[Micheal Scotto]Celtics have spoken to Minnesota about # 7 pick

[jayjaysee]

Jae is only 27 starting next season and you have him under bargain contract for 3 years. So he'll be really good for 3 playoff runs. I don't doubt Gasol and Conley enough to value the Memphis pick as the wedge but it's really close imo. They'll still be fighting that 5th seed battle imo.

But if Isaac is there at 7. I'll send DSj or Monk out for Jae, Memphis pick and a Det or Mia 2nd. But not JI.


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[Klomp]

Crowder is a very good player, but he does not fit the time frame of the Wolves.

Huh? He'll be 27 to start the year, same age as both Rubio and Dieng.

It's impossible to win in this league with a roster filled with 21, 22 and 23 year olds. You need vets on the team too.

[snowman]

Crowder and 2019 Memphis 1st and their 2017 2nd back for the 7th.

[shrink]

Crowder is a very good player, but he does not fit the time frame of the Wolves. Most think that MIN will make the playoffs by adding the pick, $35 mil in free agency, a year of familiarity with Thibs system, and mostly, just player growth. Crowder makes them a better playoff team, but not competitive with GSW during the time frame of their core.

With all respect to Wolves' fans, and I do understand that position, but I think the Wolves have more immediate goals than "being competitive with GSW". It shouldn't be an all-or-nothing proposition.

I've gotten the impression that Taylor wants to make the playoffs *now*, and that Thibs is on the same train of thought. No guarantee that the #7 player is ever a contributor, let alone in year 1. And no reason they can't still spend that $35M on other players.

And like I said, most of the improvement should come simply from the growth of their young players.

I definitely do not think this is a situation where BOS could say, "if you don't trade for Jae Crowder, you won't make the playoffs!"

[shrink]

Crowder is a very good player, but he does not fit the time frame of the Wolves.

Huh? He'll be 27 to start the year, same age as both Rubio and Dieng.

It's impossible to win in this league with a roster filled with 21, 22 and 23 year olds. You need vets on the team too.

And it's possible to get those vets without trading lottery picks as well. Especially when you have multiple assets and $35 mil in cap space.

[loserX]

Crowder is a very good player, but he does not fit the time frame of the Wolves. Most think that MIN will make the playoffs by adding the pick, $35 mil in free agency, a year of familiarity with Thibs system, and mostly, just player growth. Crowder makes them a better playoff team, but not competitive with GSW during the time frame of their core.

With all respect to Wolves' fans, and I do understand that position, but I think the Wolves have more immediate goals than "being competitive with GSW". It shouldn't be an all-or-nothing proposition.

I've gotten the impression that Taylor wants to make the playoffs *now*, and that Thibs is on the same train of thought. No guarantee that the #7 player is ever a contributor, let alone in year 1. And no reason they can't still spend that $35M on other players.

And like I said, most of the improvement should come simply from the growth of their young players.

I definitely do not think this is a situation where BOS could say, "if you don't trade for Jae Crowder, you won't make the playoffs!"

And it's my opinion that you can help your young players grow by putting competent veterans around them. I think having Crowder at SF would be better for guys in the short-term like Lavine and Wiggins than having to spend a year breaking in Isaac, for instance. (Adding George Hill did wonders for the Jazz, and even as a rental I'm not sorry we acquired him over drafting Taurean Prince.)

Again, I respect the Wolves' fans who feel differently. But I think in most cases having an entire roster under 23 is a lot more appealing to fans than it is to coaches and owners.

[shrink]

Jae is only 27 starting next season and you have him under bargain contract for 3 years. So he'll be really good for 3 playoff runs. I don't doubt Gasol and Conley enough to value the Memphis pick as the wedge but it's really close imo. They'll still be fighting that 5th seed battle imo.

But if Isaac is there at 7. I'll send DSj or Monk out for Jae, Memphis pick and a Det or Mia 2nd. But not JI.

This is exactly how I feel. I like Jae Crowder and he's a talented player - a glue guy that would decrease the chance of them missing the playoffs. He's on a great contract, but not as good as the #7 on rookie scale, and it's additional years of control, so this also bites into MIN's cap space.

I don't think the offer is unfair, but the majority of wolves posters voted "no" because they prefer concentrating their forces for later. However, I like many have said, adding a lesser, win-later pick like MEM would flip me to the yes side, if Isaac is off the board.

[Klomp]

And it's possible to get those vets without trading lottery picks as well. Especially when you have multiple assets and $35 mil in cap space.

Not playoff-level starters locked into deal for at least 3 years and under $8 million/year. Good luck finding that anywhere else.

[shrink]

And it's possible to get those vets without trading lottery picks as well. Especially when you have multiple assets and $35 mil in cap space.

Not playoff-level starters locked into deal for at least 3 years and under $8 million/year. Good luck finding that anywhere else.

Who is "playoff level?" PJ Tucker?

And what role do we have for that playoff level starter too? Are we going to give him the ball and try to get 22 ppg, or are we looking for complimentary vets?

Crowder is one of the league's most talented and affordable complimentary vets. But the expensive free agents are the true stars and potential stars.

[Klomp]

And it's possible to get those vets without trading lottery picks as well. Especially when you have multiple assets and $35 mil in cap space.

Not playoff-level starters locked into deal for at least 3 years and under $8 million/year. Good luck finding that anywhere else.

Who is "playoff level?" PJ Tucker?

And what role do we have for that playoff level starter too? Are we going to give him the ball and try to get 22 ppg, or are we looking for complimentary vets?

Crowder is one of the league's most talented and affordable complimentary vets. But the expensive free agents are the true stars and potential stars.

Starters on a playoff team. Tucker won't sign anywhere for $8 million/year (more like double that) and he's five years older.

"the expensive free agents are the true stars and potential stars".....oh, you mean like Evan Turner, Allen Crabbe, Courtney Lee, Aaron Afflalo and Luol Deng? Those are guys who are worse than Crowder and being paid 2-3 times more than him.

[shrink]

Not playoff-level starters locked into deal for at least 3 years and under $8 million/year. Good luck finding that anywhere else.

Who is "playoff level?" PJ Tucker?

And what role do we have for that playoff level starter too? Are we going to give him the ball and try to get 22 ppg, or are we looking for complimentary vets?

Crowder is one of the league's most talented and affordable complimentary vets. But the expensive free agents are the true stars and potential stars.

Starters on a playoff team. Tucker won't sign anywhere for $8 million/year (more like double that) and he's five years older.

"the expensive free agents are the true stars and potential stars".....oh, you mean like Evan Turner, Allen Crabbe, Courtney Lee, Aaron Afflalo and Luol Deng? Those are guys who are worse than Crowder and being paid 2-3 times more than him.

Did you intentionally pick players from last year's free agency where everyone got overpaid?

It feels like you keep pushing the goal line back.

"You need Crowder because you need vets!"
But we can get vets with cap space

"I mean you need starter quality vets!
But you can get them for cap space too

"I mean you can't get them on a great contract!"
But that's not always true for glue guys

"I mean, look at how much people paid in last year's spend-fest!"

Again, I'm not saying I wouldn't like the guy. I'm saying that I (and most wolves posters) would not trade the 7 straight up. He isn't essential to the wolves making the playoffs. If BOS included a little more in a win-later asset, it would change my mind. Others said similar things in the Wolves forum.

[GopherIt!]

two of Issac, Tatum, DSJ or Monk will be there. draft one call of those kids and call it a day.

[Darren]

Jae Crowder certainly doesn't worth a lottery pick. Even if he plays bigger than his size, he's 6-5 to start with. He's solid rebounder and active defender for sure. But wait, he's not quick enough to guard the 2s. And he's not taller enough to guard the likes of Lebron, KD and so on. Even so, you want to give in the future for another DeMarr Carrol who's about to get a fat contract? Minny must be really foolish to do so.