower on Wiggins than most but a lot of that is being lower on Wiggins specifically for Minnesota. I just don't think a wing combination of Lavine and Wiggins ultimately works together on defense. It'd be like the Sixers trying to build long term with a Saric and Okafor big man pairing. Maybe with his injury, Lavine would be more appropriate but I'm not sure the Sixers could afford to dip in that PR pool again.

Or I could just be off on value altogether.

Post #30 » by **HartfordWhalers** » Wed May 17, 2017 10:24 am

RiotPunch wrote:Maybe a 3-way? Not sure if SAC would be down, but:

MKE out: Middleton, Henson, #17
MKE in: #7, #10

MIN out: #7, Dunn
MIN in: Middleton, Henson

SAC out: #10
SAC in: Dunn, #17

Thats pretty interesting all the way around.

MrPerfect1 · Post #31 » by **MrPerfect1** » Wed May 17, 2017 11:06 am

RiotPunch wrote:
andyhop wrote:
RiotPunch wrote:Not sure what the added value would be either... Maybe a future pick or a Delly/Rubio swap?

Curious about an alternative offer of Brogdon / #17 for #7?

Too much for the Wolves to add if its Rubio or another pick, as below take Dunn or Tyus if you want

Maybe a 3-way? Not sure if SAC would be down, but:

MKE out: Middleton, Henson, #17
MKE in: #7, #10

MIN out: #7, Dunn
MIN in: Middleton, Henson

SAC out: #10
SAC in: Dunn, #17

That is insanely bad for MIL. Not only is #7 and #10 really bad value for Middleton alone but takes away maybe MIL's best outside shooter on a team desperate for more shooting. It also would be a step back for the team, all for the chance to get 2 more non premium picks. It doesn't make any sense for MIL

RiotPunch · Post #32 » by **RiotPunch** » Wed May 17, 2017 11:26 am

MrPerfect1 wrote:
RiotPunch wrote:
andyhop wrote:
Too much for the Wolves to add if its Rubio or another pick, as below take Dunn or Tyus if you want

Maybe a 3-way? Not sure if SAC would be down, but:

MKE out: Middleton, Henson, #17
MKE in: #7, #10

MIN out: #7, Dunn
MIN in: Middleton, Henson

SAC out: #10
SAC in: Dunn, #17

That is insanely bad for MIL. Not only is #7 and #10 really bad value for Middleton alone but takes away maybe MIL's best outside shooter on a team desperate for more shooting. It also would be a step back for the team, all for the chance to get 2 more non premium picks. It doesn't make any sense for MIL

I think if it means DSJ and Collins, it becomes good value.

wablty · Post #33 » by **wablty** » Wed May 17, 2017 12:02 pm

Spens1 wrote:why not take Markkanen to pair up with KAT in the frontcourt and have Dieng as the main bench guy to rotate with both of them?

Anyway for the sake of this thread. Randle + 28th. Former 7th pick + the 28th which should be a good player at the end of the first

Because defense is a thing.

Spens1 · Post #34 » by **Spens1** » Wed May 17, 2017 12:05 pm

wablty wrote:
Spens1 wrote:why not take Markkanen to pair up with KAT in the frontcourt and have Dieng as the main bench guy to rotate with both of them?

Anyway for the sake of this thread. Randle + 28th. Former 7th pick + the 28th which should be a good player at the end of the first

Because defense is a thing.

be that as it may (no doubt Markannen's defense doesn't exist) you will have Dieng as a guy who can come in and do exactly that. KAT is by no means a bad defender also either. Maybe they would need to find a shot stopper and some perimeter defenders (which they need to do regardless) i don't think that prevents them from going with the best fit.

wablty · Post #35 » by **wablty** » Wed May 17, 2017 12:15 pm

Spens1 wrote:
wablty wrote:
Spens1 wrote:why not take Markkanen to pair up with KAT in the frontcourt and have Dieng as the main bench guy to rotate with both of them?

Anyway for the sake of this thread. Randle + 28th. Former 7th pick + the 28th which should be a good player at the end of the first

Because defense is a thing.

be that as it may (no doubt Markannen's defense doesn't exist) you will have Dieng as a guy who can come in and do exactly that. KAT is by no means a bad defender also either. Maybe they would need to find a shot stopper and some perimeter defenders (which they need to do regardless) i don't think that prevents them from going with the best fit.

It's difficult to imagine Lauri being anything but a defensive travesty in the league. If he was an okay defender that could shoot like that, it'd be one thing. That's not the case though and MN doesn't have the personnel to cover up something like that. Collins would be a better pick.

Minnesota doesn't need more scorers. They need defenders. Wasting a mid lotto pick on a pure offensive player is nuts.

Streakers33 · Post #36 » by **Streakers33** » Wed May 17, 2017 12:22 pm

HartfordWhalers wrote:
RiotPunch wrote:Maybe a 3-way? Not sure if SAC would be down, but:

MKE out: Middleton, Henson, #17
MKE in: #7, #10

MIN out: #7, Dunn
MIN in: Middleton, Henson

SAC out: #10
SAC in: Dunn, #17

Thats pretty interesting all the way around.

Middleton in minny this offseason would be a huge win.. what would need to be adjusted for this to be realistic?

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Spens1 · Post #37 » by **Spens1** » Wed May 17, 2017 12:25 pm

wablty wrote:
Spens1 wrote:
wablty wrote:
Because defense is a thing.

be that as it may (no doubt Markannen's defense doesn't exist) you will have Dieng as a guy who can come in and do exactly that. KAT is by no means a bad defender also either. Maybe they would need to find a shot stopper and some perimeter defenders (which they need to do regardless) i don't think that prevents them from going with the best fit.

It's difficult to imagine Lauri being anything but a defensive travesty in the league. If he was an okay defender that could shoot like that, it'd be one thing. That's not the case though and MN doesn't have the personnel to cover up something like that. Collins would be a better pick.

Minnesota doesn't need more scorers. They need defenders. Wasting a mid lotto pick on a pure offensive player is nuts.

Even then Isaac could be very well on the board and if you think he translates to a NBA stretch 4 with good defensive abilities is that not worth the chance.

Resistance · Post #38 » by **Resistance** » Wed May 17, 2017 12:25 pm

I will probably catch arrows from all directions on this idea.

MKG + #11 for #7

Spens1 · Post #39 » by **Spens1** » Wed May 17, 2017 12:26 pm

Anyway what about:

To Bulls:
Zach Lavine
7th Pick

To Timberwolves:
Jimmy Butler
16th Pick

Rubio/Dunn-Wiggins-Butler-16th pick-KAT

not a bad core

wablty · Post #40 » by **wablty** » Wed May 17, 2017 12:27 pm

Spens1 wrote:
wablty wrote:
Spens1 wrote:
be that as it may (no doubt Markannen's defense doesn't exist) you will have Dieng as a guy who can come in and do exactly that. KAT is by no means a bad defender also either. Maybe they would need to find a shot stopper and some perimeter defenders (which they need to do regardless) i don't think that prevents them from going with the best fit.

It's difficult to imagine Lauri being anything but a defensive travesty in the league. If he was an okay defender that could shoot like that, it'd be one thing. That's not the case though and MN doesn't have the personnel to cover up something like that. Collins would be a better pick.

Minnesota doesn't need more scorers. They need defenders. Wasting a mid lotto pick on a pure offensive player is nuts.

Even then Isaac could be very well on the board and if you think he translates to a NBA stretch 4 with good defensive abilities is that not worth the chance.

If Isaac is there at 7, he makes more sense from a "Fit" standpoint, but he just seems so far away from contributing. It's difficult to imagine he doesn't wind up playing 8 or 9 minutes a game and spending a bunch of time getting pep talks at the end of the bench under Thibs.